Fish Dynasty, did you just compare The Washington Post to Limbaugh and Beck?

Fish Dynasty, did you just compare The Washington Post to Limbaugh and Beck?

 

 

 

What?

 

When do you think I did that?

as MSNBC doesn't have one prime-time commentator that isn't liberal.

 

 

Can you fill me in on who Fox News has as a commentator during primetime that is not a conservative?

 

At least MSNBC has Morning Joe with a former Republican congressman who still very much calls himself a conservative. There is no equivalent on Fox.

MSNBC is not nearly as liberal as Fox News is conservative. Only a conservative would scapegoat MSNBC like that imo...

 

Yeah MSNBC is definitely liberal... but all you need is 10 minutes of Glenn Beck...

as MSNBC doesn't have one prime-time commentator that isn't liberal.

 

 

Can you fill me in on who Fox News has as a commentator during primetime that is not a conservative?

 

At least MSNBC has Morning Joe with a former Republican congressman who still very much calls himself a conservative. There is no equivalent on Fox.

 

Joe isn't on in Primetime. A Fox equivalent would be Geraldo Rivera, except Geraldo is far more prominent a journalist / media personality than Scarborough and has far more segments on other shows than Joe does.

I think both networks use whatever news they actually report as a spring board to continue discussing and constructing their respective narratives.

 

The only difference I see between the two of them is that Fox News is far more effective, mostly because they appear to be more coherent top to bottom.

 

There's no serious dissent on either network, the only time there is it is in the form of caricatures of the other side that serve to reinforce their points. It's partially because nobody receives any benefit from representing on opposing viewpoint on either one because they'll be shouted down or marginalized.

 

MSNBC isn't any different in their aims than FNC, they just aren't as effective.

Joe isn't on in Primetime. A Fox equivalent would be Geraldo Rivera, except Geraldo is far more prominent a journalist / media personality than Scarborough and has far more segments on other shows than Joe does.

 

 

When does Geraldo at Large air? I'm honestly having trouble finding it on his website.

 

Geraldo is really more of a journalist than commentator, which is what he said. Scarborough is a legitimate republican who hosts a major commentary program on MSNBC. I maintain that there is no equivalent on Fox, i do not think geraldo is not an equivalent in this sense. The only issue he ever seems to come out strongly on is immigration.

At least they have occasional debates on CNBC, plus Erin Burnett and Rebecca Jarvis :drool

Having Tucker Carlson is never a defense of anything.

The only people on Fox who are really abrasive and "in your face" conservatives are Beck, O'Reilly, and Hannity. Geraldo, Cavuto, and Greta are definitely on the conservative side of things but are pretty well mannered.

 

Meanwhile MSNBC's line-up consisting of Matthews, Schulz, Olbermann, Maddow, and O'Donnell are all of the "in your face variety," which means that the really only mild tempered liberal they have in their line-up is Ratigan, and he doesn't even air in prime time.

 

Of the two networks, I would say unquestionably that MSNBC is more one-sided and abrasive in its editorial programming. Of course, Fox still gets singled out because it's had this model longer and has been a whipping boy in the Hollywood/pop culture arena, which tends to lean to the left.

 

 

I disagree... and for the record the whole 'in your face' thing for Beck is miles ahead of any name you mentioned for both networks. Regardless, I do not see myself as particularly liberal or conservative (perhaps economically slightly more conservative).

 

There's nothing more extreme than Fox News. There really isnt. MSNBC doesnt touch it. Honestly, that's an unbiased opinion. I really dont care about liberals or conservatives. I do hate when people are in your face about their views though, and you get that a ton more on Fox.

Rush Limbaugh just said Barrack Obama and liberals think America is "the Great Satan."

 

God, I hope whoever said that is wrong and he doesn't represent most conservatives. Because that is an indefensibly false statement that caters to no reason or sanity.

MSNBC is not nearly as liberal as Fox News is conservative. Only a conservative would scapegoat MSNBC like that imo...

 

Yeah MSNBC is definitely liberal... but all you need is 10 minutes of Glenn Beck...

 

I assume you have never seen Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman. Olberman makes Glen Beck look sane and well adjusted. Maddow is just arguably the most ignorant pundit on television. She has never had an educated or original thought come out of her brain cavity.

MSNBC is not nearly as liberal as Fox News is conservative. Only a conservative would scapegoat MSNBC like that imo...

 

Yeah MSNBC is definitely liberal... but all you need is 10 minutes of Glenn Beck...

 

I assume you have never seen Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman. Olberman makes Glen Beck look sane and well adjusted. Maddow is just arguably the most ignorant pundit on television. She has never had an educated or original thought come out of her brain cavity.

 

Hey, you're not allowed to use that word against liberal pundits.

MSNBC is not nearly as liberal as Fox News is conservative. Only a conservative would scapegoat MSNBC like that imo...

 

Yeah MSNBC is definitely liberal... but all you need is 10 minutes of Glenn Beck...

 

I assume you have never seen Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman. Olberman makes Glen Beck look sane and well adjusted. Maddow is just arguably the most ignorant pundit on television. She has never had an educated or original thought come out of her brain cavity.

 

This post is literally dripping with irony. I'm going to need a bucket to collect all of it.

If you are referring to the way I post, oh well. Doesnt change the fact that your beloved MSNBC makes Fox News look almost politically neutral by comparison.

 

Olberman would be right at home in Kim Jong Il's North Korea.

My beloved MSNBC?

 

You're no good at being smart. Like, you're really, really bad at it.

It's fine to disagree, but you are doing nothing to support your opinion. You are making a pretty empty argument here. Based on your empty accusations, I'm highly skeptical that you are making an unbiased claim and am more suspicious that you just don't care for Beck and the whole network in general.

 

As I said already, MSNBC's entire nightly line-up is extremely partisan. So how exactly is Fox more biased?

 

It's a case of three biased pundits versus five. Or are you going to say that Cavuto, Greta, and Geraldo are as biased as the MSNBC five and Beck and O'Reilly are?

 

Fox's entire primetime lineup is not dedicated to mud slinging but MSNBC's is. Explain specifically how Fox is more biased of the two.

 

 

It's an opinion more than anything else. Sure, you can go on and argue this and that from all of the garbage that comes out of both of the networks, but in the end it's the fact that a small handfull on Fox enjoy grabbing the wrong-stick and smacking people left and right. While MSNBC certainly has a liberal agenda, Fox has an agressive conservative agenda. And that's probably because we have a very liberal government at the moment.

 

There's nothing that's more annoying than sarcasm or obnoxiousness in the face of others (i.e. "Hah you're so stupid look everybody he thinks that this is going to work what a moron! Point and laugh!")

My beloved MSNBC?

 

You're no good at being smart. Like, you're really, really bad at it.

 

My bad.

Again, you are making these claims but not backing them up some so it's completely comical that you said earlier that you were making an "unbiased opinion." At least now you are saying that it's just an "opinion."

 

How is MSNBC less biased when they mathematically trump Fox in terms of mudslinging pundits within their nightly lineup? If you cannot justify your opinion with evidence and reason, clearly you are speaking out of political bias (and thus have a greater affinity toward MSNBC).

 

Yeah, you caught me. I'm an in the closet liberal. I love MSNBC.

 

Since when was the feeling someone gets towards a news channel something they need to back up?

 

Example situation:

 

Dr Beinfest: That brunette who just walked by is really hot. Hotter than her blonde friend for sure.

 

el penguino: You have no factual evidence to support that! Thus, it's comical!

 

I'm may or may not be particular to blondes or brunettes. My opinion on how the two females portray themselves is solely my own (and granted one of them is not substantially uglier than the other, that should be understandable.)

 

It's an opinion. It's unbiased, because I really dont associate my taste in women by their hair color. Just like I dont associate my political stance necessarily liberal or conservative.

WellI can at least thank you for being relatively respectful, and I understand what you're saying.

 

It's more or less that I just dont like to get into it and spark an even further debate. You're right, there needs to be stuff to support it, but then that stuff is equally opinion related and can be debated.

 

Really, what draws the fine line between the two networks is the fact that MSNBC doesnt have nearly the same kind of character as Glen Beck. He's annoying, he pisses me off, I cant stand him. Everyone else we've been talking about... on both networks... I probably dont like. But I hate Beck. It's not the content that makes them necessarily more conservative, it's the manner it is delivered in... that smug 'lol you're wrong' that is just... awful. To a point where MSNBC throws the pie at your face but FOX smothers you with it.

WellI can at least thank you for being relatively respectful, and I understand what you're saying.

 

It's more or less that I just dont like to get into it and spark an even further debate. You're right, there needs to be stuff to support it, but then that stuff is equally opinion related and can be debated.

 

Really, what draws the fine line between the two networks is the fact that MSNBC doesnt have nearly the same kind of character as Glen Beck. He's annoying, he pisses me off, I cant stand him. Everyone else we've been talking about... on both networks... I probably dont like. But I hate Beck. It's not the content that makes them necessarily more conservative, it's the manner it is delivered in... that smug 'lol you're wrong' that is just... awful. To a point where MSNBC throws the pie at your face but FOX smothers you with it.

 

 

Olbermann is every bit as smug and smarmy as Beck, and throws in a great deal more rage ranting into the mix as well. Olbermann is a complete douche.

Now we're judging people's characters. I personally think there's nothing worse in the media today than Glen Beck. Olbermann isn't close.

Now we're judging people's characters. I personally think there's nothing worse in the media today than Glen Beck. Olbermann isn't close.

 

 

Olbermann fabricates and spends much of his show on gotcha moments.

as MSNBC doesn't have one prime-time commentator that isn't liberal.

 

 

Can you fill me in on who Fox News has as a commentator during primetime that is not a conservative?

 

At least MSNBC has Morning Joe with a former Republican congressman who still very much calls himself a conservative. There is no equivalent on Fox.

 

 

Shepard Smith rarely (if ever) gives an opinion, and he is definitely no conservative. No matter how much the left tries to portray him as Hitler, Bill O'Reilly gives several opinions that differ from the average right-wing one, and FN also has guys like Geraldo, etc.

 

From Ed Schultz to Chris Matthews to Keith Olbermann to Rachel Maddow to Lawrence O'Donnell (which is, in fact, their entire prime-time lineup), you get the same thing on MSNBC. The only difference is that while guys like Ed Schultz are nut-jobs, at least hosts like Olbermann and Maddow are not mentally insane.

 

Not to mention that even though the majority of hosts on FN have a conservative bias, at least they will bring on some liberal guests. There are very few, if any, conservative guests on MSNBC. And when they do have some, they like to bring on guys like Pat Buchanan on so they can pretend like every conseravtive is a right-wing nut.

 

 

By the way, I have been away for a few days, so that's why I am able to respond to them now.

MSNBC is not nearly as liberal as Fox News is conservative. Only a conservative would scapegoat MSNBC like that imo...

 

Yeah MSNBC is definitely liberal... but all you need is 10 minutes of Glenn Beck...

 

 

 

Not exactly. For example:

 

http://www.journalism.org/node/8187