July 23, 200718 yr with han-ram out tonight and possibly for the foreseeable future (fingers crossed), i think it's the perfect time to shake up the lineup a bit. i'm aware the marlins have scored 10 runs 3 straight games but i think we all agree that uggla is sorely misplaced in the lineup and something needs to be done to change this team's all or nothing production. What about: alfredo hermida miggy jake uggla hammer ross cf treanor (he deserves it and dontrelle could use a change) dontrelle thoughts??
July 23, 200718 yr So Uggla goes 11 for 20 with two homers and 7 RBI in the last four games and you want to move him now. If they didn't move him when he was in a 2 for 19 slump they aren't about to do it now.
July 23, 200718 yr Author i know they're not going to move him and fredi isn't gonna change but i think that lineup would be very interesting to actually see.
July 23, 200718 yr So Uggla goes 11 for 20 with two homers and 7 RBI in the last four games and you want to move him now. If they didn't move him when he was in a 2 for 19 slump they aren't about to do it now. I still don't understand why people think that going lower in the order constitutes a demotion. This isn't little league where it's 1-4 and then everyone else.
July 23, 200718 yr So Uggla goes 11 for 20 with two homers and 7 RBI in the last four games and you want to move him now. If they didn't move him when he was in a 2 for 19 slump they aren't about to do it now. I still don't understand why people think that going lower in the order constitutes a demotion. This isn't little league where it's 1-4 and then everyone else. Right, if he's moved down in the order, that gives him more guys to hit in while he's on his hot streak. I see no problem with it.
July 23, 200718 yr Author yes, i totally agree. uggla is a drive in runs guy, not a get on base guy. he doesn't make frequent contact, but when he does connect, he usually hits the ball really hard and ends up with an extra base hit. his ability screams get me out of the 2 spot.
July 23, 200718 yr Don't know about Uggla, but Treanor should definitely catch Willis to see if it helps him at all.
July 23, 200718 yr Arizona is not Cinci, but we've scored 30 runs in the last 3 games. So why make any changes now? I'd only have Treanor in today instead of Olivo to see if Dontrelle can go more than 6 innings and give up less than 10 hits.
July 23, 200718 yr with han-ram out tonight and possibly for the foreseeable future (fingers crossed), i think it's the perfect time to shake up the lineup a bit. i'm aware the marlins have scored 10 runs 3 straight games but i think we all agree that uggla is sorely misplaced in the lineup and something needs to be done to change this team's all or nothing production. What about: alfredo hermida miggy jake uggla hammer ross cf treanor (he deserves it and dontrelle could use a change) dontrelle thoughts?? Love the Line-up. Uggla hitting 5th should give him more chances to bring in runs.
July 23, 200718 yr Oh, and Uggla's not a 5-hole hitter. Willingham is a 5-hole hitter. The 5 hole leads off more innings than any other spot outside of leadoff. Since Willingham's a unique player whose OBP skills are equal to if not better (relatively speaking) his slugging skills, that's the perfect 5 hole hitter. If you wanted to get really creative and put together the super-stat lineup these are the machinations you'd get: Ramirez Hermida Cabrera Uggla Willingham Jacobs Amezaga Olivo P OR Willingham Ramirez Cabrera Uggla Hermida Jacobs Amezaga Olivo OR Willingham Hermida Hanley Cabrera Jacobs Uggla Amezaga Olivo P I think those could be a lot of fun...personally, I'd just bat Hermida 2nd, Uggla 6th.
July 23, 200718 yr Willingham leading off is a joke. Uh, why? He's a superior walk-guy to Hanley, and Hanley's a superior slugger (statistically speaking). The "speed" perception is getting greatly overrated.
July 23, 200718 yr Author yeah, i really don't know about willingham leading off. either hanley should, or if he's hurt alfredo should in his place. i've seen you say before that the 5 hole leads off more innings than any other spot outside of leadoff -- why is this, and how did you figure it out? with hammer 5th, my revised lineup for tonight would be : alfredo hermida miggy jake hammer uggla cody treanor dontrelle and in the future: hanley alfredo miggy jake hammer uggla hermida treanor p
July 23, 200718 yr yeah, i really don't know about willingham leading off. either hanley should, or if he's hurt alfredo should in his place. i've seen you say before that the 5 hole leads off more innings than any other spot outside of leadoff -- why is this, and how did you figure it out? It's just one of those fun overly publicized stats like "a leadoff walk scores 82% of the time." It's not all that unbelievable either, when you think about it, generally your best hitter hits 3rd, meaning more times than not your 4 hole hitter gets up. The 4 hole isn't usually associated with speed, or high-quality contact, it's the prototypical slugger. Hence a high strikeout or DP probability. So, there's your 5 hole hitter coming up to lead off the next inning.
July 23, 200718 yr Author yeah, i really don't know about willingham leading off. either hanley should, or if he's hurt alfredo should in his place. i've seen you say before that the 5 hole leads off more innings than any other spot outside of leadoff -- why is this, and how did you figure it out? It's just one of those fun overly publicized stats like "a leadoff walk scores 82% of the time." It's not all that unbelievable either, when you think about it, generally your best hitter hits 3rd, meaning more times than not your 4 hole hitter gets up. The 4 hole isn't usually associated with speed, or high-quality contact, it's the prototypical slugger. Hence a high strikeout or DP probability. So, there's your 5 hole hitter coming up to lead off the next inning. very interesting, thanks for the info
July 23, 200718 yr For such a powerful line-up like ours is (2-4) we don't need a speedy guy leading off. More often then not he can jog home on a ball hit into the gap, down the RF line or over the fence.
July 23, 200718 yr Author For such a powerful line-up like ours is (2-4) we don't need a speedy guy leading off. More often then not he can jog home on a ball hit into the gap, down the RF line or over the fence. yeah, that's true. this is an intriguing idea. no chance fredi would ever try it though. he won't even have the catcher hit 8th. alfredo will be hitting .320 and still 8th because "he turns the lineup over"
July 23, 200718 yr what do you guys think about putting uggla in the cleanup spot? I dont really know what to expect with him there but it would be interesting. :mis2
July 23, 200718 yr there is no reason imo to have Olivo catch Willis tonight. .333/.370/.536 I think that's a pretty good reason for Olivo to be in the lineup tonight... and no that isn't Willis' baa, obpa, and slga when Olivo catches him :thumbup
July 23, 200718 yr Willingham leading off is a joke. Uh, why? He's a superior walk-guy to Hanley, and Hanley's a superior slugger (statistically speaking). The "speed" perception is getting greatly overrated. Not only that, but while Hammer ain't the fleetest of foot, he graduated from the Jeff Conine School of Baserunning (with honors)
July 23, 200718 yr yeah, i really don't know about willingham leading off. either hanley should, or if he's hurt alfredo should in his place. i've seen you say before that the 5 hole leads off more innings than any other spot outside of leadoff -- why is this, and how did you figure it out? It's just one of those fun overly publicized stats like "a leadoff walk scores 82% of the time." It's not all that unbelievable either, when you think about it, generally your best hitter hits 3rd, meaning more times than not your 4 hole hitter gets up. The 4 hole isn't usually associated with speed, or high-quality contact, it's the prototypical slugger. Hence a high strikeout or DP probability. So, there's your 5 hole hitter coming up to lead off the next inning. CONCLUSION: A leadoff batter who walks does NOT "always score"; the walk has the same effect as the other ways to reach first base. Reach Score Freq 1B 183468 72841 .397 2B 48364 30961 .640 3B 6573 5753 .875 HR 27205 27205 1.000 BB 82637 33002 .399 HP 6217 2543 .409 INT 81 22 .272 E 12105 5298 .438 http://www.diamond-mind.com/newsletter/en021213.htm Also, the player to lead off the most innings aside from the leadoff batter is the 4 hole but not by any significant value over the 5th or even the bottom of the lineup. The only one that leading off really affects is the first batter as he has a 100 % chance to lead off at least once a game, which is usually 20-25% of the time.
July 23, 200718 yr there is no reason imo to have Olivo catch Willis tonight. .333/.370/.536 I think that's a pretty good reason for Olivo to be in the lineup tonight... and no that isn't Willis' baa, obpa, and slga when Olivo catches him :thumbup :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Thank You Ramp :wub:
July 23, 200718 yr It doesn't matter how well Olivo hits if Dontrelle struggles and gives up a ton of runs. They should at least put Treanor in there to try and see if it will help Willis because right now nothing else is.
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