Can you tell me about the arms you think are in front of him. I was looking at the ERA of the Marlins starters and they were very high. I think most would argue that the National league is known for pitching, and the American League is known for hitting.

A quick run down of our important (at least to me) pitchers by level. This is everyone on our 40 man, new additions, and some of the extras.

 

MLB Starters - A. Miller, Olsen, Anibal (out beginning 08), Johnson (out till 09), Mitre (he is expendable and will be looked over when someone bumps him)

MLB Starters/Relievers - Nolasco, Vanden Hurk (Could start, could be plus pen arms. Good arguments for either)

MLB Relievers - Gregg (probably be moved soon), Lindstrom, Owens (out beginning 08), Tankeresly, Pinto, Kensing, J. Miller, and Gardner (both older, will be looked over when kids ready)

AAA Starters - G. Hernandez, J. Delgado, Barone, Seddon, Carvajal (later three organizational types, will be looked over if kids are ready. Delgado is meh. Probably a RP.)

AAA Relievers - Cruz, H. Garcia, Wolf, Nestor (only Cruz is a premier talent)

AA Starters - Volstad, Trahern, Thompson, Tucker, Sinkbeil, Badenhop (Thompson/Tucker/Sinkbeil are all young, first round talent arms. Same or better upside as Trahern).

AA Relievers - C. Martinez, Doolitte, Marceaux

A+/A Starters - West (out beginning 08), Taylor, Winters, H. Correa (West is a top prospect, other ones not much yet)

 

I bolded all the guys I think will have shots in the rotation before Trahern. You're probably familiar with the MLB ones, but the other two. G. Hernandez we got from the Mets in the post 05 trades, and is one of our better arms. He's always been young for his level and holds his own. He probably has the same # 3 starter projection as Trahern. As for Volstad, he's the stud of the system. The numbers might not show it yet, as in a lower K rate and skeptical hit rate, but he has three plus pitches, has excellent control, and induces silly amounts of ground balls. Long term, he'll probably slot behind Miller as our 1-2.

 

I suspect the start of 08 will be (Gregg moved before the year)

SP - A. Miller, Olsen, Mitre, Nolasco, Vanden Hurk

RP - Lindstrom, Pinto, Tank, Kensing, Cruz, J. Miller, Gardner

 

By the end of the year

SP - A. Miller, Olsen, Anibal, Volstad, G. Hernandez

RP - Lindstrom, Owens, Nolasco, Vanden Hurk, Cruz, Tank, Pinto (This is a ridiculous collection of power arms).

 

Then you lop in Johnson, see what's going on with Kensing, C. Mart, H. Garcia and the rest of the pen arms, and see if Thompson/Tucker/Sinkbeil don't jump him on the depth chart with breakout 2008 campaigns... Trahern has got his work cut out for him to fight all of the names. Everyone from the AA starters and up throws really hard and is nasty. I would let him split AA (needs to improve that 1.40 whip) and AAA for 2008, and then see if he can win a spot in the bloodbath that will be spring training 2009. No one is going anywhere. Besides for Mitre (and Gregg), the Marlins have all of these players rights for minimum 4 years.

Can you tell me about the arms you think are in front of him. I was looking at the ERA of the Marlins starters and they were very high. I think most would argue that the National league is known for pitching, and the American League is known for hitting.

A quick run down of our important (at least to me) pitchers by level. This is everyone on our 40 man, new additions, and some of the extras.

 

MLB Starters - A. Miller, Olsen, Anibal (out beginning 08), Johnson (out till 09), Mitre (he is expendable and will be looked over when someone bumps him)

MLB Starters/Relievers - Nolasco, Vanden Hurk (Could start, could be plus pen arms. Good arguments for either)

MLB Relievers - Gregg (probably be moved soon), Lindstrom, Owens (out beginning 08), Tankeresly, Pinto, Kensing, J. Miller, and Gardner (both older, will be looked over when kids ready)

AAA Starters - G. Hernandez, J. Delgado, Barone, Seddon, Carvajal (later three organizational types, will be looked over if kids are ready. Delgado is meh. Probably a RP.)

AAA Relievers - Cruz, H. Garcia, Wolf, Nestor (only Cruz is a premier talent)

AA Starters - Volstad, Trahern, Thompson, Tucker, Sinkbeil, Badenhop (Thompson/Tucker/Sinkbeil are all young, first round talent arms. Same or better upside as Trahern).

AA Relievers - C. Martinez, Doolitte, Marceaux

A+/A Starters - West (out beginning 08), Taylor, Winters, H. Correa (West is a top prospect, other ones not much yet)

 

I bolded all the guys I think will have shots in the rotation before Trahern. You're probably familiar with the MLB ones, but the other two. G. Hernandez we got from the Mets in the post 05 trades, and is one of our better arms. He's always been young for his level and holds his own. He probably has the same # 3 starter projection as Trahern. As for Volstad, he's the stud of the system. The numbers might not show it yet, as in a lower K rate and skeptical hit rate, but he has three plus pitches, has excellent control, and induces silly amounts of ground balls. Long term, he'll probably slot behind Miller as our 1-2.

 

I suspect the start of 08 will be (Gregg moved before the year)

SP - A. Miller, Olsen, Mitre, Nolasco, Vanden Hurk

RP - Lindstrom, Pinto, Tank, Kensing, Cruz, J. Miller, Gardner

 

By the end of the year

SP - A. Miller, Olsen, Anibal, Volstad, G. Hernandez

RP - Lindstrom, Owens, Nolasco, Vanden Hurk, Cruz, Tank, Pinto (This is a ridiculous collection of power arms).

 

Then you lop in Johnson, see what's going on with Kensing, C. Mart, H. Garcia and the rest of the pen arms, and see if Thompson/Tucker/Sinkbeil don't jump him on the depth chart with breakout 2008 campaigns... Trahern has got his work cut out for him to fight all of the names. Everyone from the AA starters and up throws really hard and is nasty. I would let him split AA (needs to improve that 1.40 whip) and AAA for 2008, and then see if he can win a spot in the bloodbath that will be spring training 2009. No one is going anywhere. Besides for Mitre (and Gregg), the Marlins have all of these players rights for minimum 4 years.

 

Just to make sure Im reading this right. You think Trahern will start at AA and then possibly move up to AAA as the season goes on? Wow. If that is true I assume that means you dont think he will get an invite to Major League Spring Training right?

i would like to see justin miller and gardner to go along with gregg before they stop producing

also really dont see RVH going to the bullpen if he makes the club. i think beinfest sees him as a starter and would give him innings in the minors to work on that control rather than stick him in the bullpen

Wasn't there something about Pinto maybe being looked at as a starter as well?

 

Not sure what the point would be there, we've got a logjam coming up from the looks of it.

Wasn't there something about Pinto maybe being looked at as a starter?

 

Not sure what the point would be there, we've got a logjam coming up from the looks of it.

 

 

If Pinto's on he could be DEVESTATING as a starter, and you can't say that for a lot of that logjam. Great k/9, great h/9, good enough HR/9.

 

But when he's not on god damn do those walks come fast.

 

If he's owning it up in the bullpen, I'd love for him to start, but you deffinatly have to start with him in the bullpen IMO. But man, get that BB/9 rate even so much down to 3 instead of nearly 5 like he was last year and....would be real nice.

 

Never want to bank on a guy suddenly finding his control though.

Just to make sure Im reading this right. You think Trahern will start at AA and then possibly move up to AAA as the season goes on? Wow. If that is true I assume that means you dont think he will get an invite to Major League Spring Training right?

He'll get a spring training invite, the Marlins brought up Volstad/Thompson/West/Tucker/Sinkbeil/Marceaux for spring training last year when they were all in low A, but at the same time, none of them had a realistic shot at making the club. I think Trahern would have to blow up (in a good way) spring training for him to be considered as the 5th starter or in the bullpen mix.

Wasn't there something about Pinto maybe being looked at as a starter?

 

Not sure what the point would be there, we've got a logjam coming up from the looks of it.

 

 

If Pinto's on he could be DEVESTATING as a starter, and you can't say that for a lot of that logjam. Great k/9, great h/9, good enough HR/9.

 

But when he's not on god damn do those walks come fast.

 

If he's owning it up in the bullpen, I'd love for him to start, but you deffinatly have to start with him in the bullpen IMO. But man, get that BB/9 rate even so much down to 3 instead of nearly 5 like he was last year and....would be real nice.

 

Never want to bank on a guy suddenly finding his control though.

 

Pinto continues to pitch in relief in the winter leagues last time I looked and one of these days his arm is going to fall off. He has been pitching non-stop for three years.

Just to make sure Im reading this right. You think Trahern will start at AA and then possibly move up to AAA as the season goes on? Wow. If that is true I assume that means you dont think he will get an invite to Major League Spring Training right?

He'll get a spring training invite, the Marlins brought up Volstad/Thompson/West/Tucker/Sinkbeil/Marceaux for spring training last year when they were all in low A, but at the same time, none of them had a realistic shot at making the club. I think Trahern would have to blow up (in a good way) spring training for him to be considered as the 5th starter or in the bullpen mix.

 

I think you all will be pleasantly surprised by Dallas. I would be shocked if he starts below AAA.

Anyone have Nolasco's winter stats?

 

1-2, 5.70era 7g 23.2ip 22h 15r(15er) 0hr 7bb 19k .247baa

 

game log:

 

 

obviously his last outing skewed his results a bit

I can't wait for Spring Training to start so we can see all this young talent playing in a Marlins uni. I'm stoked.