Allison, 1st round pick and Miller traded for Cabrerra. You need to do better than what we have done in the FO. You can't keep missing on 1st round picks, and trades and expect the team to be a playoff team. This time Beinfest has to get the better of the trades to come, because Cody, Uggla and Cantu together won't garner us what we should have gotten for Cabrerra. That trade with Detroit really will handicap this team for years. You needed to haul in Ft. Knox with that trade and instead you got the gold from Mike's Pawn Shop in downtown Miami. :confused The trade for Hanley was a good one, but its been evened out with the trade of Cabrerra/Willis.

 

Back to square one for the FO.

 

So it's the front office's fault that the Tigers ruined Miller and he didn't pan out and it's the front office's fault that Allison is a drug addict.

 

This logic is precious.

I know WHO they are, it's just a silly notion. Who though Allison was going to go all Josh Hamilton on us?

 

Now our FO doesn't do anything right (not drafting, not trades)? Silly. That Cabrera trade was the best we could do at that moment (our biggest mistake was waiting so long to trade him). Seriously, you're beating this FO on 2 moves. And yeah, all those failed 1st round pick that they never make good on, like 2009 Rookie of the Year Chris Coghlan.

 

Mary Mary, why you buggin'?

 

 

Pretty funny way of putting that.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Uggla and Ross could be traded. Now? No way. We have so much left of the season to play. If we were on a 10 game losing streak, not staying competitive, this topic could be discussed. We lost two games by a thread against two great pitchers right now. We had chances. Leo was one out away from closing the door. Wes was one hit away from winning/tying the ballgame. BTW, stop with the IF these players would've turned out, etc, etc. I'm tired of it. Beinfest has made his mistakes but has made so good decisions too. Maybin and Miller were top prospects. We are lucky at all that we got as much as we did for a player that we wouldn't have been able to sign anyway. Stop the Insanity.

Allison, 1st round pick and Miller traded for Cabrerra. You need to do better than what we have done in the FO. You can't keep missing on 1st round picks, and trades and expect the team to be a playoff team. This time Beinfest has to get the better of the trades to come, because Cody, Uggla and Cantu together won't garner us what we should have gotten for Cabrerra. That trade with Detroit really will handicap this team for years. You needed to haul in Ft. Knox with that trade and instead you got the gold from Mike's Pawn Shop in downtown Miami. :confused The trade for Hanley was a good one, but its been evened out with the trade of Cabrerra/Willis.

 

Back to square one for the FO.

 

So it's the front office's fault that the Tigers ruined Miller and he didn't pan out and it's the front office's fault that Allison is a drug addict.

 

This logic is precious.

 

Miller should not have been considered. Dombrowski duped Beinfest plain and simple. The Allison pick should never have happened. There were players on his high school team that came out later and said he was doing drugs in High School, and if due dilligence had been done by the FO they wouldn't have picked a kid with a drug history and then laid $ 1 million on him. The results were nothing unexpected.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Uggla and Ross could be traded. Now? No way. We have so much left of the season to play. If we were on a 10 game losing streak, not staying competitive, this topic could be discussed. We lost two games by a thread against two great pitchers right now. We had chances. Leo was one out away from closing the door. Wes was one hit away from winning/tying the ballgame. BTW, stop with the IF these players would've turned out, etc, etc. I'm tired of it. Beinfest has made his mistakes but has made so good decisions too. Maybin and Miller were top prospects. We are lucky at all that we got as much as we did for a player that we wouldn't have been able to sign anyway. Stop the Insanity.

 

 

It would have been better tow get compensatory draft picks, than what we got, if we had let him walk. BUt seeing how those draft picks have turned out for Beinfest, who knows. The facts remain, that this team has been and will be handicapped by the fact we didn't clean up in the Cabrerra sweepstakes. Loria will now be forced to buy some bigtime players if he wants to make a splash for the new stadium instead of having 3 stud players that were groomed to open up the new place. Its such a shame.

 

And as stated before, what is competitive about 3 and 7 in your last 10, and losing 4 of the last 5 series, and having a losing record at home ?

 

I know the truth hurts, especially told by a troll. How glib some of you are.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Uggla and Ross could be traded. Now? No way. We have so much left of the season to play. If we were on a 10 game losing streak, not staying competitive, this topic could be discussed. We lost two games by a thread against two great pitchers right now. We had chances. Leo was one out away from closing the door. Wes was one hit away from winning/tying the ballgame. BTW, stop with the IF these players would've turned out, etc, etc. I'm tired of it. Beinfest has made his mistakes but has made so good decisions too. Maybin and Miller were top prospects. We are lucky at all that we got as much as we did for a player that we wouldn't have been able to sign anyway. Stop the Insanity.

 

 

It would have been better tow get compensatory draft picks, than what we got, if we had let him walk. BUt seeing how those draft picks have turned out for Beinfest, who knows. The facts remain, that this team has been and will be handicapped by the fact we didn't clean up in the Cabrerra sweepstakes. Loria will now be forced to buy some bigtime players if he wants to make a splash for the new stadium instead of having 3 stud players that were groomed to open up the new place. Its such a shame.

 

And as stated before, what is competitive about 3 and 7 in your last 10, and losing 4 of the last 5 series, and having a losing record at home ?

 

I know the truth hurts, especially told by a troll. How glib some of you are.

You realize you just contradicted yourself in the first two sentences. And regardless, the chances of the Marlins drafting two top 10 overall prospects in baseball with two compensatory selections is slim to none. And it's not because of Beinfest's draft record. It's because having two top 10 prospects in baseball is extremely rare, especially when those comp picks will be a larger market team probably drafting in the 20-30 range and the compensatory selection would be in the 35-45 range. There was nothing wrong with the thought process of the trade, regardless if it works out or not in the future. Front office evaluations have to include process as well as results. If you want to criticize this at all, you criticize Beinfest not buying out Cabrera's arbitration after the 2004 or 2005 season. That, is the only mistake here. They created the situation where they had to trade him for financial reasons. In a vacuum, the trade wasn't bad giving the circumstances. What's bad is, creating the circumstance where they had to trade him. And if we are looking at how they have learned from that, they just signed Hanley and Johnson to enormous deals. I'd say that's progress.

 

And as stated before, it is stupid to argue competitiveness in an extreme sample size. They have played 27 games, are 1 game under .500, and have a +5 run differential. You have to look at the big picture. If this team is 10 games out of the wild card at the all star break, feel free to be a jerk with these whimsical posts, but until then give it a rest.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Uggla and Ross could be traded. Now? No way. We have so much left of the season to play. If we were on a 10 game losing streak, not staying competitive, this topic could be discussed. We lost two games by a thread against two great pitchers right now. We had chances. Leo was one out away from closing the door. Wes was one hit away from winning/tying the ballgame. BTW, stop with the IF these players would've turned out, etc, etc. I'm tired of it. Beinfest has made his mistakes but has made so good decisions too. Maybin and Miller were top prospects. We are lucky at all that we got as much as we did for a player that we wouldn't have been able to sign anyway. Stop the Insanity.

 

 

It would have been better tow get compensatory draft picks, than what we got, if we had let him walk. BUt seeing how those draft picks have turned out for Beinfest, who knows. The facts remain, that this team has been and will be handicapped by the fact we didn't clean up in the Cabrerra sweepstakes. Loria will now be forced to buy some bigtime players if he wants to make a splash for the new stadium instead of having 3 stud players that were groomed to open up the new place. Its such a shame.

 

And as stated before, what is competitive about 3 and 7 in your last 10, and losing 4 of the last 5 series, and having a losing record at home ?

 

I know the truth hurts, especially told by a troll. How glib some of you are.

You realize you just contradicted yourself in the first two sentences. And regardless, the chances of the Marlins drafting two top 10 overall prospects in baseball with two compensatory selections is slim to none. And it's not because of Beinfest's draft record. It's because having two top 10 prospects in baseball is extremely rare, especially when those comp picks will be a larger market team probably drafting in the 20-30 range and the compensatory selection would be in the 35-45 range. There was nothing wrong with the thought process of the trade, regardless if it works out or not in the future. Front office evaluations have to include process as well as results. If you want to criticize this at all, you criticize Beinfest not buying out Cabrera's arbitration after the 2004 or 2005 season. That, is the only mistake here. They created the situation where they had to trade him for financial reasons. In a vacuum, the trade wasn't bad giving the circumstances. What's bad is, creating the circumstance where they had to trade him. And if we are looking at how they have learned from that, they just signed Hanley and Johnson to enormous deals. I'd say that's progress.

 

And as stated before, it is stupid to argue competitiveness in an extreme sample size. They have played 27 games, are 1 game under .500, and have a +5 run differential. You have to look at the big picture. If this team is 10 games out of the wild card at the all star break, feel free to be a jerk with these whimsical posts, but until then give it a rest.

 

Amen!

Back to the matter at hand, last nights game. It is one of the rare occasions where I am going to lay the blame for the defeat with Hanley Ramirez. Down by 2, with no outs and bases loaded in the 8th and he strikes out pathetically on 3 straight pitches. He has been on a tear of late but that at-bat was rather awful.

Back to the matter at hand, last nights game. It is one of the rare occasions where I am going to lay the blame for the defeat with Hanley Ramirez. Down by 2, with no outs and bases loaded in the 8th and he strikes out pathetically on 3 straight pitches. He has been on a tear of late but that at-bat was rather awful.

 

 

Trader Jack would agree with you.