April 8, 200917 yr cautiously optimistic. :disguise2 We're gonna change your user name to "Boner's Biggest Fan"
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. Wrong. You forgive a guy like Boni for his low slugging because he can get himself into scoring position with his speed to make up for it. The more he's on base, the more he can cause havoc, the more he scores.
April 8, 200917 yr cautiously optimistic. :disguise2 We're gonna change your user name to "Boner's Biggest Fan" I said many times that I questioned his ability to get on base, and still do. but I have always had faith in him, and in the organization. And I never really felt like we got 'robbed' by the Nats. Labels like "haters" and "believers" are for simple minds, IMO. As far as me being EB's biggest fan, I doubt it.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. Wrong. You forgive a guy like Boni for his low slugging because he can get himself into scoring position with his speed to make up for it. The more he's on base, the more he can cause havoc, the more he scores. Wrong. The guy with the .325 OBP creates 4% more runs than the guy with the .365 OBP. If you agree creating runs is a good thing then you go with the guy who creates more runs.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. Wrong. You forgive a guy like Boni for his low slugging because he can get himself into scoring position with his speed to make up for it. The more he's on base, the more he can cause havoc, the more he scores. Wrong. The guy with the .325 OBP creates 4% more runs than the guy with the .365 OBP. If you agree creating runs is a good thing then you go with the guy who creates more runs. I take the guy who makes less outs at the top of the order, since he gets more plate appearances.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. Wrong. You forgive a guy like Boni for his low slugging because he can get himself into scoring position with his speed to make up for it. The more he's on base, the more he can cause havoc, the more he scores. Wrong. The guy with the .325 OBP creates 4% more runs than the guy with the .365 OBP. If you agree creating runs is a good thing then you go with the guy who creates more runs. Wrong. What's Emilio going to do, drive in runners with nobody on? No. If he hits a few more doubles here and there but stops getting on base at a nice clip, he is not contributing as much as he could getting on base more often and just swiping the bag right after. He has Tavares-like speed, good enough to practically turn every walk or single he gets into extra bases. Literally, almost every walk or single.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Going by your example, the higher OBP is better, going by (OBP*1.4)+SLG. .810 v.s. .816 So it takes 7 more SLG points to surpass the higher OBP (so a .687 OPS v.s. a 670) Certainly OBP has gotten overrated (Or, more appropriately, SLG has gotten underrated). A .370/.330 line isn't anywhere close to a .290/.500 line, but I'm sure the .370 OBP would get more love. But a .340/.430 line is equal to the .290/.500 one, even though it's 30 OPS points less.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. Wrong. You forgive a guy like Boni for his low slugging because he can get himself into scoring position with his speed to make up for it. The more he's on base, the more he can cause havoc, the more he scores. Wrong. The guy with the .325 OBP creates 4% more runs than the guy with the .365 OBP. If you agree creating runs is a good thing then you go with the guy who creates more runs. Wrong. What's Emilio going to do, drive in runners with nobody on? No. If he hits a few more doubles here and there but stops getting on base at a nice clip, he is not contributing as much as he could getting on base more often and just swiping the bag right after. He has Tavares-like speed, good enough to practically turn every walk or single he gets into extra bases. Literally, almost every walk or single. Cameron will be on base much more often than the normal 8th hitter. Emilio has reached 1st base via single or BB or IBB about 850 times and has 230 SB so it's not every time or pratically every time or anything close to that.. about a quarter of the time.
April 8, 200917 yr To me OPS is more important than OBP even for little guys. I would prefer if he had a .325 OBP with a .355 SLG than a .365 OBP with a .305 SLG. It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Going by your example, the higher OBP is better, going by (OBP*1.4)+SLG. .810 v.s. .816 So it takes 7 more SLG points to surpass the higher OBP (so a .687 OPS v.s. a 670) Certainly OBP has gotten overrated (Or, more appropriately, SLG has gotten underrated). A .370/.330 line isn't anywhere close to a .290/.500 line, but I'm sure the .370 OBP would get more love. But a .340/.430 line is equal to the .290/.500 one, even though it's 30 OPS points less. I guess I should have used .362 SLG in the example instead of .355... I agree OBP gets overrated or SLG gets underrated.
April 8, 200917 yr But at the top of the lineup, you take OBP over slugging. For sure. It's not a question. He's going to get the most at bats on the team at the leadoff spot, so you take a 40 point jump in in base over a 40 point jump in slugging, or even a 70 point jump. Sure, OBP might be a little overrated, but you cannot overrate it at the top of the lineup.
April 8, 200917 yr I'm not a hater or a believer in Bonifacio. A hater... well... hates. I don't hate. I'm a doubter. I hate you... HAHAHAHA :thumbup I belive in Jherms he's my boy. I was a hater in Bonerface but he's done great but remember he's a human being he's gonna start to suck sooner or later, everyone does
April 9, 200917 yr As much as I like what we've seen from EB, especially hitting from the right side which was supposed to be his weak suit (that is the thing more than anything else for me that determines whether he stays at the top), the Mets will be defensing him differently and more competently than we just saw from the Nationals. I bet for example you'll see the second baseman playing deeper as they try to cut off those flairs he kept shooting ove the 2B's head all series long. Not sure how deep you think they would play him, but I hope they're stupid enough to do that. Then EB will try to hit a ground ball to the second baseman and beat out the throw to first easily.
April 9, 200917 yr If you think he's got that kind of bat control that's cool. lol but seriously, in that scenario, he will beat out 90 percent of grounders to second base, which probably occur much more often than little flares over the second baseman's head.
April 9, 200917 yr It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Is weight OBP + SLG more of a correlation to runs scored than OBP x SLG (runs created formula)?
April 9, 200917 yr It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Is weight OBP + SLG more of a correlation to runs scored than OBP x SLG (runs created formula)? Runs created is actually OBP X SLG X PA. Well, that's one of about 6000 RC formulas.
April 9, 200917 yr Not sure how deep you think they would play him, but I hope they're stupid enough to do that. Then EB will try to hit a ground ball to the second baseman and beat out the throw to first easily. If you're picturing one of those extreme shifts where Uggla plays in shallow right field I think you have the wrong image in your head. But between advance scouts and video I'm suggesting if EB continues to find ways to get on base the league will get better at defensing him. It's a game of chess.
April 9, 200917 yr It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Is weight OBP + SLG more of a correlation to runs scored than OBP x SLG (runs created formula)? Runs created is actually OBP X SLG X PA. Well, that's one of about 6000 RC formulas. OBP x SLG = runs created per PA
April 9, 200917 yr While you guys all argue over how to quantify things, I'm just going to use common sense and say that there is something impressive with the way that Bonifacio has been playing. We know he isn't going to keep up his current pace, but right now he is the spark plug that our offense has been using to get our engines started. If Bonifacio can hit over .300 with reasonable discipline and maintain his current speed production (which does make a difference, I don't see how getting yourself into scoring position doesn't) then he is going to be plenty valuable.
April 9, 200917 yr It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Is weight OBP + SLG more of a correlation to runs scored than OBP x SLG (runs created formula)? Runs created is actually OBP X SLG X PA. Well, that's one of about 6000 RC formulas. OBP x SLG = runs created per PA Ah, OK. I get what you meant now.
April 9, 200917 yr While you guys all argue over how to quantify things, I'm just going to use common sense and say that there is something impressive with the way that Bonifacio has been playing. We know he isn't going to keep up his current pace, but right now he is the spark plug that our offense has been using to get our engines started. If Bonifacio can hit over .300 with reasonable discipline and maintain his current speed production (which does make a difference, I don't see how getting yourself into scoring position doesn't) then he is going to be plenty valuable. The question isn't whether he'll be valuable of he hits .300 and steals 4 bases per 3 games without getting caught. He might win the MVP if he steals 200 bases without getting caught he might win the MVP. The question is whether he can do that at all.
April 9, 200917 yr It's constantly been show that a weight OBP + SLG has more correlation to runs scored than a strait OBP+SLG. Is weight OBP + SLG more of a correlation to runs scored than OBP x SLG (runs created formula)? Not sure. I know that Runs Created formulas with a weight on OBP do better than a strait OBP * SLG, though.
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