If a fan has to topple over three kids to get a batting practice ball (which I am sure this Brewers guy has done multiple times in the past), the ethical decision would be to give it to the kid despite it truly being the 31 year old's property.

 

 

 

 

 

but he didn't do that in this case and you don't know if he's ever done that...

 

He has been known to do that in Milwalkee. He also asked for specific seats because of a Peanut allergy for his daughter (the ones he caught the ball in). Was his daughter there that day? Any Day for that Matter? He obviously used his daughters disability to force someone out of their seats. Another DBag Move. He never mentions his children in his blogs. Does he even have them? He MADE the Brewers give him those seats. Wrong in my book.

 

He is a dirtbag.

 

I also feel you are a few clowns short of a circus.

 

A few fries short of a happy meal.

 

A few Beers short of a six pack.

 

Don't have all the cornflakes in one box.

 

All foam, no beer.

 

Body by Fischer, Brains by Mattel.

 

An IQ of 2, but it takes 3 to grunt.

 

An Intellect Rivaled by Garden Tools.

 

Your anntenna doesn't pick up all the channels.

 

Your Belt doesnt go through all the loops.

 

Missing a few buttons on your remote control.

 

Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

there are codes of ethics that I feel are applicable here

 

 

No, there aren't.

 

That's just what you "feel," which is worth no more or less than what anyone else "feels" about it, one way or the other.

 

There's no such thing as any "code of ethics" when it comes to caught baseballs, they're property, nothing more, nothing less.

 

While I may agree with you that the guy is a bit of an a-hole, the fact is that he was perfectly well within his rights to ask for whatever he wanted for the ball, it's his property until he disposes of it as he sees fit.

 

Had I caught it, I might have asked CC to sign another ball as a trade for the HR ball and wished him well. But, that's just me, I'm not in need of income from caught baseballs. Someone else could easily look at things totally differently and ask for the moon and whatever else.

 

As I understand it, CC wanted the ball so he could give it his mother, which I think was a totally selfless and laudable purpose. But, if he wants to do that, he's got to deal with the cost of doing so, whatever it may be. Sometimes players who want balls back from fans get lucky, sometimes they don't. So it goes.

Of course there are. And, yes, they are subjective among baseball fans. This guy is being torn to shreds by Brewers fans and rightfully so.

 

I do agree that baseballs are property but that says absolutely nothing to undermine the fact that he did not behave in a classy, respectable manner that was desired among the baseball community. In all honesty, the only people I've seen really defending this guy is this small collection of posters here on MB.com.

Of course there are.

 

Perhaps in your own mind, but nowhere else in the world of rational thought.

 

This guy is being torn to shreds by Brewers fans

 

So what? I and many others couldn't care less what a mob of morons thinks.

 

baseballs are property

 

Yup, that's correct. The only correct thing in your entire post.

 

he did not behave in a classy, respectable manner that was desired among the baseball community

 

Like I said, some people want other people to behave in an "acceptable" way. To them. And, just as there is no "code of ethics" there is no "baseball community." Those types of things exist only in some narrow minds.

 

the only people I've seen really defending this guy is this small collection of posters here on MB.com.

 

 

So what? Us "small collection of posters" actually have functioning cerebral matter. We don't care what a bunch of people who seem to have no critical thinking skills allegedly "think."

 

According to you, if the mass of morons on some board was supporting him, so would you, as that would be evidence of what some concocted "baseball community" thinks, which no doubt would somehow suddenly and amazingly comport with some newly cooked-up "code of ethics."

 

I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks, the facts are the facts, private property is private property, his price was his price and that's the end of it, regardless of however large the assortment of mush-brains who might think otherwise may be.

I guess I have to reiterate.

 

 

He asked for specific seats because of a Peanut allergy for his daughter (the ones he caught the ball in). Was his daughter there that day? Any Day for that Matter? He obviously used his daughters disability to force someone out of their seats. Another DBag Move. He never mentions his children in his blogs. Does he even have them? He MADE the Brewers give him those seats. Wrong in my book.

 

He is a dirtbag.

 

I also feel you are a few clowns short of a circus.

 

A few fries short of a happy meal.

 

A few Beers short of a six pack.

 

Don't have all the cornflakes in one box.

 

All foam, no beer.

 

Body by Fischer, Brains by Mattel.

 

An IQ of 2, but it takes 3 to grunt.

 

An Intellect Rivaled by Garden Tools.

 

Your anntenna doesn't pick up all the channels.

 

Your Belt doesnt go through all the loops.

 

Missing a few buttons on your remote control.

 

Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

 

...

Wow. What a long thread.

 

It seems that the only representations we have for this guy are (a) via the media and (b) via the interweb. As such, such representations are meaningless. The media will portray a guy to whichever way they feel the zeitgeist will blow. The interweb is even more worthless. There's a couple of guys in my life who are loved and respected on the internet forums they dwell upon, yet get to meet them in real life and they are both complete a-holes, and nasty and selfish with it.

 

Don't judge a guy until you know a guy. I ain't defending him, just pointing out what I feel in general.

Perhaps in your own mind, but nowhere else in the world of rational thought.

What are you talking about?

 

Ethical behavior dates all the way back to Greek philosophy. There might not be tangible rules set in place by MLB and the park dictating the return procedures for baseballs but that does not mean there are not common expectations for human behavior. This fully explains why this fan's behavior has upset so many people.

 

So what? I and many others couldn't care less what a mob of morons thinks.

No one is asking you to. It's merely evidence that this fan behaved in a manner that has been in the majority perceived as questionable and selfish. They have every right to be upset.

 

Yup, that's correct. The only correct thing in your entire post.

(on my "the ball is his property..." comment)

 

How is posting sentence fragments out of context a sophisticated and honest way to engage in discussion?

 

Like I said, some people want other people to behave in an "acceptable" way. To them. And, just as there is no "code of ethics" there is no "baseball community." Those types of things exist only in some narrow minds.

Yes, he behaved in a way he thought was "acceptable." In other words, selfish. Through his decision making process he evidently considered little else to be of more importance than his material acquisition of material merchandise. This seems to govern most of his behavior for he does not seem at all concerned with tarnishing his reputation and personal identification as a Brewers fan when he puts on the opposing team's apparel to be their bullpen catchers for baseballs.

 

This is is decision, but you cannot ignore the phenomenon of judgment that can rightfully be cast by others who inhabit the same community this fan claims to be a part of.

 

I'd like to hear your explanation as to why these certain ethical tendencies and groups could not logically exist.

 

So what? Us "small collection of posters" actually have functioning cerebral matter. We don't care what a bunch of people who seem to have no critical thinking skills allegedly "think."

 

According to you, if the mass of morons on some board was supporting him, so would you, as that would be evidence of what some concocted "baseball community" thinks, which no doubt would somehow suddenly and amazingly comport with some newly cooked-up "code of ethics."

 

I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks, the facts are the facts, private property is private property, his price was his price and that's the end of it, regardless of however large the assortment of mush-brains who might think otherwise may be.

It's becoming rather clear that you aren't quite as clever as you think you are, evident by your delving into abstract logic that you are trying to conjure up to conform to instinctual feelings on this matter.

 

If this fan did not care what people were thinking, why did he try to defend the accusations made against him on the Brewers forum? Why did he go on the radio to explain his side of the story? How are these the behaviors of someone who does not care? I'm eager to hear your answer to this.

 

He would have received the support of the his fellow fans if he had behaved appropriately. He is being outcast because the majority of the people that call themselves Brewers fans appear to be disheartened by the fact that he indulged in such immature behavior. They seem to think that this fan poor represented them. As I've said above, he obviously considers himself to be part of a community or else he would not have addressed them directly.

 

 

What it comes down to is that the property element justifies him keeping the ball but it does not justify him behaving like an immature greedy douche, which is essentially what everyone is claiming.

Wow. What a long thread.

 

It seems that the only representations we have for this guy are (a) via the media and (b) via the interweb. As such, such representations are meaningless. The media will portray a guy to whichever way they feel the zeitgeist will blow. The interweb is even more worthless. There's a couple of guys in my life who are loved and respected on the internet forums they dwell upon, yet get to meet them in real life and they are both complete a-holes, and nasty and selfish with it.

 

Don't judge a guy until you know a guy. I ain't defending him, just pointing out what I feel in general.

 

Yes, it's becoming quite tiresome. All of these autograph and ball hounds are coming out of the woodwork because they probably admire this guy for catching so many baseballs.

 

However, I find it amusing to see these people try to justify this behavior that has received unilateral scorning. It also sure beats these daily "Who is to blame?" and the "this team sucks" threads that follow every loss.

Wow. What a long thread.

 

It seems that the only representations we have for this guy are (a) via the media and (b) via the interweb. As such, such representations are meaningless. The media will portray a guy to whichever way they feel the zeitgeist will blow. The interweb is even more worthless. There's a couple of guys in my life who are loved and respected on the internet forums they dwell upon, yet get to meet them in real life and they are both complete a-holes, and nasty and selfish with it.

 

Don't judge a guy until you know a guy. I ain't defending him, just pointing out what I feel in general.

 

 

 

 

 

Why can't more posters on these boards think like this and how come you don't post more often?

 

I guess we'll have to live with the fact that there are more absent-minded individuals than there are intelligent ones roaming these threads.

It's merely evidence that this fan behaved in a manner that has been in the majority perceived as questionable and selfish. They have every right to be upset.

 

 

 

 

 

How was this fan acting selfishly?

 

It was his ball, he didn't have to negotiate or give it away for something he deemed less valuable. If that makes him a prick, then you're thinking makes you 'slow'.

 

I think you, like Rab and Erick, have problems with the definition of words.

 

 

If you own a brand new Mercedes, and I come up to you and say "I'll give you $500 for your car" and you say "No deal"... is that you being selfish?

 

lol..... rrrrrright.

The dude is scum. It's selfish to push two people out of seats just because your daughter has a peanut allergy. Especially when you never take said daughter.

 

He forced a couple out of their upperdeck seats. He held the ball for RANSOM (Screw your definition). He did it to Geoff Jenkins. He's done it to Chris Coghlan. He'll probably do it again.

 

He wears the other teams gear to get baseballs tossed to him. He uses a contraption to pick up baseballs in the bullpen or on the field. Nothing he does is right.

 

Even worse, he has knocked over a few people to get to loose or thrown baseballs.

 

He's scum. And I might go to the Marlins Brewers series to knock him on his ass if I get a chance.

He held the ball for RANSOM (Screw your definition)

 

 

 

He's scum. And I might go to the Marlins Brewers series to knock him on his ass if I get a chance.

 

 

 

Whose definition of ransom? You mean the widely accepted, found in the dictionary, definition of ransom?

 

If you do get a chance to make it to the game, make sure the short bus is full of gas before you head out.

What about the peanut allergy lie to get the seats he wanted?

 

Defend that---

 

He is a dirtbag.

 

Face it, You Couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

 

My definition:

 

Ransom: 1) Holding onto something you have no intention of keeping just to drive up the declared value; 2) to dupe and deceive to gain popularity and praise from fellow losers; 3) losing consideration for compassion just for a sack of bats and a ball; 4) the act of becoming an internet tool who likes to play with Major League Balls while making sure someone has to beg for the privlage of getting a $10 BALL back. 5) Asking for $200 in bats, $2500 in Yankees Tickets, $100 in Marlins tickets, and $50 in baseballs for a $10 Baseball hit by a fist time big leaguer.

What about the peanut allergy lie to get the seats he wanted?

 

 

 

 

 

Where is that story and how does that pertain to this thread topic?

 

What happened? Did he hold a peanut for "ransom".

What about the peanut allergy lie to get the seats he wanted?

 

 

 

 

 

Where is that story and how does that pertain to this thread topic?

 

What happened? Did he hold a peanut for "ransom".

 

My definition of ransom for arguments sake.

Ransom: 1) Holding onto something you have no intention of keeping just to drive up the declared value; 2) to dupe and deceive to gain popularity and praise from fellow losers; 3) losing consideration or compassion just for a sack of bats and a ball; 4) the act of becoming an internet tool who likes to play with Major League Balls while making sure someone has to beg for the privlage of getting a $10 BALL back. 5) Asking for $200 in bats, $2500 in Yankees Tickets, $100 in Marlins tickets, and $50 in baseballs for a $10 Baseball hit by a first time big leaguer.

Since he deleted his blog, theres no way to get the information about his "Praising of Brewers Management" to get the seats back.

My definition of ransom for arguments sake.

Ransom: 1) Holding onto something you have no intention of keeping just to drive up the declared value; 2) to dupe and deceive to gain popularity and praise from fellow losers; 3) losing consideration or compassion just for a sack of bats and a ball; 4) the act of becoming an internet tool who likes to play with Major League Balls while making sure someone has to beg for the privlage of getting a $10 BALL back. 5) Asking for $200 in bats, $2500 in Yankees Tickets, $100 in Marlins tickets, and $50 in baseballs for a $10 Baseball hit by a first time big leaguer.

 

 

 

Well I can't argue with you since you want to believe that there are mulitple definitions for the word ransom.

 

You're inferring that he had no intention of keeping the ball (which doesn't matter, he owned the ball... he could do whatever he wants with it).

 

Ransom, to dupe and deceive to gain popularity... lol

 

ahh, I knew I forgot part of that definition.

Lol, your losing sight of the main point. He had no intention of keeping the ball, but every intention to be an attention whore with his blog and demand for objects not even belonging to the player.

 

Your a few beers short of a 6 pack trucanes. Just admit it.

By the way, this is the Practical Definition of a ballhawk--

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ballhawk

 

Enjoy. Since your so into definitions. Don't mean to keep you from your alphabet soup btw.

I'm still waiting for Rab to provide all of us with that contract Hanley has with "that" memorabilia company...

 

and I'm still waiting for a link to your "peanut held for ransom" story.

By the way, this is the Practical Definition of a ballhawk--

http://www.urbandict...p?term=ballhawk

 

Enjoy. Since your so into definitions. Don't mean to keep you from your alphabet soup btw.

 

 

 

"you're"

 

and

 

how does providing me a link to the definition of "ball-hawk" substantiate your self-made definition of "ransom".

lol, urbandictionary

 

now I know where you get your immense knowledge of words from, pizzaguy3121

 

lmao