Which was to pay his ransom.....From your definition

 

4.to redeem [A BASEBALL] from captivity, bondage, detention, etc., by paying a demanded price. [A full order of Louisville Sluggers signed by Babe Ruth]

 

 

redeem from captivity, bondage, detention...

 

it was his property.

 

if the watch on your wrist is something you own (whether you bought it, or given to you as a gift) it is your property and you're not holding it for ransom, even if I come up to you and say "hey, what do you want for that watch that belongs to you"?

http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topic/18836/t/To-all-Brewer-fans.html

 

Fan the flames guys, FAN THE FLAMES!!!

Do we know why his site is down?

I read he got bombarded by people. I think MLB shut him down.

He's specific about who he spoke to and what was discussed and that lends him credibility.

 

I haven't listened to the interview (but I don't need to), he could easily be lying about the tone and phrasing of his comments. People do this all of the time when they recap things that have happened to them.

Wouldn't the fact that Chris Coghlin is not the first MLB player whose balls he's held ransom be some sort of indication as to how this man carries himself in these situations? The fact that he did the same thing to Geoff Jenkins says more about his character than how "cheap" the Marlins organization is when he attempted this negotiation tactic again.

 

99% of people in his situation would have requested something in return for the ball.It's human nature.

 

There is a difference between asking for something as a souvenir and holding the ball for ransom which is what many reports have said he did with Coghlan and what he did with Jenkins.

Really oh please enlighten me.It's the same thing, just different words.

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for something in return.Especially when the team offers you another regular baseball for Coghlan's first career home run ball.Yeah that's a fair trade alright.

 

Are you purposely being dense or do you really lack basic reasoning skills? No one is arguing whether or not it is wrong to ask for something in return. In fact, most would agree that it would be fair. The difference is, the "fan" went far beyond was would be considered a "fair trade" by the Marlins organization's stand point. The fact that he wanted Coghlan to ask Hanley to sign a bat (which is in and of itself uncalled for), then wanted a Coghlan signed bat, a ball, a picture, tickets for other games is, by no stretch of the imagination, a fair trade.

 

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

Wouldn't the fact that Chris Coghlin is not the first MLB player whose balls he's held ransom be some sort of indication as to how this man carries himself in these situations? The fact that he did the same thing to Geoff Jenkins says more about his character than how "cheap" the Marlins organization is when he attempted this negotiation tactic again.

 

99% of people in his situation would have requested something in return for the ball.It's human nature.

 

There is a difference between asking for something as a souvenir and holding the ball for ransom which is what many reports have said he did with Coghlan and what he did with Jenkins.

Really oh please enlighten me.It's the same thing, just different words.

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for something in return.Especially when the team offers you another regular baseball for Coghlan's first career home run ball.Yeah that's a fair trade alright.

 

Are you purposely being dense or do you really lack basic reasoning skills? No one is arguing whether or not it is wrong to ask for something in return. In fact, most would agree that it would be fair. The difference is, the "fan" went far beyond was would be considered a "fair trade" by the Marlins organization's stand point. The fact that he wanted Coghlan to ask Hanley to sign a bat (which is in and of itself uncalled for), then wanted a Coghlan signed bat, a ball, a picture, tickets for other games is, by no stretch of the imagination, a fair trade.

 

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

He didn't go "far beyond" as you say.That is your wrong opinion.So he asked for two bats and a ball.Wow i don't think the multi billion dollar industry can afford that one.

 

Also Coghlan's ball could be worth ALOT of money in the future.So basically the fan was handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket.I'll let you figure that obvious one out.

Thousands? More neighborhood of hundreds and that's being generous (under the assumption that Coghlan has a long, fruitful MLB career). I believe many of the recent "milestone" balls (sans those related to Bonds) have been returned without any monetary exchange. Sure, he could sit on the ball for years and years hoping that he could milk a couple of hundred bucks out of it or he could come off as a classy individual. I agree that it's his choice but anyone who wears the apparel of the opposing team just to get tossed baseballs is likely to engage in greedy behavior.

 

Secondly, he did not simply ask for two bats. He asked for one bat and then another bat from a completely different player. Apparently he did not learn the first time when he tried to get a Prince Fielder bat out of Jenkins' 200th home run ball. Why should Jenkins have to beg a teammate to receive a baseball that has very little tangible interest from anyone else other than Jenkins himself?

 

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for something in return.Especially when the team offers you another regular baseball for Coghlan's first career home run ball.Yeah that's a fair trade alright.

 

Are you purposely being dense or do you really lack basic reasoning skills? No one is arguing whether or not it is wrong to ask for something in return. In fact, most would agree that it would be fair. The difference is, the "fan" went far beyond was would be considered a "fair trade" by the Marlins organization's stand point. The fact that he wanted Coghlan to ask Hanley to sign a bat (which is in and of itself uncalled for), then wanted a Coghlan signed bat, a ball, a picture, tickets for other games is, by no stretch of the imagination, a fair trade.

 

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

He didn't go "far beyond" as you say.That is your wrong opinion.So he asked for two bats and a ball.Wow i don't think the multi billion dollar industry can afford that one.

 

Also Coghlan's ball could be worth ALOT of money in the future.So basically the fan was handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket.I'll let you figure that obvious one out.

 

Can you explain to me how an OPINION (which is therefore NOT a fact) can be wrong? It can't be.

 

Secondly, perhaps the "multi-billion dollar industry" can afford to give out bats and balls and whatever else they please, but the Marlins organization does not nor should Hanley have to sign a bat for Coghlan to get his 1st HR ball. I don't have a problem with the "fan" asking for a bat from COGHLAN ( the one who actually hit the HR) or asking for a signed ball from Coghlan, he definitely crossed the line when asking for a bat from Ramirez and tickets to a game.

 

Thirdly, I will not discuss intangibles as to how much Coghlan's 1st career HR ball could possibly be worth years from now. That is absurd. I will not pretend to know the future as you've done. Saying that HY could possibly be "handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket" is ridiculous. You couldn't possibly know how much that ball would be worth in the future (the ball could very well be worth nothing 25 years from now) therefore, this argument is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

Lastly, HY already has reputation and a sort of infamy with pulling dick-ish moves in order to acquire baseballs and now he's developing one with leveraging milestone HR balls from MLB players in order to get bats, signed balls, tickets, pictures, and whatever else he can get his grubby little hands on. I don't understand why you are defending his actions when they seem pretty reprehensible.

Thousands? More neighborhood of hundreds and that's being generous (under the assumption that Coghlan has a long, fruitful MLB career). I believe many of the recent "milestone" balls (sans those related to Bonds) have been returned without any monetary exchange. Sure, he could sit on the ball for years and years hoping that he could milk a couple of hundred bucks out of it or he could come off as a classy individual. I agree that it's his choice but anyone who wears the apparel of the opposing team just to get tossed baseballs is likely to engage in greedy behavior.

 

Secondly, he did not simply ask for two bats. He asked for one bat and then another bat from a completely different player. Apparently he did not learn the first time when he tried to get a Prince Fielder bat out of Jenkins' 200th home run ball. Why should Jenkins have to beg a teammate to receive a baseball that has very little tangible interest from anyone else other than Jenkins himself?

 

 

Thank you! I completely agree with everything you said!

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

 

 

 

Why? He doesn't HAVE TO beg his fellow teammate... It all depends how badly the player/team wants the ball.

 

I think what you're failing to realize is:

 

1) The definition of the term 'Ransom'

2) Once a fan catches a ball, its his and not the teams or player that hit the ball.

3) He could have denied any negotiations for the ball (that would have been really dick)

4) He could have asked for stricly cash in return (that would have been really dick)

5) Where is it an unwritten rule to ask for a signed bat of the best player on the team, even if that player wasn't the one that hit the HR?

I may be wrong, and I don't feel like going back and listening to the leBatard interview all over again, but I believe Dan (maybe it was someone else) asks him, "So what was your biggest haul (blah blah blah)..." and his answer was four bats from Jenkins.

I may be wrong, and I don't feel like going back and listening to the leBatard interview all over again, but I believe Dan (maybe it was someone else) asks him, "So what was your biggest haul (blah blah blah)..." and his answer was four bats from Jenkins.

 

 

 

i think you'll need to listen to that interview again but anyway..

 

whats the point youre trying to make?

 

 

If Jenkins thought his 200th HR ball was worth 4 bats (as you say he gave up) then whats the problem?

If Jenkins thought his 200th HR ball was worth 4 bats (as you say he gave up) then whats the problem?

 

Exactly. A willing buyer and a willing seller equals a voluntary transaction.

 

4 bats or a signed ball or season tickets and $50K or nothing but a thank you, it's all the same, the result of a voluntary transaction between two willing parties.

 

All of this "he was a dick" stuff is BS. Whoever catches a ball becomes the owner of it and can sell it or not sell it or give it away for nothing as he sees fit.

 

If all ticket stubs said "All baseballs used in a game remain the property of [insert name of home team,]" it would be a different story, but that ain't the case.

 

Why anyone gets upset about any of this, other than that some people think that other people aren't behaving like they think that they should behave, is a total mystery.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for something in return.Especially when the team offers you another regular baseball for Coghlan's first career home run ball.Yeah that's a fair trade alright.

 

Are you purposely being dense or do you really lack basic reasoning skills? No one is arguing whether or not it is wrong to ask for something in return. In fact, most would agree that it would be fair. The difference is, the "fan" went far beyond was would be considered a "fair trade" by the Marlins organization's stand point. The fact that he wanted Coghlan to ask Hanley to sign a bat (which is in and of itself uncalled for), then wanted a Coghlan signed bat, a ball, a picture, tickets for other games is, by no stretch of the imagination, a fair trade.

 

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

He didn't go "far beyond" as you say.That is your wrong opinion.So he asked for two bats and a ball.Wow i don't think the multi billion dollar industry can afford that one.

 

Also Coghlan's ball could be worth ALOT of money in the future.So basically the fan was handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket.I'll let you figure that obvious one out.

 

Can you explain to me how an OPINION (which is therefore NOT a fact) can be wrong? It can't be.

 

Secondly, perhaps the "multi-billion dollar industry" can afford to give out bats and balls and whatever else they please, but the Marlins organization does not nor should Hanley have to sign a bat for Coghlan to get his 1st HR ball. I don't have a problem with the "fan" asking for a bat from COGHLAN ( the one who actually hit the HR) or asking for a signed ball from Coghlan, he definitely crossed the line when asking for a bat from Ramirez and tickets to a game.

 

Thirdly, I will not discuss intangibles as to how much Coghlan's 1st career HR ball could possibly be worth years from now. That is absurd. I will not pretend to know the future as you've done. Saying that HY could possibly be "handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket" is ridiculous. You couldn't possibly know how much that ball would be worth in the future (the ball could very well be worth nothing 25 years from now) therefore, this argument is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

Lastly, HY already has reputation and a sort of infamy with pulling dick-ish moves in order to acquire baseballs and now he's developing one with leveraging milestone HR balls from MLB players in order to get bats, signed balls, tickets, pictures, and whatever else he can get his grubby little hands on. I don't understand why you are defending his actions when they seem pretty reprehensible.

Fans keep these type of milestone balls all the time.The ball could be worth thousands in the future, so it's only fair that he gets an equal return.Do you not understand?.Is it to hard for your brain?.

 

The ball was the fans property.Understand it? okay?.Your opinion is very absurd and off line.

If Jenkins thought his 200th HR ball was worth 4 bats (as you say he gave up) then whats the problem?

 

Exactly. A willing buyer and a willing seller equals a voluntary transaction.

 

4 bats or a signed ball or season tickets and $50K or nothing but a thank you, it's all the same, the result of a voluntary transaction between two willing parties.

 

All of this "he was a dick" stuff is BS. Whoever catches a ball becomes the owner of it and can sell it or not sell it or give it away for nothing as he sees fit.

 

If all ticket stubs said "All baseballs used in a game remain the property of [insert name of home team,]" it would be a different story, but that ain't the case.

 

Why anyone gets upset about any of this, other than that some people think that other people aren't behaving like they think that they should behave, is a total mystery.

 

+1

 

A+

 

thank the lord almighty, there are people in these forums that have a brain and can think for themselves.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with asking for something in return.Especially when the team offers you another regular baseball for Coghlan's first career home run ball.Yeah that's a fair trade alright.

 

Are you purposely being dense or do you really lack basic reasoning skills? No one is arguing whether or not it is wrong to ask for something in return. In fact, most would agree that it would be fair. The difference is, the "fan" went far beyond was would be considered a "fair trade" by the Marlins organization's stand point. The fact that he wanted Coghlan to ask Hanley to sign a bat (which is in and of itself uncalled for), then wanted a Coghlan signed bat, a ball, a picture, tickets for other games is, by no stretch of the imagination, a fair trade.

 

Like I stated earlier, he did the same thing when Jenkins hit his milestone HR and he wanted Jenkins to ask Prince Fielder for a signed bat. Why should one player beg a teammate to sign a bat for a fan just to retrieve a HR ball? He is putting Coghlan and Jenkins in an awkward position, not to mention he is being a greedy brat... like I said earlier.

He didn't go "far beyond" as you say.That is your wrong opinion.So he asked for two bats and a ball.Wow i don't think the multi billion dollar industry can afford that one.

 

Also Coghlan's ball could be worth ALOT of money in the future.So basically the fan was handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket.I'll let you figure that obvious one out.

 

Can you explain to me how an OPINION (which is therefore NOT a fact) can be wrong? It can't be.

 

Secondly, perhaps the "multi-billion dollar industry" can afford to give out bats and balls and whatever else they please, but the Marlins organization does not nor should Hanley have to sign a bat for Coghlan to get his 1st HR ball. I don't have a problem with the "fan" asking for a bat from COGHLAN ( the one who actually hit the HR) or asking for a signed ball from Coghlan, he definitely crossed the line when asking for a bat from Ramirez and tickets to a game.

 

Thirdly, I will not discuss intangibles as to how much Coghlan's 1st career HR ball could possibly be worth years from now. That is absurd. I will not pretend to know the future as you've done. Saying that HY could possibly be "handing over thousands of dollars from his pocket" is ridiculous. You couldn't possibly know how much that ball would be worth in the future (the ball could very well be worth nothing 25 years from now) therefore, this argument is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

Lastly, HY already has reputation and a sort of infamy with pulling dick-ish moves in order to acquire baseballs and now he's developing one with leveraging milestone HR balls from MLB players in order to get bats, signed balls, tickets, pictures, and whatever else he can get his grubby little hands on. I don't understand why you are defending his actions when they seem pretty reprehensible.

Fans keep these type of milestone balls all the time.The ball could be worth thousands in the future, so it's only fair that he gets an equal return.Do you not understand?.Is it to hard for your brain?.

 

The ball was the fans property.Understand it? okay?.Your opinion is very absurd and off line.

 

If you are going to make an attempt to insult my intelligence please make sure you are at least utilizing proper grammar, thank you. (Is it TOO hard for you brain?)

 

I'm not sure if you actually read what people have already posted on this thread, but I believe El Penguino said it best, that ball will most likely NOT be worth a thousand dollars. In fact, the idea that you actually believe that Chris Coghlan's 1st career HR will be worth thousands in the future is utterly unfounded.

I've already stated that I won't be arguing some thing as unpredictable or as outlandish as the future worth of Coghlan's HR ball. That is ridiculous, but please stop speculating or making such absurd assumptions as a thousand dollars.

No one is arguing whether or not the ball belonged to HY, I'm pretty sure we have a consensus that it did in fact belong to him the moment he caught it. The issue that has been taken is with how much he asked from Coghlan and how he went about the negotiations.

By far the most ridiculous thing I've read is, "The ball could be worth thousands in the future, so it's only fair the he gets an equal return". Please tell me you don't actually believe that the fan should be rewarded thousands in return for that baseball?

I think you should look up the concept of "opinion" because my opinion can not be wrong as you stated in an earlier post nor is it "off line" (whatever that means, were you trying to say "out of line"?). My opinion is simply my personal view on the situation.

If Jenkins thought his 200th HR ball was worth 4 bats (as you say he gave up) then whats the problem?

 

Exactly. A willing buyer and a willing seller equals a voluntary transaction.

 

4 bats or a signed ball or season tickets and $50K or nothing but a thank you, it's all the same, the result of a voluntary transaction between two willing parties.

 

All of this "he was a dick" stuff is BS. Whoever catches a ball becomes the owner of it and can sell it or not sell it or give it away for nothing as he sees fit.

 

If all ticket stubs said "All baseballs used in a game remain the property of [insert name of home team,]" it would be a different story, but that ain't the case.

 

Why anyone gets upset about any of this, other than that some people think that other people aren't behaving like they think that they should behave, is a total mystery.

 

+1

 

A+

 

thank the lord almighty, there are people in these forums that have a brain and can think for themselves.

 

I'm sure most on this forum can think for themselves. Just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean that I lack cognitive function or that I don't "have a brain". In fact, the idea that everyone must agree with you otherwise they "can't think for themselves" actually leads me to believe that you DON'T want everyone to think for themselves, but rather they think just like you and share your opinion. That is very comical.

Am i going to have to get rough with you?.

I'm sure most on this forum can think for themselves. Just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean that I lack cognitive function or that I don't "have a brain". In fact, the idea that everyone must agree with you otherwise they "can't think for themselves" actually leads me to believe that you DON'T want everyone to think for themselves, but rather they think just like you and share your opinion. That is very comical.

 

 

 

When all someone does is take what a 2nd rate new paper publishes as gospel, thats called "not thinking for oneself".

 

read the story the Herald published... its laughable

I'm sure most on this forum can think for themselves. Just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean that I lack cognitive function or that I don't "have a brain". In fact, the idea that everyone must agree with you otherwise they "can't think for themselves" actually leads me to believe that you DON'T want everyone to think for themselves, but rather they think just like you and share your opinion. That is very comical.

 

 

 

When all someone does is take what a 2nd rate new paper publishes as gospel, thats called "not thinking for oneself".

 

read the story the Herald published... its laughable

 

So listening to some 30-something loser chasing baseballs instead of being an adult and taking care of his family in better?

 

Find me one "reputable" source that defends this guy?

I don't need to find a "reputable" source to make judgements on someones character, there fore I won't. I'll wait 'til I have all the facts (we'll never know what truly happened) or until, I don't know, have hung out with someone to call them a "Jerk".

 

What I'm defending is the idea that when a ball is caught by a fan he owns it, call him a "jerk" or whatever you'd like it doesn't matter. His demands weren't steep, and if the marlins it wanted the ball back so badly they should have gone about it in a classier manner. What good does calling this guy a "loser" when neither you nor I have ever met him?

I agree that it certainly should be considered the fan's property and he certainly has the right to not part with it at all, however there are codes of ethics that I feel are applicable here and the fan in question did not adhere to them.

 

If a fan has to topple over three kids to get a batting practice ball (which I am sure this Brewers guy has done multiple times in the past), the ethical decision would be to give it to the kid despite it truly being the 31 year old's property.

 

The same goes for a milestone baseball that certainly won't be worth more than a couple of hundred bucks (anyone who says thousands is out of his mind). The person most interested in the ball is Coghlan. If this Brewers fan wanted to behave ethically and with class, he would have been more reasonable in his demands and his behavior. There have been many classy individuals that have returned milestone balls with little to no demand (I seem to remember the Busch Stadium employee handing McGwire #62 without asking for any compensation, but I could be wrong). Fans who do this are those that truly love the game of baseball and have elements of class. They can be respected.

 

Fans do not have class are those who view the ball as some sort of marketable commodity, try to exploit the player who hit it, behave disceptively, and wear the opposing team's apparel to get tossed BP balls. If this is what the Brewers guy wants to promote, that's his agenda but he should not pretend to possess class and be a fan of the game if this is how he habitually behaves at a ballpark.

 

He was getting trashed on that Brewers board for this stunt and I think it is completely warranted.

Am i going to have to get rough with you?.

 

 

LOL only if you want to...

If a fan has to topple over three kids to get a batting practice ball (which I am sure this Brewers guy has done multiple times in the past), the ethical decision would be to give it to the kid despite it truly being the 31 year old's property.

 

 

 

 

 

but he didn't do that in this case and you don't know if he's ever done that...