Well, if we want that #1 draft pic, we better suck more. Looks like the Astros will fight us hard for the race to the bottom. They are not exactly AAA material either.

 

Doesn't matter whether we have the #1 pick. Either Beinfest/hill will screw up the pick or Loria won't pony up for the bonus.

 

You still don't get it. Without a change in ownership, this franchise is doomed to fail.

“Eventually things are going to turn,� Dunn said. “This team is way better than the record we have right now. We’re in 95 percent of these games. It’s unbelievable the way we’re finding ways [to lose].�

 

Kind of true considering we've lost 10 games by 2 runs or less.

 

Dunn is right. We could easily be something like 16 and 8 with some timely hits.

Ok, maybe not THAT much better, but better than 5-19.

At this point, a Marlin fan has to root for historic failure. Ownership cannot justify a fire sale (especially one that doesn't generate the best prospects in baseball in return) by claiming that there is no difference between finishing last with a league-average payroll and finishing last with a league-lowest payroll. A '62 Mets-like season will bring out some sort of real reaction (ranging from the firing of Beinfest and Hill to potential intervention by Selig or the players union).

 

 

 

these echo my sentiments, though i would add that the fundamental problem is loria himself; removing beinfest and hill would be to treat the symptoms and not the disease. but i agree that the best hope for marlin fans is a year (or two) of historically poor on-field performance coupled with a year (or two) of abysmally low attendance, to serve as the impetus for loria's removal. of course, even that's no guarantee that he can be forced/cajoled/coaxed/persuaded to leave. but the fact remains, this team cannot succeed with him steering the ship. he has poisoned his relationship with fans and players (and managers), and you simply cannot produce a successful product when that relationship is severed. that the remaining fans engage in earnest discussion about the haul the marlins could receive for stanton--a 23-year-old phenom who hasn't even hit his arbitration years--is as telltale a sign as any that this team has no future.

 

the thread on when we're going to be competitive again is amusing. "2015. no, 2016." this year will mark the tenth year in a row the marlins will miss the postseason, and still the true believers think playoff contention is just around the corner.

 

the foundation is rotted. you need to knock it down and start from scratch (and by that i don't mean another firesale).

Agreed, without major management changes we're in for another decade of the same garbage

We now hold the record of 5-19, something even the most cynical among us would have never guessed.

 

speak for yourself

Are you saying you expected this kind of record? Come on now

 

Yup.

 

And you can look up my old posts.

 

And here is another prediction. None of the guys we got in the Blue Jays trade will be anything more than league average players. And that is best-case scenario.

 

At this point, a Marlin fan has to root for historic failure. Ownership cannot justify a fire sale (especially one that doesn't generate the best prospects in baseball in return) by claiming that there is no difference between finishing last with a league-average payroll and finishing last with a league-lowest payroll. A '62 Mets-like season will bring out some sort of real reaction (ranging from the firing of Beinfest and Hill to potential intervention by Selig or the players union).

 

 

 

 

Nicolino and Alvarez will be better than league average. It's early to tell but Desclafani looks pretty good too. So there's 3/5 of your future rotation. Throw in Fernandez and there's 4/5.

 

Yelich and Dietrich are both studs and both have .850+ OPS potential.

 

I agree with you on Hechavarria. I don't think he's much more than league average offensively. If it were me, I'd offer up Stanton for both Mike Olt and Jurickson Profar. Yeah, we lose Stanton's power and everyone's favorite player but with Dietrich and Yelich, we won't miss either of those things much. Give Profar SS, Olt 3B.

 

So there's your future LF, 2B, SS, 3B, and 4/5 of the rotation filled with above average players.

 

Brantly will be an above average catcher offensively. You have to remember this is a guy who only spent two full seasons in the minors and was moved back and forth between levels like mad because Detroit has no idea how to handle prospects. He will be fine. He's also above average throwing runners out.

 

That's five positions and 4/5 of the rotation with above league average talent.

 

If that one trade happens and all of those prospects play out how they're supposed to, this team is in playoff contention by 2015 without much else being done. We could even fill the rest of the positions with replacement players and be competitive.

 

Decades of failure? I doubt it.

“Eventually things are going to turn,� Dunn said. “This team is way better than the record we have right now. We’re in 95 percent of these games. It’s unbelievable the way we’re finding ways [to lose].�

 

Kind of true considering we've lost 10 games by 2 runs or less.

 

 

"2 runs or less" means nothing. this is baseball.

yesterday there was 15 games played. 8 of them were lost by 2 runs or less

the day before there were 14 games played. 7 of them were lost by 2 runs or less.

the day before there were 12 games played. 6 of them were lost by 2 runs or less.

the day before there were 14 games played. 10 of them were lost by 2 runs or less.

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