July 12, 200818 yr Let me start by saying, that as far as I'm concerned I'd like these guys to tie for Cy Young voting if it came down to it, but that's not what this is about... this is about how they compare to one another... Scott Olsen: 19 GS ~ 5-4 ~ 119.1 IP ~ 3.77 ERA ~ 1.26 WHIP Ricky Nolasco: 17 GS ~ 10-4 ~ 110.2 ~ 3.74 ERA ~ 1.20 WHIP Sans Scotty's plethora of No Decisions, they are pretty much identical on the basic stats Ricky: 82-29 k/bb Scotty: 64/43 k/bb This is the number that has been getting people on the "Ricky 4 Ace" bandwagon, strikeouts are sexy, and rightfully so, but that doesn't tell the whole story... In the long run, a pitcher who Ks more and has a k/bb like that tends to be more successful, but Olsen has been on this track ALL YEAR and not really regressed, so, it appears as though he's found his niche of success Team Record in Appearance: Ricky: 12 -7 Scotty: 11-8 Sorry if I'm not seeing this earth-shattering, obvious-to-everyone difference yet... let's keep going... Even in Ricky's AWESOME June, which it really was, I'm not taking anything away from him, Olsen was just as good, if not better: Scotty: 0-2 ~ 3.13 ERA ~ 37.1 IP Ricky: 3-1 ~ 3.31 ERA ~ 35.1 IP How about clutch? Aces are supposed to be clutch, right? Scotty: -Close and Late: .179 .258 .250 Ricky: -Close and Late: .192 .222 .231 In summation, has Ricky been really good? Yes, yes he has, there is no refuting that at this point. Counter point: Olsen has been just as good... so to declare Ricky our hands-down ace at this moment is a bit too much. The ace is the guy that does it, and does it consistently... Olsen has been doing it all year, Nolasco has just caught up to him... and like Rabb said earlier, if that Colorado abomination could be wiped out of the memory banks, Olsen would look that much better... keep in mind regarding that game that NO PITCHER could get outs, it seemed like the only out that could be recorded was a strikeout or a popout.
July 13, 200818 yr I am more concerned with Scott's K:BB ratio that I am with the raw number of K's because he has enough K/9 to be effective. I just want to see him lower his BB/9 rate, though it is worth mentioning that Freddi has already had him toss 9 IBB, which is just too freaking high. I also don't know if his career 1:1 GB:FB is accurate and this season is an aberration. Soft-tossing lefties have always been an underappreciated commondity.
July 13, 200818 yr I certainly agree, if Scotty goes all K-like he can be an ace. And when he makes starts like that I get giddy and start saying WILL THIS BE HIM FINALLY TURNING IT AROUND WOOOOOOOOOO But he's only had something like 3, 4 games like that all year (just quickly glancing at the gamelog) and has a 4.83 K/9 on the year. If he can manage to turn back into 2006 scotty, then drinks all around, but with every passing day I doubt it more and more.
July 13, 200818 yr Author I certainly agree, if Scotty goes all K-like he can be an ace. And when he makes starts like that I get giddy and start saying WILL THIS BE HIM FINALLY TURNING IT AROUND WOOOOOOOOOO But he's only had something like 3, 4 games like that all year (just quickly glancing at the gamelog) and has a 4.83 K/9 on the year. If he can manage to turn back into 2006 scotty, then drinks all around, but with every passing day I doubt it more and more. I don't think this is a "long term" view on Scotty, I think after that god-awful 07, Wiley has basically been teaching him not to "fear" contact, the strike out still exists within his game, once he finally realizes he can pitch to contact AND K guys in the same game, we'll be fine, but at this point, Olsen is almost a reclamation project IMO
July 13, 200818 yr I am more concerned with Scott's K:BB ratio that I am with the raw number of K's because he has enough K/9 to be effective. I just want to see him lower his BB/9 rate, though it is worth mentioning that Freddi has already had him toss 9 IBB, which is just too freaking high. I also don't know if his career 1:1 GB:FB is accurate and this season is an aberration. Soft-tossing lefties have always been an underappreciated commondity. Yeah, this is certainly better than circa 2007 scott olsen, and I also agree that if he gets the BB rates down I'll also be a lot higher on him then I am now. I still definitely think he'll be a MLB starter for a long time, teams in pitchers park are probably going to go hard after him when he's available. I'd say the odds are in favor of him not being in a Marlins jersey next season, all things considered with the money issues.
July 13, 200818 yr Scott Olsen had a 3.44 ERA before his Colorado start, he is the better pitcher, Nolasco is hot right now, I believe Nolasco will cool off after the season is over, Olsen has kept his attitude problems in control and thus has made me believe he has a future in our rotation.
July 13, 200818 yr Who cares which is better? The only thing that is important is that they are both pitching well and getting the Marlins wins. With our rotation becoming whole again, the most important thing is that all 5 starters can pitch consistently well and let our offense not have to worry about coming back from behind so much.
July 13, 200818 yr I am more concerned with Scott's K:BB ratio that I am with the raw number of K's because he has enough K/9 to be effective. I just want to see him lower his BB/9 rate, though it is worth mentioning that Freddi has already had him toss 9 IBB, which is just too freaking high. I also don't know if his career 1:1 GB:FB is accurate and this season is an aberration. Soft-tossing lefties have always been an underappreciated commondity. The Fair Tax is neither fair nor practical...
July 13, 200818 yr Scott Olsen had a 3.44 ERA before his Colorado start, he is the better pitcher, Nolasco is hot right now, I believe Nolasco will cool off after the season is over, Olsen has kept his attitude problems in control and thus has made me believe he has a future in our rotation. I wouldn't say that Olsen is the better pitcher...I feel they are almost equal but as far as southpaws go Olsen is amongst the best lefties in the majors, that needs to be placed in the equation. However Nolasco has been our stopper lately. I would trade Nolasco before Olsen but Ricky is stud
July 13, 200818 yr I am more concerned with Scott's K:BB ratio that I am with the raw number of K's because he has enough K/9 to be effective. I just want to see him lower his BB/9 rate, though it is worth mentioning that Freddi has already had him toss 9 IBB, which is just too freaking high. I also don't know if his career 1:1 GB:FB is accurate and this season is an aberration. Soft-tossing lefties have always been an underappreciated commondity. The Fair Tax is neither fair nor practical... You are replying to my sig?
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