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Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez indicated that Hanley Ramirez could be moved down in the lineup once he has a better option.

"And maybe before you guys ask about Hanley, he will stay there in the third hole until we get another option," Rodriguez said. "There are not too many options." Rodriguez could get an option by Friday in the form of Logan Morrison, who could be activated from the DL that day. Hanley, who is hitting only .195/.295/.265 with one home run on the season, could then slide down to the No. 6 or 7 spot.

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

 

Always loved him lead off. I wouldn't say he as a bad three hitter when hes on though, hes pretty good.

 

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard Josh Friedman on 790 talking with Cliff Floyd. He said Loria absolutely loves Hanley. Earlier in the season Hanley made a nice diving play and Loria was boasting about how it was the greatest play hes seen in 50 years of watching baseball. I kinda doubt Loria has any say in the lineup but I doubt he wants his superstar hitting 7th.

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

 

Always loved him lead off. I wouldn't say he as a bad three hitter when hes on though, hes pretty good.

 

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard Josh Friedman on 790 talking with Cliff Floyd. He said Loria absolutely loves Hanley. Earlier in the season Hanley made a nice diving play and Loria was boasting about how it was the greatest play hes seen in 50 years of watching baseball. I kinda doubt Loria has any say in the lineup but I doubt he wants his superstar hitting 7th.

 

I doubt Loria wants his team losing because they are getting almost no production out of the 3 hole either. Besides, there is no way Hanley would be a permanent 7th hitter here, and any move could be made to justify trying to get Hanley back on track.

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Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez indicated that Hanley Ramirez could be moved down in the lineup once he has a better option.

"And maybe before you guys ask about Hanley, he will stay there in the third hole until we get another option," Rodriguez said. "There are not too many options." Rodriguez could get an option by Friday in the form of Logan Morrison, who could be activated from the DL that day. Hanley, who is hitting only .195/.295/.265 with one home run on the season, could then slide down to the No. 6 or 7 spot.

 

 

 

So far I am pretty pleased with Edwin and he is a much better manager than Freddi is imo.. NO PINTO FREDDI!

 

We are winning games and although I don't always agree with flying through relievers, especially with 2 outs, I understand it's part of the game.

 

 

Hanley isn't hitting, most likely LoMo will when he comes back either move Hanley to the lead off spot or move him to 7th, also I am not totally against Hanley hitting 7th, if and when he starts to hit the ball it would provide a pretty balanced line up all around.

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

That's wrong, actually. Hanley is a really good #3 hitter. Over the past three seasons, his OPS is .906.

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From Rotworld:

 

Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez indicated that Hanley Ramirez could be moved down in the lineup once he has a better option.

"And maybe before you guys ask about Hanley, he will stay there in the third hole until we get another option," Rodriguez said. "There are not too many options." Rodriguez could get an option by Friday in the form of Logan Morrison, who could be activated from the DL that day. Hanley, who is hitting only .195/.295/.265 with one home run on the season, could then slide down to the No. 6 or 7 spot.

 

 

 

So far I am pretty pleased with Edwin and he is a much better manager than Freddi is imo.. NO PINTO FREDDI!

 

We are winning games and although I don't always agree with flying through relievers, especially with 2 outs, I understand it's part of the game.

 

 

Hanley isn't hitting, most likely LoMo will when he comes back either move Hanley to the lead off spot or move him to 7th, also I am not totally against Hanley hitting 7th, if and when he starts to hit the ball it would provide a pretty balanced line up all around.

 

7th just seems like wayyyy too far down the line for Hanley to be demoted. I can see LoMo third when he comes back but I dont like 7th for Hanley. Leadoff, maybe... but considering we wouldn't need Boni, what about Hanley 2nd as a temporary thing? I know he's not a great guy for the 2 hole but whats wrong with just putting him there as a temporary fix until his average comes up?

 

Coghlan

Hanley

Morrison

Sanchez

Stanton

Dobbs/Buck

Buck/Boni

Infante

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I had a thought here but I scratched it, I am torn between who to put on the bench between Dobbs and Boni maybe just have an every other day type deal or "days off" that at least will give us one sure hitter off the bench (more realistically Dobbs) Better hitter than Boni and Boni can create more if he is in the starting lineup with his speed, imo. I have also thought about Edwin putting Infante on the bench but i guess that really wasn't the point of getting him, he has been hitting the ball better and he is a sure defender.

 

Most realistically due to Infante playing

 

Hanley - OBP (If he remains patient there will be some value to this, plus him not having in the back of his mind, I need to hit an 800 foot home run batting 3rd. and late in games, has he ever done well batting late in games?)

Cogs - OBP

LoMo* - Average + Power

Gaby* - Average + Power

Stanton* - Power

Dobbs/Boni - Average

Infante - ? (Another guy to get on base)

Buck - Power

P

 

* = Don't Move

 

EDIT:

 

This is assuming:

 

Infante continue to raise his batting average I think .275 is a good number to shoot for.

Buck continues to hit the occasional Home Run.

Hanley continues to slack into June (I have a feeling this might be one of those first half/ second half years for him)

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

That's wrong, actually. Hanley is a really good #3 hitter. Over the past three seasons, his OPS is .906.

 

Which shows that he is a good hitter. Not that his ideal position in the lineup is third or that he does everything he should in that position. Even last year, when he had an OPS of .853, he only batted .252 with RISP, much lower than his overall average of .300.

 

Also, Hanley's career OPS out of the leadoff spot has been better than his in the 3 hole, despite his fine 2008 season.

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

That's wrong, actually. Hanley is a really good #3 hitter. Over the past three seasons, his OPS is .906.

 

Which shows that he is a good hitter. Not that his ideal position in the lineup is third or that he does everything he should in that position. Even last year, when he had an OPS of .853, he only batted .252 with RISP, much lower than his overall average of .300.

 

Also, Hanley's career OPS out of the leadoff spot has been better than his in the 3 hole, despite his fine 2008 season.

 

 

Good stuff, and the point of this all is he's not doing anything in the 3rd spot this year, now it might not have anything to do with his positioning in the lineup and more his, (stance, over swinging, etc.)

If he has been better hitting and getting on base batting first why not let him lead off, I have nothing wrong with that, especially considering it has worked before.

 

Bold: I had forgotten how bad he was with RISP last year, I didn't want to remember seems like it's something different every year with Hanley hopefully he figures things out.

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Hanley isn't all that great of a third batter even when he is not having the slump he is having now. I've campaigned numerous times for him to be moved, but now its more obvious than ever.

 

That's wrong, actually. Hanley is a really good #3 hitter. Over the past three seasons, his OPS is .906.

 

Which shows that he is a good hitter. Not that his ideal position in the lineup is third or that he does everything he should in that position. Even last year, when he had an OPS of .853, he only batted .252 with RISP, much lower than his overall average of .300.

 

Also, Hanley's career OPS out of the leadoff spot has been better than his in the 3 hole, despite his fine 2008 season.

 

Hanley's OPS is .200 points higher this season with RISP than all other situations.

 

And why is that? Because hitting with RISP is not a skill!

 

Also, he batted .252 with RISP last year, but his OPS was only .002 lower, which means he walked and hit for way more power than he otherwise did. So yeah, he was just as productive with RISP as without.

 

WEE!

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I wouldn't move Hanley to the 1 or 2 spots in the order until he proves he can get on base consistently and gets back on track.

Look at Carl Crawford he was just moved to the 7th and 8th spots in the order and seems to be improving. Get Hanley hitting 6th or 7th and hopefully he gets back to stroking so we can get him in the top of the order again.

 

By the All Star Break I'd love to have the lineup of:

Hanley SS

Coghlan CF

LoMo LF

Gaby 1B

Stanton RF

Buck C

Dobbs/Helms/Murphy/Bonifacio 3B

Infante 2B

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