You may be in for a surprise.

 

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Going back to 2001, DS has never ranked over 100 in HR factor. Only once has it been above 100 in doubles. This year, HR factor is at 107 and doubles factor is at 110.

 

DS is playing at overall Runs Factor not seen since 1993, '94, '95.

 

Any theories?

You may be in for a surprise.

 

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Going back to 2001, DS has never ranked over 100 in HR factor. Only once has it been above 100 in doubles. This year, HR factor is at 107 and doubles factor is at 110.

 

DS is playing at overall Runs Factor not seen since 1993, '94, '95.

 

Any theories?

our pitching sucks and our hitters hit for power...as opposed to the days where we won with more frequency where our pitching rocked and we concentrated on small ball and contact hitting

Thoughts? Stats lie.

Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, Scott Olsen, Dontrelle Willis, Jorge Julio, Armando Benitez, Renyel Pinto.

Thoughts? Stats lie.

 

I don't know how these stats can lie but keep living in your batting average bubble. :thumbup

For the first time in a long time, the division is built solely around offense.

 

Our team pitching, especially starting pitching, is poor. Our outfield defense is also poor, and our pitcher's problems are exacerbated by that coupled with the cavernous outfield (since we're comprised almost exclusively of fly-ball pitchers). I think this is reinforced by Mitre's success relative to the rest of the staff.

 

I don't think it's all that surprising that Pro Player is considered a neutral or even hitter friendly ballpark. 330 down the line in left is pretty generous for righties, and outside of right-center being abusive to lefties and the bermuda triangle, it isn't just completely unfair like the Astrodome once was. That, and 27 games against the Phillies, Mets and Braves will boost your runs against total.

Thoughts? Stats lie.

 

I don't know how these stats can lie but keep living in your batting average bubble. :thumbup

 

 

umm..lets see if you will actually answer these questions this time when you spout something that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

1. What the hell does batting average have to do with it?

 

2. Stats lie in this case because the stats presented in your link say that we are a top 10 hitting friendly park in MLB (and more of a hitters park than Great American), this is quite obviously not the case and I think most people would realize that was what I meant and would agree that Joe Robbie is an extreme pitcher's park.

 

These stats "lie".

Thoughts? Stats lie.

 

I don't know how these stats can lie but keep living in your batting average bubble. :thumbup

 

 

umm..lets see if you will actually answer these questions this time when you spout something that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

1. What the hell does batting average have to do with it?

 

2. Stats lie in this case because the stats presented in your link say that we are a top 10 hitting friendly park in MLB (and more of a hitters park than Great American), this is quite obviously not the case and I think most people would realize that was what I meant and would agree that Joe Robbie is an extreme pitcher's park.

 

These stats "lie".

 

1) Your post is ignorant. All we need now is someone to say "LOL stat geeks."

 

2) (a) STATS DON'T LIE. Stats tell a non-biased story, it's how you interpret the numbers that become lies.

 

(b) Park Factors is a universally accepted statistic to measure how a park plays.

 

? Dolphin Stadium since 1996 (before '96 it favored hitters slightly) has been one of the better pitcher's parks in the league. But for some reason this season it is playing like a hitter's park.

 

(d) The various ratings on a park can flactuate from year to year. A park will not play the same every year. Some years it will allow more home runs, some years it will allow fewer.

 

(e) GAB is still a better home run park than DS. Due to it's small dimensions allows fewer doubles and triples.

 

(f) Dolphin Stadium due to its fast track, Teal Monster, and Bermuda Triangle and extreme right center field allows a lot more doubles and triples, thus why it is allowing more runs than GAB and the Cit.

 

(g) As I discussed with TSwift a few months ago, the measurements at Dolphin Stadium are wrong. LF is actually 327, not 330. RF is actually 347 not 345. The rightfield gap is not 385 but 361. The 385 marker was 40 feet toward center a few years ago. In 2005, the marker was placed where the power alley should be marked 40 feet closer to the foul pole, it was marked at 363. Sometime between 2005 and 2006 when the walls were repadded someone made an error and incorrectly placed the 385 marker 40 feet to the right instead of at its original position. If you want photographic proof I have it.

 

(h) The only thing keeping Dolphin Stadium from being a nasty hitter's park is the humidity, Teal Monster and centerfield. The power alleys are the shortest in baseball distance wise by 5 or 6 feet. Look for yourself Other than that, all the ingredients are there: fast track, short alleys, small foul territory, and the heat.

Wow. Ok, here is the deal. I don't think anybody is a stat geek, I love plenty of the advanced stats and use them all time. So get that out of your head.

 

But some stats do lie, in that they are deceiving and do not equate to mean what people are to assume that they mean. These stats lie because if somebody read them solely based on that report they would say "wow! Joe Robbie is a hitter friendly ballpark.!" It is not and it is ignorant to say otherwise based on stats.

 

Stats can't prove everything. This is a less than one year sample and even you mention that in the past 5-6 years the stats said other wise. It has nothing to do with the ballpark, it is to do with us playing horrible at home and the fast grass exposing our below average range factor defense.

 

(h) The only thing keeping Dolphin Stadium from being a nasty hitter's park is the humidity, Teal Monster and centerfield. The power alleys are the shortest in baseball distance wise by 5 or 6 feet. Look for yourself Other than that, all the ingredients are there: fast track, short alleys, small foul territory, and the heat.

 

 

Those three things exist and are much more of a factor as to why we are a pitching friendly park than any of the other factors you mentioned. This really isn't even an argument, and I am worried that I might be arguing against a misunderstanding. I find it hard to believe that anyone would call Joe Robbie a hitter friendly park.

It may very well go back to playing like a pitcher's park.

 

As I said above, this year it's playing like a hitter's park. This year it's playing more hitter friendly than Citizens Bank Park. This year the stats indicate it's a hitters park.

 

This year Dolphin Stadium is a hitter's park. Click the link again and it clearly says the park factors are for the 2007 season.

 

That last point was made to dispell the 'OMG there is a lot of space in the outfield at DS' myth. Climate and a huge wall have more to do with why DS is what it is than do dimensions and space in the OF.

It may very well go back to playing like a pitcher's park.

 

As I said above, this year it's playing like a hitter's park. This year it's playing more hitter friendly than Citizens Bank Park. This year the stats indicate it's a hitters park.

 

This year Dolphin Stadium is a hitter's park. Click the link again and it clearly says the park factors are for the 2007 season.

 

That last point was made to dispell the 'OMG there is a lot of space in the outfield at DS' myth. Climate and a huge wall have more to do with why DS is what it is than do dimensions and space in the OF.

 

 

Yea it plays like a hitter's park this year because of the reasons mentioned in this thread and has nothing to do with the park and that stat is called "park factors" which is why it lies.

 

The actual park has very little to do with why we rank so high this year. If it was called the "horrible home team who has no range on defense playing at a park with a fast field with a team full of streaky, all or nothing power hitters with a poor pitching staff stat" yea...good stat.

A couple of months ago, Hutton mentioned that he thought the stadium construction might be affecting the way the ball carries at JRS. He speculated that enclosing the outside of the stadium changed the air currents and wind through the stadium and the ball is carrying better.

A couple of months ago, Hutton mentioned that he thought the stadium construction might be affecting the way the ball carries at JRS. He speculated that enclosing the outside of the stadium changed the air currents and wind through the stadium and the ball is carrying better.

 

 

I totally agree with this theory. It just makes too much sense to overlook it. You couple in how bad our defense has been this year and you have the answer. But the biggest thing has got to be the new configuration of the stadium itself. And next year there will be more construction going on.

 

BTW The place is beautiful. Go in Gate G and check out that area. Go up to the 200 level and check that out. More room on the 100 level. Huizenga took our $60 mil, added in about $140 mil of his own, and really turned that stadium into something to be proud of. For Dolfans anyway. By the time the next Super Bowl is played here again it will be absolutely georgous. Great job.

It may very well go back to playing like a pitcher's park.

 

As I said above, this year it's playing like a hitter's park. This year it's playing more hitter friendly than Citizens Bank Park. This year the stats indicate it's a hitters park.

 

This year Dolphin Stadium is a hitter's park. Click the link again and it clearly says the park factors are for the 2007 season.

 

That last point was made to dispell the 'OMG there is a lot of space in the outfield at DS' myth. Climate and a huge wall have more to do with why DS is what it is than do dimensions and space in the OF.

 

 

Yea it plays like a hitter's park this year because of the reasons mentioned in this thread and has nothing to do with the park and that stat is called "park factors" which is why it lies.

 

The actual park has very little to do with why we rank so high this year. If it was called the "horrible home team who has no range on defense playing at a park with a fast field with a team full of streaky, all or nothing power hitters with a poor pitching staff stat" yea...good stat.

 

Isn't defense a factor of the park? Isn't the fast track and high wall part of the actual park? Don't those factors skew certain totals one way or another?

 

Look, I'm not saying Park Factor isn't affected by the type of team put on the field. Because it is. I'm just saying DS is playing like a hitters park this year. That's what I said in the first post and you came out with a 'stats lie.'

 

Park factor compares how a park reduces/increases scoring based on what is done on the road.

abberration.

 

 

you cant call a park a better hitter's park over one year's of stats.

 

 

 

citizen's bank park is still the better hitter's park over their histories.

It may very well go back to playing like a pitcher's park.

 

As I said above, this year it's playing like a hitter's park. This year it's playing more hitter friendly than Citizens Bank Park. This year the stats indicate it's a hitters park.

 

This year Dolphin Stadium is a hitter's park. Click the link again and it clearly says the park factors are for the 2007 season.

 

That last point was made to dispell the 'OMG there is a lot of space in the outfield at DS' myth. Climate and a huge wall have more to do with why DS is what it is than do dimensions and space in the OF.

 

 

Yea it plays like a hitter's park this year because of the reasons mentioned in this thread and has nothing to do with the park and that stat is called "park factors" which is why it lies.

 

The actual park has very little to do with why we rank so high this year. If it was called the "horrible home team who has no range on defense playing at a park with a fast field with a team full of streaky, all or nothing power hitters with a poor pitching staff stat" yea...good stat.

 

Isn't defense a factor of the park? Isn't the fast track and high wall part of the actual park? Don't those factors skew certain totals one way or another?

 

Look, I'm not saying Park Factor isn't affected by the type of team put on the field. Because it is. I'm just saying DS is playing like a hitters park this year. That's what I said in the first post and you came out with a 'stats lie.'

 

Park factor compares how a park reduces/increases scoring based on what is done on the road.

 

 

Would you call Brady Anderson a great home run hitter? No. If I posted just his 1996 line you would say he is a great power hitter though.

 

But because of so many outside factors that influenced that one great year, you could say that in that case the stats are "lying" because they are such a deviation on what he has done in his career previous to that point. But the stats are "correct" that year, obviously. Same with Joe Robbie.

 

That's all I am trying to say. And yes the speed of the tract makes a difference but if you have fielders with range, it won't make as BIG of a difference as it is making this year.

abberration.

 

 

you cant call a park a better hitter's park over one year's of stats.

 

 

 

citizen's bank park is still the better hitter's park over their histories.

 

 

Ok and as I've said in all my posts prior, next year DS may well go back to being a pitchers park. But THIS YEAR so far, DS is the better hitters park.

What happened to that thing they said about closing off with that construction out in left field. Something about there is no wind coming in, and that its mainly being pushed out to left or something like that.

the team has a bad home record... our offense has a bad home offense AND our pitching is bad at home

 

we give up a lot or runs and don't score em at home, yet hit a lot on the road for some reason

You may be in for a surprise.

 

Link

 

Going back to 2001, DS has never ranked over 100 in HR factor. Only once has it been above 100 in doubles. This year, HR factor is at 107 and doubles factor is at 110.

 

DS is playing at overall Runs Factor not seen since 1993, '94, '95.

 

Any theories?

I have a theory. Hanley Ramirez!

It may very well go back to playing like a pitcher's park.

 

As I said above, this year it's playing like a hitter's park. This year it's playing more hitter friendly than Citizens Bank Park. This year the stats indicate it's a hitters park.

 

This year Dolphin Stadium is a hitter's park. Click the link again and it clearly says the park factors are for the 2007 season.

 

That last point was made to dispell the 'OMG there is a lot of space in the outfield at DS' myth. Climate and a huge wall have more to do with why DS is what it is than do dimensions and space in the OF.

 

 

Yea it plays like a hitter's park this year because of the reasons mentioned in this thread and has nothing to do with the park and that stat is called "park factors" which is why it lies.

 

The actual park has very little to do with why we rank so high this year. If it was called the "horrible home team who has no range on defense playing at a park with a fast field with a team full of streaky, all or nothing power hitters with a poor pitching staff stat" yea...good stat.

 

Isn't defense a factor of the park? Isn't the fast track and high wall part of the actual park? Don't those factors skew certain totals one way or another?

 

Look, I'm not saying Park Factor isn't affected by the type of team put on the field. Because it is. I'm just saying DS is playing like a hitters park this year. That's what I said in the first post and you came out with a 'stats lie.'

 

Park factor compares how a park reduces/increases scoring based on what is done on the road.

 

 

Would you call Brady Anderson a great home run hitter? No. If I posted just his 1996 line you would say he is a great power hitter though.

 

But because of so many outside factors that influenced that one great year, you could say that in that case the stats are "lying" because they are such a deviation on what he has done in his career previous to that point. But the stats are "correct" that year, obviously. Same with Joe Robbie.

 

That's all I am trying to say. And yes the speed of the tract makes a difference but if you have fielders with range, it won't make as BIG of a difference as it is making this year.

 

I don't necessarily think the Brady Anderson point, as you make it, is an apt analogy. As I understand it, Festa isn't arguing that Dolphins Stadium is definitively a better hitters park in general. He's saying that it's a better hitters park in 2007. Maybe the thread title is misleading. If you want to apply his reasoning to Brady Anderson, the analogous argument would be: "Brady Anderson was a great homerun hitter in 1996." I'd say that based on his 1996 performance you can make that argument.

 

Defense can definitely alter park effects numbers. Certain teams tend to have above average home run factors, but below average factors for doubles an triples. That can partly be explained by stadium construction, but how much range your outfielders cover can be an equally influential factor. I don't think that park effects, as calculated, denies this impact, but I do understand your point. The term Park Effects implies that it's purely determined by the layout of the stadium.

 

As for the point that our power hitting team is the reason, park effects shouldn't be affected that much by having a better offensive team. Park effects measures your team's offensive production at home compared to on the road. Presumably, a good hitting team won't hit well in what many routinely consider a pitcher's park (DS) and then hit worse in more hitter friendly or neutral stadiums; that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The problem is the wording.

 

You can't say "DS is a hitter's park this year" because how DS itself plays out will not change from year to year. DS is DS is DS, is DS. None of this changes. The reasoning for the increase in PF has to do with factors outside of the Park itself.

 

"Numbers being put up are high as if DS was a hitter's park", or something similiar, where there is suggestion that DS is not a hitter's park but there are an extremely high amount of runs being scored, would be better wording imo.

What happened to that thing they said about closing off with that construction out in left field. Something about there is no wind coming in, and that its mainly being pushed out to left or something like that.

 

Watch the flags when/if you go to a game. It looks to me like the wind is swirling more than it ever used to. The 200 level has always been closed in. It was just expanded. But the 100 level has been semi enclosed and expanded. Next year when they do the "end zone" areas I would be willing to bet we see even more of a difference.

I still consider Joe Robbie a pitcher friendly park. But I do like the improvements alot. May even have to make the trek up to the 400 level just to see what it is like now.