November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move.
November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move. When did Urbina sign with a new team? Nobody is lost until they're lost.
November 3, 200323 yr One thing that hurt the Expos down the stretch was that Selig/MLB didn't approve any spending to get more talent for the WC race. They'll still have that to overcome again in '04.
November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move. Yeah, we are in trouble... Right after Wade goes out and signs 2 or 3 decent starters and a bullpen.
November 3, 200323 yr What the hell is up with all this, They lose their starting pitching. Duck wasn't even a starting pitcher for them in the last few months and they were not planning to put him back either. Everyone knew Millwood was going which is why they contacted Montreal and Arizona for possibly Vazquez or dare I say Schill. The Phils have plenty of pitching options in the minors. Madson being the number one choice. This was a great deal for The Phils.
November 3, 200323 yr I don't think adding a closer catapults the Phillies to the top. They still need to get their rotation in order.
November 3, 200323 yr I don't think adding a closer catapults the Phillies to the top. They still need to get their rotation in order. Their problem is exactly? They still want a big time Pitcher and they have enough prospects as long as they don't deal Floyd or Madson their future is pretty much set when it comes to SP. Wolf had a great season. Padilla was strong in the second half. Myers is fine and even if they don't add a major SP, they have plenty of guys to come up and dare I dream, Floyd somewhere along the road(it's a longshot).
November 3, 200323 yr Barring any magnificent trade, wouldn't the Marlins' rotation still be preferable to Philly's? I don't know. I don't watch either team often enough to make that choice, but it seems to me that the Marlins are loaded on the pitching staff. That reminds me, do you see losing any of the starting pitchers this year through trades?
November 3, 200323 yr Bad news for us....Wagner is a top 3 closer in my book, only behind the obvious 2(Smoltz, Gagne). The only way that this can be somewhat positive is that they let Millwood walk and replace him with a cheap alternative and significantly weaken their rotation.
November 3, 200323 yr What are the chances of Urbina staying? More importantly, are there any better options through trades?
November 3, 200323 yr iF Urbina Leaves the Fish should Try to Entertain Offers to Either Latroy Hawkins or Eddie Guardado... (If there wanting less than Urbina)
November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move. When did Urbina sign with a new team? Nobody is lost until they're lost. Well he filed for the free agency. What does that tell you? He doesnt want to be here and wants more money....
November 3, 200323 yr The phillies rotation is fine. It CAN be better but its decent. Padilla, and Wolf are gonna have to step up with Millwood leaving. Myers has great stuff, he just hasnt been in the MLB too long but i expect him to have a good season, except against us.
November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move. When did Urbina sign with a new team? Nobody is lost until they're lost. Well he filed for the free agency. What does that tell you? He doesnt want to be here and wants more money.... well, i guess the same could be said about pudge then. free agents have to file for free agency at some point or another.
November 3, 200323 yr I just cant believe the Phillies got him. We are in trouble....thats all they needed a closer and they will be dominant. Now we lost our closer! Come on Beinfest make a move. When did Urbina sign with a new team? Nobody is lost until they're lost. Well he filed for the free agency. What does that tell you? He doesnt want to be here and wants more money.... That means they want to consider all offers . . .
November 3, 200323 yr iF Urbina Leaves the Fish should Try to Entertain Offers to Either Latroy Hawkins or Eddie Guardado... (If there wanting less than Urbina) Latroy Hawkins would solidfy our bullpen 100%.
November 3, 200323 yr The phillies rotation is fine. It CAN be better but its decent. Padilla, and Wolf are gonna have to step up with Millwood leaving. Myers has great stuff, he just hasnt been in the MLB too long but i expect him to have a good season, except against us. Decent does not cut it in the East
November 3, 200323 yr I do not think that this deal will propel the phillies to the top of the east. The marlins played most of the year without AJ burnett and he will improve the team drastically either in the bullpen or in the starting rotation. I think a closer is very overrated (it is just an ineffective starter). You can also find very effective closers for a very inexpensive price(i.e rocky biddle 320k, joe borrowski 400k, danny kolb 300k) and there are many good middle relievers in free agency this year that can easily take over a closer's role. I also think that the starting rotation of the phillies is going to struggle if they lost kevin millwood(which they most likely will) and brandon duckworth.
November 3, 200323 yr I do not think that this deal will propel the phillies to the top of the east. The marlins played most of the year without AJ burnett and he will improve the team drastically either in the bullpen or in the starting rotation. I think a closer is very overrated (it is just an ineffective starter). You can also find very effective closers for a very inexpensive price(i.e rocky biddle 320k, joe borrowski 400k, danny kolb 300k) and there are many good middle relievers in free agency this year that can easily take over a closer's role. I also think that the starting rotation of the phillies is going to struggle if they lost kevin millwood(which they most likely will) and brandon duckworth. i agree
November 3, 200323 yr Wagner has had arm injuries if I remember correctly but I still think the Phillies made a terrific move here. NL East will be very competitive next year!
November 4, 200323 yr Wagner has had arm injuries if I remember correctly but I still think the Phillies made a terrific move here. NL East will be very competitive next year! the phils still have plenty of problems, and the nl east isnt as competitive as you think because.... -phils still have Admin bowa and pat burrell -they will prob lose millwood -they dont have any mid relief -mtl will lose vlad -nym will still be the mets -atl will only get worse this division wont be as good as last yr
November 4, 200323 yr -they dont have any mid relief What the f*** are you smoking? Their mid pen was one of the best in the league last year and they kept Frenchy easily one of the best comeback players last year and one of the best Relievers in the league last season.
November 4, 200323 yr The NL East not being as competitive? It is still going to be the most difficult division in the league buddy.
November 4, 200323 yr That should help the phils a lot. Especially with all the games they lost last year due to not havin an effective closer. If burrell can get back on track they will be improved for sure, but if they lose millwood that could hurt them.
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