Yeah. I'm being a homer. AND LOL at RBIs being a worthless stat. Last season was the first time EVER. The first time EVER and I will repeat one more time The first time EVER that the HR and RBI leader at the AS break didnt make the team. Your Uggla comparisson is a putrid one at best. 2nd for a 2nd basemen in HR and RBI... Whoopdie friggen do. I'm talking the whole league.

 

You know what makes Chase Utley so important? He's a 2B who can hit like he can. The position is extremely important. If he played 1B, he wouldn't be an All-Star starter all the time.

 

And yes, it was the first time ever (I assume, I'm not looking that up). That's because it was the first time someone managed to hit so many homers while having such a sh*tty season.

 

And RBI is a worthless stat for individuals, it's based on other players as much as it's based on the player hitting. The Phillies were a damn good team last year, and as is with damn good teams, they had a lot of baserunners ahead of Howard. Howard had a ton of RBI ops. Last year, to that point, Howard was 2nd in PA with men on and 2st in PA's with RISP.

 

Why dont you look up his avg with risp last season. You know.. The ABs that count for a homerun hitter. and lol again at your nonsensical conclusion that RBIs dont matter.

The only things nonsensical have been your last few posts. You're grasping at straws. You lost all credibility when you decided that Howard should have been an All-Star last season.

 

 

Whatever you say pal. Of course everyone here will agree with you as the 15 other marlins fans will come circle the wagons shortly. You're wrong, I am right that's the bottom line. You're just a disgruntled Phillies hater. Nothing more and nothing less. Keep looking at the game with those teal specs and those sabermetrics.

Yeah. I'm being a homer. AND LOL at RBIs being a worthless stat. Last season was the first time EVER. The first time EVER and I will repeat one more time The first time EVER that the HR and RBI leader at the AS break didnt make the team. Your Uggla comparisson is a putrid one at best. 2nd for a 2nd basemen in HR and RBI... Whoopdie friggen do. I'm talking the whole league.

 

You know what makes Chase Utley so important? He's a 2B who can hit like he can. The position is extremely important. If he played 1B, he wouldn't be an All-Star starter all the time.

 

And yes, it was the first time ever (I assume, I'm not looking that up). That's because it was the first time someone managed to hit so many homers while having such a sh*tty season.

 

And RBI is a worthless stat for individuals, it's based on other players as much as it's based on the player hitting. The Phillies were a damn good team last year, and as is with damn good teams, they had a lot of baserunners ahead of Howard. Howard had a ton of RBI ops. Last year, to that point, Howard was 2nd in PA with men on and 2st in PA's with RISP.

 

Why dont you look up his avg with risp last season. You know.. The ABs that count for a homerun hitter. and lol again at your nonsensical conclusion that RBIs dont matter.

 

The only nonsense here is this whole craziness you're on because a team from Philly finally did something worthwhile. They've been a joke for so long, you seem to believe that because they finally won a world series, that they're entitled to rewards they didn't earn... specifically All-Star appearances. The biggest nonsensical claim made was that the Phillies want to have the "home field advantage" in their own hands... that's not how the All-Star game works, despite what you may think you're entitled to.

 

*cue A Few Good Men Scene*

 

Ryan Howard got snubbed because he wasn't even a top 4 selection at his own position. Boo-hoo... your slugging 1B can't unseat Pujols, Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez this year... or Berkman, A-Gon and Pujols last year.

 

You know who would do real well in Ryan Howard's spot? Mike Jacobs. Another big "all-or-nothing" swing for the fences guy, who would benefit leading the league in RBI opportunities. Just because he's Ryan Howard doesn't grant him RBIs, his team grants him an unspeakable amount of RBIs.

 

"But... but... he hits the ball really far!" you'll say to me... "And, you know nothing about what it means to be a real baseball player" you'll also say to me...

 

Clearly you're not looking in front of your own nose to see why Howard didn't make the all-star team and why tools like Victorino and Werth shouldn't have been put on like they were. It's not about rewarding the WS winners, it's about rewarding players who DESERVE to be there. Victorino may deserve to be there, but not as much as other players do. And Werth deserves it less than Victorino.

 

So, go take your dirty uniforms... and study the backs of your baseball cards... and live in your little world where RBIs and HRs make players what they are... worship your little statues of Dusty Baker and Joe Morgan... I'll live in "reality land"

 

 

 

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

Whatever you say pal. Of course everyone here will agree with you as the 15 other marlins fans will come circle the wagons shortly. You're wrong, I am right that's the bottom line. You're just a disgruntled Phillies hater. Nothing more and nothing less. Keep looking at the game with those teal specs and those sabermetrics.

 

 

/credibility

 

Philly has been and forever will be a joke franchise, in any sport.

PS... I love how we're being "Marlins Homers" and we're not suggesting something asinine... like putting Cody Ross on the team... and Cody (factoring in defense) is pretty much about as valuable as Werth...

Yeah. I'm being a homer. AND LOL at RBIs being a worthless stat. Last season was the first time EVER. The first time EVER and I will repeat one more time The first time EVER that the HR and RBI leader at the AS break didnt make the team. Your Uggla comparisson is a putrid one at best. 2nd for a 2nd basemen in HR and RBI... Whoopdie friggen do. I'm talking the whole league.

 

You know what makes Chase Utley so important? He's a 2B who can hit like he can. The position is extremely important. If he played 1B, he wouldn't be an All-Star starter all the time.

 

And yes, it was the first time ever (I assume, I'm not looking that up). That's because it was the first time someone managed to hit so many homers while having such a sh*tty season.

 

And RBI is a worthless stat for individuals, it's based on other players as much as it's based on the player hitting. The Phillies were a damn good team last year, and as is with damn good teams, they had a lot of baserunners ahead of Howard. Howard had a ton of RBI ops. Last year, to that point, Howard was 2nd in PA with men on and 2st in PA's with RISP.

 

Why dont you look up his avg with risp last season. You know.. The ABs that count for a homerun hitter. and lol again at your nonsensical conclusion that RBIs dont matter.

The only things nonsensical have been your last few posts. You're grasping at straws. You lost all credibility when you decided that Howard should have been an All-Star last season.

 

 

Whatever you say pal. Of course everyone here will agree with you as the 15 other marlins fans will come circle the wagons shortly. You're wrong, I am right that's the bottom line. You're just a disgruntled Phillies hater. Nothing more and nothing less. Keep looking at the game with those teal specs and those sabermetrics.

You're funny. You're just... a homer. Not even your own fans wanted Howard in the ASG last season. I'm infamous among some of my friends for being a fan of Utley and Hamels (in addition to David Wright and Chipper Jones), I've always been an Ibanez fan, I've stated that I've voted for a Brave, a Met, 2 Phillies, and 3 Rays (all rival teams), yet I obviously refuse to give them due credit because I'm a "disgruntled Phillies hater".

 

I can only assume you're sitting there with fingers in your ears going "Lalalalala I can't hear you!".

 

I know you bleed Phillies Red, but I think some of that has seeped into your brain.

So, go take your dirty uniforms... and study the backs of your baseball cards... and live in your little world where RBIs and HRs make players what they are... worship your little statues of Dusty Baker and Joe Morgan... I'll live in "reality land"

 

 

I'm hoping you're referring to Joe Morgan the commentator and not the player....

So, go take your dirty uniforms... and study the backs of your baseball cards... and live in your little world where RBIs and HRs make players what they are... worship your little statues of Dusty Baker and Joe Morgan... I'll live in "reality land"

 

 

I'm hoping you're referring to Joe Morgan the commentator and not the player....

 

 

 

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

I can only assume you're sitting there with fingers in your ears going "Lalalalala I can't hear you!".

 

 

 

You may be giving him too much credit. I may not know much about the FIPhillie outside of what I've read in this topic, but he seems to really think that RBI are an important statistic in evaluating a player, and when presented with the precise reason why they AREN'T, he basically just laughed and actually implied that the reasoning doesn't lead to that conclusion.

 

So, I don't think he's being a stubborn homer so much as he's being really stupid, and failing to grasp logical concepts.

Actually, PWG, Werth deserves it more than Victirino. His season so far is much better than Shane's.

Actually, PWG, Werth deserves it more than Victirino. His season so far is much better than Shane's.

 

 

Regardless, there are more deserving players not in the greater Philadelphia area

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

As for Philly being "Pathetic" The franchise being "pathetic". That's all well and good. Let's talk about the about the "fanbase" you have down there in Miami if we want to start trading insults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now THAT's pathetic.

I also think it's great that Pedroia is going to miss the ASG and Maddon chooses Carlos Pena to replace him which also gives the AL 4 1st baseman but at least Youkillis can play 3rd.

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

 

Oh my god. Here, I'll try it slower.

 

They aren't meaningless, but when you're trying to measure 2 INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS who are both having good seasons, why would you use RBIs which depend on who else from their team gets on base? I mean you can grasp the concept we're talking about here, right? That the same player batting 5th for the Dodgers or RedSox is going to have more RBIs than if he's batting 5th for the Royals or Nationals?

RBIs depend to a large extent on home runs and on how well a guy does with runners on base. I don't understand why people don't understand this.

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

 

Oh my god. Here, I'll try it slower.

 

They aren't meaningless, but when you're trying to measure 2 INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS who are both having good seasons, why would you use RBIs which depend on who else from their team gets on base? I mean you can grasp the concept we're talking about here, right? That the same player batting 5th for the Dodgers or RedSox is going to have more RBIs than if he's batting 5th for the Royals or Nationals?

 

You still need to hit the ball dopey. check howards numbers with RISP last season and get back to me.

I'd say that you're giving all Phillie fans a bad name, but they're Phillie fans. I guess you're just cementing their name.

I'd say that you're giving all Phillie fans a bad name, but they're Phillie fans. I guess you're just cementing their name.

 

 

Nothing to refute what I wrote I guess. Yup, terrible fans. Leading the league in attendance.

I'd say that you're giving all Phillie fans a bad name, but they're Phillie fans. I guess you're just cementing their name.

 

 

Nothing to refute what I wrote I guess. Yup, terrible fans. Leading the league in attendance.

That's not the name they have. No one refutes their passion. But the conception of them is hard headed, bias, and rude.

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

As for Philly being "Pathetic" The franchise being "pathetic". That's all well and good. Let's talk about the about the "fanbase" you have down there in Miami if we want to start trading insults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now THAT's pathetic.

 

 

You started the insult trading, or do you not remember the "15 fans" comment.

 

And, funny thing is... this fanbase has seen expansion, a fire sale, a "market adjustment" and two world series... and still has a fanbase and stadium on the way... all within 16-17 years. Obviously MLB and Miami would have to think there's more than 15 fans out there...

 

And yes, it's widely recognized that Philly :: Championships as Oil :: Water, but hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Laws of averages say Philly had to be good enough at least once every few generations

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

 

You've got to be kidding me. You really...no, it's meaningless arguing with someone who really doesn't know anything at all about baseball. It's astounding actually.

Actually, PWG, Werth deserves it more than Victirino. His season so far is much better than Shane's.

 

 

Regardless, there are more deserving players not in the greater Philadelphia area

 

 

I know, just pointing it out.

Still mad that Sandoval didn't make it. Or Reynolds.

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

As for Philly being "Pathetic" The franchise being "pathetic". That's all well and good. Let's talk about the about the "fanbase" you have down there in Miami if we want to start trading insults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now THAT's pathetic.

 

 

You started the insult trading, or do you not remember the "15 fans" comment.

 

And, funny thing is... this fanbase has seen expansion, a fire sale, a "market adjustment" and two world series... and still has a fanbase and stadium on the way... all within 16-17 years. Obviously MLB and Miami would have to think there's more than 15 fans out there...

 

And yes, it's widely recognized that Philly :: Championships as Oil :: Water, but hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Laws of averages say Philly had to be good enough at least once every few generations

 

 

I kinda look at the marlins 2 championships as "If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it make a sound" Playing off your broken clock deal.

I can only assume you're sitting there with fingers in your ears going "Lalalalala I can't hear you!".

 

 

 

You may be giving him too much credit. I may not know much about the FIPhillie outside of what I've read in this topic, but he seems to really think that RBI are an important statistic in evaluating a player, and when presented with the precise reason why they AREN'T, he basically just laughed and actually implied that the reasoning doesn't lead to that conclusion.

 

So, I don't think he's being a stubborn homer so much as he's being really stupid, and failing to grasp logical concepts.

 

A guy with a nickname "TimeVORP" definitely has learned most of his baseball acumen simulating games on XBOX rather than playing the sport himself. Bravo to the stat nerd. I bet you were really popular in the marching band too.

Yeah you guys are so right. A player with 50RBI is a better run producer than someone with 150. RBI mean nothing. Meaningless stat! Same thing with homeruns. That's right. YEAH! Wooo. That must be that homerism right there coming out.

 

As for Philly being "Pathetic" The franchise being "pathetic". That's all well and good. Let's talk about the about the "fanbase" you have down there in Miami if we want to start trading insults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now THAT's pathetic.

 

 

You started the insult trading, or do you not remember the "15 fans" comment.

 

And, funny thing is... this fanbase has seen expansion, a fire sale, a "market adjustment" and two world series... and still has a fanbase and stadium on the way... all within 16-17 years. Obviously MLB and Miami would have to think there's more than 15 fans out there...

 

And yes, it's widely recognized that Philly :: Championships as Oil :: Water, but hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Laws of averages say Philly had to be good enough at least once every few generations

 

 

I kinda look at the marlins 2 championships as "If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it make a sound" Playing off your broken clock deal.

 

Then what does that make the Phillies championships? You guys have been in excistence longer, yet are tied in rings. If you ask me, that's PATHETIC!

I can only assume you're sitting there with fingers in your ears going "Lalalalala I can't hear you!".

 

 

 

You may be giving him too much credit. I may not know much about the FIPhillie outside of what I've read in this topic, but he seems to really think that RBI are an important statistic in evaluating a player, and when presented with the precise reason why they AREN'T, he basically just laughed and actually implied that the reasoning doesn't lead to that conclusion.

 

So, I don't think he's being a stubborn homer so much as he's being really stupid, and failing to grasp logical concepts.

 

A guy with a nickname "TimeVORP" definitely has learned most of his baseball acumen simulating games on XBOX rather than playing the sport himself. Bravo to the stat nerd. I bet you were really popular in the marching band too.