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Best Team in The NL?

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The additions of Barrett and Bradley for next to nothing were pretty solid.. they dont have that vaunted 3-4-5 but they have a solid players top to bottom.

 

Very true, but we'll see how those 2 hold up in the clubhouse. Both have histories of being retards.

Its not as if the Padres have been blowing it up on the road as oppossed to at home. The numbers are better:

 

.300/.364/.664

v.

.320/.414/.737

 

But even if you gave them the away splits, they'd still have a middle of the pack team OPS for the majors.

Its not as if the Padres have been blowing it up on the road as oppossed to at home. The numbers are better:

 

.300/.364/.664

v.

.320/.414/.737

 

But even if you gave them the away splits, they'd still have a middle of the pack team OPS for the majors.

 

Not surprising, their lineup just isn't that good. PETCO doesn't help, but even in a neutral setting their offense isn't much to look at. I know Wells and Maddux have all that experience, but they are still really old, past their prime, and have ERA's over 4 pitching half their games at PETCO, and all of them in the NL. And Chris Young isn't Bob Gibson as his ERA says, God love him, but he isn't going to finish with a 1 point something ERA and make them lower the mound again.

Didn't the Pads almost get swept in Atlanta earlier in the year? I know they didn't do well against Arizona and split with the Marlins in their series in July and they got swept by Seattle in interleague...

Mets have Maine, Perez, Glavine(yuck), Pedro(hopeully) and maybe the greatest post season performer of all time in El Duque. We all know what El Duque is capable of doing so dont sht on the Metsrotation.

 

Off the top of my head, that honor has to go to Sandy Koufax.

 

Didn't the Pads almost get swept in Atlanta earlier in the year? I know they didn't do well against Arizona and split with the Marlins in their series in July and they got swept by Seattle in interleague...

 

The Mets have also not won a series with the Braves all season, got swept by the Phillies and Dodgers, did awful in interleague play with the exception of their series in Oakland, and just lost a series to the Padres. I'm not saying these things are particularly indicative. All I'm trying to point out is that you can cherry pick any team's series outcomes and come up with a couple of examples of poor performance.

 

As for my opinion, I think the Padres are the best team in the NL followed by the Mets and Dodgers (tied for 2nd) and Brewers and Cubs (tied for 3rd).

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

Meet the Mets, meet the Mets,

Step right up and greet the Mets.

Bring your kiddies, bring your wife,

Guaranteed to have the time of your life.

Because the Mets are really sockin' the ball,

Knockin' those home runs over the wall.

East side, West side, everybody's coming down,

To meet the M-E-T-S Mets, of New York town.

 

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the streets,

Where did they go? To MEET THE METS!

Oh, they?re hollerin? and cheerin? and they?re jumpin? in their seats,

Where did they go? To MEET THE METS!

All the fans are true to the orange and blue,

So hurry up and come on down -

?cause we?ve got ourselves a ball club,

The Mets of New York town!

 

Give ?em a yell! Give ?em a hand!

And let ?em know your rootin? in the stands!

Come on and...

 

Meet the Mets, meet the Mets,

Step right up and greet the Mets.

Bring your kiddies, bring your wife,

Guaranteed to have the time of your life.

Because the Mets are really sockin' the ball,

Knockin' those homeruns over the wall.

East side, West side, everybody's coming down,

To meet the M-E-T-S Mets,

Of New York town,

Of New York town.

 

1984 Version:

 

Meet the Mets, meet the Mets,

Head for the park and greet the Mets.

Hot dogs, green grass all out at Shea,

Guaranteed to have a heck of a day.

Because those Mets are really rockin' that ball,

Hittin' those home runs over the wall.

Long Island, New Jersey, Brooklyn, Queens, Uptown and Down,

Let's Go Mets: that's the cheer all over New York town.

 

 

Obviously, I would have to say the Padres. :D

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

I don't think anyone's questioning the Mets, I think many are saying that their lineup isn't good enough to just buzzsaw teams and their rotation isn't even on par with the Padres and is lucky to be a coinflip with the Braves or Dodgers.

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

I don't think anyone's questioning the Mets, I think many are saying that their lineup isn't good enough to just buzzsaw teams and their rotation isn't even on par with the Padres and is lucky to be a coinflip with the Braves or Dodgers.

 

We hit the Peavy good. We couldnt hit Fatass and Oldie for some odd reason. Ever since Hojo became hitting coach, the offense has been solid.

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

I don't think anyone's questioning the Mets, I think many are saying that their lineup isn't good enough to just buzzsaw teams and their rotation isn't even on par with the Padres and is lucky to be a coinflip with the Braves or Dodgers.

 

 

T, I was responding specifically to this post:

 

The Cubs or Dodgers....the pieces are there for them. good lineup, good rotation, good enough bullpen.

 

Can't be SD with that lineup

Can't be the Mets with that rotation

Can't be the Braves with that bullpen

 

 

I wasn't arguing about who was and wasn't the best team, just that if you're going to mention the Mets' weakness, mention the right one.

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

The Mets rotation is overperforming expectations so much that I simply don't see any way they could keep it up. Perez and Maine simply aren't that good. Period.

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

The Mets rotation is overperforming expectations so much that I simply don't see any way they could keep it up. Perez and Maine simply aren't that good. Period.

 

How can you say Perez isnt that good?

 

Year 2004.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5192

 

He already had great success, Rick Peterson is just a great pitching coach and knows what to do. Maine has been on a slide recently, back 2 back bad starts but the defense has betrayed him as well so I cant fully blame him.

Yeah, Perez has always had great stuff. I don't think he should be discounted just because he may have finally turned that ability in to big time results.

 

Plus, you are almost doomed to suck when you're with Pittsburgh anyways.

I LOL at Perez and Maine being the best lefty/righty combo in the league.

 

Wang+Pettitte

Sabathia+Carmona

Buerhle+Vazquez

Rich Hill+Zambrano

Peavy+Wells

 

All better

All these people questioning the Mets rotation has me rolling, it is BY FAR the strength of the team.

 

Maine and Perez could be the best left/righty combo in the NL. Seriously, they are having amazing years and are pitching so much better than could have been hoped.

El Duque is having just as good of a season, and is lights out in the playoffs.

 

That gives a choice of two seasoned and proven playoff pitchers to use as the 4th man in playoff rotation.

 

 

Out biggest weakness however is BY FAR our offense this year. Putrid, they can't put a team away any more. Delgado is sh*t (though he is coming on) and Beltran is frustrating beyond belief. Then throw in all the injuries, this offense has been incredibly disappointing.

 

Just funny how far the perception of this team is away from reality.

 

I don't think anyone's questioning the Mets, I think many are saying that their lineup isn't good enough to just buzzsaw teams and their rotation isn't even on par with the Padres and is lucky to be a coinflip with the Braves or Dodgers.

 

We hit the Peavy good. We couldnt hit Fatass and Oldie for some odd reason. Ever since Hojo became hitting coach, the offense has been solid.

3 runs in six innings is hitting a pitcher good? Thats still a QS for Peavy. Call it what you want, but really there arn't many teams that are hitting the padres good in general. Mets pitching has turned it around for what their offense can't do.

 

Well any way, if the padres can trade for that one huge bat to protect Adrian, it's by far the padres, all they really need is to put sum non 0 numeber on the board and they can work with it.

 

Dodgers have the offence on Paper but it's not producing.

 

The Braves having everything down on paper themselves but for some reason can't get the wins.

 

Cubs are finally doing what they should have been doing, but their offense still needs to produce more and Lee needs to start hitting more out of the park. They can do more.

 

Brewers are pretty mixed, I am not in love with their offence, but Braun, Fielder, and Hardy are making an impact, even without a legit leadoff hitter.

Can't be SD with that lineup

All they need is the big bat to protect Adrian. Besides, pitching wins games, it's why they are at the top of their division

 

Can't be the Mets with that rotation

Is this a joke?

 

Can't be the Braves with that bullpen

Wickman, Soriano, Yates, and Moylan seem to be doing a fine job.

Where exactly is that big bat to protect Adrian going to come from?

 

Also, lets not act as if Adrian Gonzalez is some stud that can carry an entire offense in the post season for a couple of games or is the type of hitter that makes those around him better. He's got a 118 OPS+.

I LOL at Perez and Maine being the best lefty/righty combo in the league.

 

Wang+Pettitte

Sabathia+Carmona

Buerhle+Vazquez

Rich Hill+Zambrano

Peavy+Wells

 

All better

 

I wasn't even going to bother responding since you can't bother reading my post. I said NL, that eliminates your first 3 pairs. If we're talking about who's the best team in the NL, why would I even consider AL teams? For farts and giggles?

 

Let's start with Peavy and Wells. Peavy is a great pitcher, David Wells has an ERA of almost 5 and a WHIP of almost 1.5. You have to be joking me.

 

Hill and Zambrano are good, but their stats in terms of WHIP and ERA are just a bit higher than Maine and Perez.

The Mets rotation is overperforming expectations so much that I simply don't see any way they could keep it up. Perez and Maine simply aren't that good. Period.

 

Yes, because it's inconceivable for two young pitchers to actually improve and learn how to pitch.

The Mets rotation is overperforming expectations so much that I simply don't see any way they could keep it up. Perez and Maine simply aren't that good. Period.

 

Yes, because it's inconceivable for two young pitchers to actually improve and learn how to pitch.

 

You are fully allowed to believe John Maine is a 3-ERA pitcher. Based almost solely on the fact that he strikes out 7.5 per 9, walks 3 per nine, his hit rate of 7.5 is almost entirely unsustainable, and should rise pretty soon. Once those hits start dropping, he's going to see his ERA rise dramatically.

Where exactly is that big bat to protect Adrian going to come from?

 

Also, lets not act as if Adrian Gonzalez is some stud that can carry an entire offense in the post season for a couple of games or is the type of hitter that makes those around him better. He's got a 118 OPS+.

:lol Wow, last time I speak before I think, I assumed the Padres' hitter's had some better stats then what I just saw, last I checked Adrian was hitting around 300, I can't beleive it took him just a month to completly suck. :banghead

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