Here we go again!Bottom of the 9th,no outs and a man in second.Any logical person would have Treanor take his swings,especially with the way he's been hitting but no,Fredi the retard decides once again to just give away an out to the Giants by having Treanor bunt.Then there came the double play to end the game.When does this stupid crap end??? :banghead

A good manager would have tackled the second baseman to prevent that double play -_-

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

A good manager would have tackled the second baseman to prevent that double play -_-

I think it's the second time this week that he's done the same thing,although last time I think it was even worse since there was already one out.It does not make sense at all.

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

 

It's not about the ending,it's about the fact that by giving away an out like he did,the ending was possible.Worst case scenario,they still got the double play and we still have aman in first with two outs instead of an inning ending DP.

I don't have a problem with the bunt, especially when you have a good contact guy in Amezaga up next. Amezaga ripped the ball, what can you do? Hermida got caught, he made a mistake. Fredi wasn't running the bases.

He still did not need to just give away an out.There was no need for it.With Treanor batting these days you have a good chance at getting a hit.I just don't like that kind of game philosophy.If it was the pitcher,go for it but you don't do that with a regular player who's actually hitting.

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

 

It's not about the ending,it's about the fact that by giving away an out like he did,the ending was possible.Worst case scenario,they still got the double play and we still have aman in first with two outs instead of an inning ending DP.

 

So you knew Matt Treanor was going to get a hit there? Well then, by all means the bunt was stupid. I guess there's no question that Matt Treanor was absolutely going to get a hit there, and that Hermida would have scored on that hit. I guess Treanor's 0-2 up to that point was the clear determinate in suggesting he was going to get a hit. Was Fredi also supposed to know that Cabrera was gonna take an 0-fer tonight? Come on dude, Fredi obviously isn't the best and is still learning, but to blame it solely on him is ludicrous.

i don't blame gonzalez for the way the game ended, but the fact that he is a GOD-AWFUL manager was pretty obvious tonight.

 

i'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but pinch running dan uggla in the 8th inning of a 1 run game when the bottom-half of the order is due up in the 9th? seriously? pinch running a guy with 23 home runs? when one swing of the bat can tie up the ballgame? brilliant, just brilliant.

 

gonzalez is an absolutely terrible manager and the only reason he has and will continue to hold the post is because he's a willing puppet for the front office.

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

 

It's not about the ending,it's about the fact that by giving away an out like he did,the ending was possible.Worst case scenario,they still got the double play and we still have aman in first with two outs instead of an inning ending DP.

 

So you knew Matt Treanor was going to get a hit there? Well then, by all means the bunt was stupid. I guess there's no question that Matt Treanor was absolutely going to get a hit there, and that Hermida would have scored on that hit. I guess Treanor's 0-2 up to that point was the clear determinate in suggesting he was going to get a hit. Was Fredi also supposed to know that Cabrera was gonna take an 0-fer tonight? Come on dude, Fredi obviously isn't the best and is still learning, but to blame it solely on him is ludicrous.

And at the same time,no one could know that Treanor was NOT going to get a hit a hit in that situation.And I don't know what Cabrera has to do with this discussion.

i don't blame gonzalez for the way the game ended, but the fact that he is a GOD-AWFUL manager was pretty obvious tonight.

 

i'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but pinch running dan uggla in the 8th inning of a 1 run game when the bottom-half of the order is due up in the 9th? seriously? pinch running a guy with 23 home runs? when one swing of the bat can tie up the ballgame? brilliant, just brilliant.

 

gonzalez is an absolutely terrible manager and the only reason he has and will continue to hold the post is because he's a willing puppet for the front office.

 

yeah, i thought that was pretty bad right away. fredi's not so great, but he's also not going away for a very long time. i'm one of his biggest bashers but my intense dislike has waned during the course of the long, injury-plagued season. and with all the problems we've had this year, maybe he's trying to do too much now. i think he'll improve and be better next year and then again in 2009. that would be his make or break year unless we are just awful next year. but i still think fredi's got a little bit of idiot in him and i'd like to see him get a better bench coach than tosca and the importance of perry hill's return to the team is beyond words. but i think the perfect epitome of fredi's first year, and it made me laugh hysterically, was when he ran into the glass window in new york and he said the glass isn't that shiny in albuquerque.

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

 

It's not about the ending,it's about the fact that by giving away an out like he did,the ending was possible.Worst case scenario,they still got the double play and we still have aman in first with two outs instead of an inning ending DP.

 

So you knew Matt Treanor was going to get a hit there? Well then, by all means the bunt was stupid. I guess there's no question that Matt Treanor was absolutely going to get a hit there, and that Hermida would have scored on that hit. I guess Treanor's 0-2 up to that point was the clear determinate in suggesting he was going to get a hit. Was Fredi also supposed to know that Cabrera was gonna take an 0-fer tonight? Come on dude, Fredi obviously isn't the best and is still learning, but to blame it solely on him is ludicrous.

And at the same time,no one could know that Treanor was NOT going to get a hit a hit in that situation.And I don't know what Cabrera has to do with this discussion.

 

ok, but he was a lot more likely to not get a hit. that's the percentages. i love treanor and the vote for treanor sticker. but he's isn't any star. the reason why we disagree is that i would've bunted in that situation with anybody except for miggy, hanley, and hammer (but uggla or jacobs probably wouldn't be able to anyway). and i'm guessing since you're not in favor of giving away the out, you would have let just about anybody swing away. in that situation, i want the tying run on 3rd with 1 out, definitely.

preface: i hate fredi.

 

and, fredi cannot be blamed one bit for that ending. regardless, it's still matt treanor and if you have a shot at a guy on 3rd with 1 out, you take it.

 

not fredi's fault.

 

It's not about the ending,it's about the fact that by giving away an out like he did,the ending was possible.Worst case scenario,they still got the double play and we still have aman in first with two outs instead of an inning ending DP.

 

So you knew Matt Treanor was going to get a hit there? Well then, by all means the bunt was stupid. I guess there's no question that Matt Treanor was absolutely going to get a hit there, and that Hermida would have scored on that hit. I guess Treanor's 0-2 up to that point was the clear determinate in suggesting he was going to get a hit. Was Fredi also supposed to know that Cabrera was gonna take an 0-fer tonight? Come on dude, Fredi obviously isn't the best and is still learning, but to blame it solely on him is ludicrous.

And at the same time,no one could know that Treanor was NOT going to get a hit a hit in that situation.And I don't know what Cabrera has to do with this discussion.

 

ok, but he was a lot more likely to not get a hit. that's the percentages. i love treanor and the vote for treanor sticker. but he's isn't any star. the reason why we disagree is that i would've bunted in that situation with anybody except for miggy, hanley, and hammer (but uggla or jacobs probably wouldn't be able to anyway). and i'm guessing since you're not in favor of giving away the out, you would have let just about anybody swing away. in that situation, i want the tying run on 3rd with 1 out, definitely.

As I said above,I am in favor of letting anyone outside the pitcher (and Olivo too,I guess),swing in that situation especially when said batter has been doing well lately.With the way we've been swinging lately and all the bad breaks,giving outs away only makes matters worse.

Since this is a game thoughts/rant thread, here are my two cents.

 

In the 9th, you go by the old axiom the home team plays for the tie, the road team for the win. Bunting the runner to 3rd with no one out is absolutely 100% the right call. The ending was a fluke play, but that really is all on Porter, he appeared to be telling Hermida to get off more and he even seemed to be gesturing for him to go on contact regardless. Oh well.

 

IMO, Fredi lost the game for us in the 4th inning doing what he always does, insisting on getting 5 mediocre innings from a starter despite a quality scoring chance with 2 outs. Pinch hittng for Vandy in the 4th would have been the right call to make, but as Fredi has done all to often, he lets a struggling pitcher hit, go back out for another inning and then give it up.

 

Sigh.

Hermida was clearly going on contact. BTW I cant count how many time Amezaga has failed to get a sac fly with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs.

Lol.

 

(Not directed at you swifty or you ralph)

Lol.

 

(Not directed at you swifty or you ralph)

Lol???Whatever.

i agree with Swift that Fredi just does that wayyy too much. If we have an oppurtunity to score more runs lets do it. Makes me sense then have the pitcher give it up the next inning and missing a perfect oppurtunity.

After striking out Bonds twice why did Vandy give him anything to hit? And why did they let him pitch to him? I thought he was seriously pushing his luck. I also agree that they should have pinch hit for Vandy. Oh well, it was nice to have a big crowd.

i don't blame gonzalez for the way the game ended, but the fact that he is a GOD-AWFUL manager was pretty obvious tonight.

 

i'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but pinch running dan uggla in the 8th inning of a 1 run game when the bottom-half of the order is due up in the 9th? seriously? pinch running a guy with 23 home runs? when one swing of the bat can tie up the ballgame? brilliant, just brilliant.

 

gonzalez is an absolutely terrible manager and the only reason he has and will continue to hold the post is because he's a willing puppet for the front office.

I agree that was his biggest blunder. Fredi is really meh. He is not a brilliant stratergist nor an inspirational manager. I guess the players like him because he is a good guy but as a manager after 110 plus games, as fans there is little to expect from him. Yes he has had more injuries on his roster than any manager i can ever remember in Marlin's history but he doesn't really create opportunities for his team to succeed, I don't believe he has lost many games for his team either, except maybe for the questionable handling of his pitchers. I guess he can get better over time, I wouldn't bet on it. The biggest question at this moment... can he develop our young talent? He will be given another chance next year to answer that one

We need a Bobby Cox type manager. He gives it all for his team, and he doesn't hide sh*t. If he see's his pitcher is struggling in the first couple of innings he'll take him out before the game gets out of his teams hand. He gives his team a chance to win, instead of leaving someone out there to try to prove themselves or to fix their problems during the game. I don't know about you guys, but i think Fredi is way too "soft" to be a manager. He's extremely nice, he doesn't seem to push his players enough to be winners, he doesn't seem to make the big in-game decisions that need to be made in order to win. Fredi needs to prove himself next season because this team at the beginning of the season had great potential to do some damage, and well that hasn't really happened. Fredi needs to step it up a notch next season.

 

Just my opinion

Wow.

 

He gets ripped for bunting, he gets ripped for not bunting.

We need a Bobby Cox type manager. He gives it all for his team, and he doesn't hide sh*t. If he see's his pitcher is struggling in the first couple of innings he'll take him out before the game gets out of his teams hand. He gives his team a chance to win, instead of leaving someone out there to try to prove themselves or to fix their problems during the game. I don't know about you guys, but i think Fredi is way too "soft" to be a manager. He's extremely nice, he doesn't seem to push his players enough to be winners, he doesn't seem to make the big in-game decisions that need to be made in order to win. Fredi needs to prove himself next season because this team at the beginning of the season had great potential to do some damage, and well that hasn't really happened. Fredi needs to step it up a notch next season.

 

Just my opinion

 

 

The big difference is Bobby Cox is in the middle of a pennant race and Fredi Gonzalez is nowhere near contention. Guys like RVH and Olsen need to left out there so they can figure things out. That's how players develop.

Here we go again!Bottom of the 9th,no outs and a man in second.Any logical person would have Treanor take his swings,especially with the way he's been hitting but no,Fredi the retard decides once again to just give away an out to the Giants by having Treanor bunt.Then there came the double play to end the game.When does this stupid crap end??? :banghead

I'm not Fredi's biggest fan as of late by any means but bunting the runner over to third is the correct call.

And actually, this is one of the few times I think bunting is a good idea.