August 16, 201412 yr Cespedes (Pretty good), Chapman(unreal) look very good too. An average outfielder with an arm, Mark Kotsay and a Middle reliever when they paid for a starter. Yup, both teams got their money's worth.
August 16, 201412 yr What in the world are you guys talking about! Abreu was KNOWN to be a sure thing major league bat! They were not too sure of where to play him. Im not saying this because im Cuban, but Cuba is one of the most advanced countries in baseball. It is a living and a passion. Even more so than yes Dominican Republic. The only reason this wasnt known before is because Fidel would block them from leaving before. Id PAY BIG for established Cuban players. They are worth it! I'm Cuban too, but you don't throw that money at those players- it's too much for such an unproven thing. Potential is not concrete for a 50MM investment.
August 16, 201412 yr An average outfielder with an arm, Mark Kotsay and a Middle reliever when they paid for a starter. Yup, both teams got their money's worth. WTF are you talking about. Did you just call Chapman a middle reliever? And Cespedes is one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball and has a huge power bat. He is gonna thrive in Fenway.
August 16, 201412 yr I'm Cuban too, but you don't throw that money at those players- it's too much for such an unproven thing. Potential is not concrete for a 50MM investment. They are only unproven to you. Its not like anybody is throwing 50 million at guys they have never seen play.
August 17, 201412 yr WTF are you talking about. Did you just call Chapman a middle reliever? And Cespedes is one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball and has a huge power bat. He is gonna thrive in Fenway. Yes, yes I did. Chapman was a middle reliever and Mark Kotsay once had the same pop as Cespedes. So did Reggie Ambercrombie. Feel like taking part in a little experiment?
August 17, 201412 yr They are only unproven to you. Its not like anybody is throwing 50 million at guys they have never seen play. Actually, for the most part they haven't. Controlled "tryouts" where the players show off their skills is not "playing". Some exhibition WBC games are not enough.
August 17, 201412 yr It seems all the Cuban names they've hyped up have become pretty good. Not great superstars, but definitely a good addition to any ball club . I think teams have more then enough scouting on these guys to throw a big amount of money at them.
August 17, 201412 yr Actually, for the most part they haven't. Controlled "tryouts" where the players show off their skills is not "playing". Some exhibition WBC games are not enough. There is a league in Cuba. You are flat out wrong on this. If you think anybody is getting paid 50 mill without a strong inclination that they have what it takes you're moronic. There are a lot of players in cuba, you think they just take the guys who stand out in the few game WBC? Chapman was a huge prospect because he threw a ridiculous speed very rarely seen and Puig and Cespedes were ridiculous as well. WTF are you talking about?
August 17, 201412 yr Cespedes (Pretty good), Chapman(unreal) look very good too. Cespedes is not "pretty good".
August 17, 201412 yr Cespedes is not "pretty good". yes he is. 25 hr's a year, .786 career ops and great defensively. and he will only get better going from the park in oakland to fenway.
August 17, 201412 yr WTF are you talking about. Did you just call Chapman a middle reliever? And Cespedes is one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball and has a huge power bat. He is gonna thrive in Fenway. Cespedes is not one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. He is a mediocre outfielder with a good arm.
August 17, 201412 yr yes he is. 25 hr's a year, .786 career ops and great defensively. and he will only get better going from the park in oakland to fenway. He had a good rookie year. He has been nothing special since then.
August 17, 201412 yr Cespedes is not one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball. He is a mediocre outfielder with a good arm. Great arm is a big part of being a great defensive outfielder. He might not be "one of the best" but his arm is incredible and he is a middle of the order bat any team would like to have. 1.2 war defensively this year.
August 17, 201412 yr He had a good rookie year. He has been nothing special since then. He has been very solid this year too. Last year he wasn't great obviously but he was in one of the worst ballparks in the league. He is going to mash in fenway. He would be the 2nd best hitter we have.
August 17, 201412 yr There is a league in Cuba. You are flat out wrong on this. If you think anybody is getting paid 50 mill without a strong inclination that they have what it takes you're moronic. There are a lot of players in cuba, you think they just take the guys who stand out in the few game WBC? Chapman was a huge prospect because he threw a ridiculous speed very rarely seen and Puig and Cespedes were ridiculous as well. WTF are you talking about? You think scouts go to Cuba? Often? You must be moronic.
August 17, 201412 yr Cespedes 162 game average- 30 HR's, 103 RBI's, .787 OPS. Do you want to play my little fucking game or what dipshit? Answer my fucking question hanramJR. Do you want to play a god damn game?
August 17, 201412 yr You think scouts go to Cuba? Often? You must be moronic. no but if you think they are basing $50 million investments with only the WBC and a hope you are moronic.
August 17, 201412 yr The first thing to remember is that every time a team signs a big-money Cuban player, someone from another team says that it badly overpaid. The second thing to remember is that, at least so far, history has proved that it actually got a bargain. If Puig were a free agent today, there's no way you could sign him for $42 million. Same goes for Abreu ($68 million), Cespedes ($36 million), Chapman ($30.25 million) and especially Ramirez (whose original 2007 deal with the White Sox was for only $4.75 million for four years). Even a lesser-known Cuban like Padres pitcher Odrisamer Despaigne has been well worth the $1 million that the San Diego Padres spent on him. In fact, in the recent wave that has seen 19 Cubans play in the major leagues this season (the most in recent memory), it's hard to find a big-money Cuban signing that hasn't worked out. But are there really more to come? "I would say no," said one baseball executive who has worked in the international market. "But then a lot of people didn't think Abreu would do what he's done." The better answer is that yes, there are players who could come here and potentially create the excitement that Puig, Abreu, Cespedes and the others have brought to the big leagues. But at least right now, people who know Cuban baseball best believe that the best remaining established players on the island are unlikely to leave.
August 17, 201412 yr Answer my fucking question hanramJR. Do you want to play a god damn game? I have no clue what you are talking about.
August 17, 201412 yr Theoretically, it wouldn't be that tough to go to Cuba to watch players, especially for scouts holding passports from countries other than the U.S. Get on a plane from the Dominican Republic or Mexico, take a seat in the ballpark and watch. "Don't dress too nice, and you'll fit right in," said one scout. Some international scouts assume that other teams have had scouts go to Cuba, although none would admit that his organization had done it (it's against MLB rules), and some others said they doubt anyone has. It is possible to get statistics from the Cuban league and try to analyze them—they are less accurate than using stats from Japan or Korea but more accurate than using amateur stats here, one scout said—and it's even possible to watch a few Cuban league games that are shown on satellite television. Sometimes, the only hope is YouTube. Bleacher report article.
August 17, 201412 yr The Giants, Dodgers, A's, Yankees, Reds, Rangers, Philadelphia Phillies,Chicago Cubs and other teams regularly scout all the Cuban teams. Bleacher report article.
August 17, 201412 yr I have no clue what you are talking about. Do you Want to play a fucking game- it's pretty fucking clear. It's called, let's see how much of a moron FishFan14 is.
August 17, 201412 yr Cespedes 162 game average- 30 HR's, 103 RBI's, .787 OPS. And if you take that ridiculous rookie year out of it, those #s across the board drop significantly. Statistically, he would be the fourth best outfielder...on the Marlins...this year. Cespedes is not very good no matter how hard you wish it to be so.
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