August 16, 201412 yr This has been going through my mind everyday since the All Star break but just imagine if Loria had actually opened up the check book a bit more and signed a guy like Jose Abreu to bat right behind Stanton...Jesus. And if we had a healthy Jose Fernandez, we would easily be one of the wild card teams. But of course, this is only my imagination talking.
August 16, 201412 yr Its too hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet, its not as hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet for a season and then immediately slams it shut and trades away the players he opened it for in the first place!
August 16, 201412 yr I would be happy if we start getting into the market for these cuban players already. We were in on Cespedes, Chapman, Abreu and others and not one has failed yet. Plus most of the times these guys are major league ready already. Even a guy like Alex Guerrero looks incredible in AAA before Olivo ate him.
August 16, 201412 yr We did get Hechavarria. I know you're joking but I'm talking about signing guys directly out of cuba. The fact that we haven't had one is a little sad.
August 16, 201412 yr Its too hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet, its not as hard to imagine a Loria that opens his wallet for a season and then immediately slams it shut and trades away the players he opened it for in the first place! Couldn't have said it better.... Thats what makes it hard to remain a Marlins fan. It's a vicious circle- fall in love with the players, have a great season, then they're all traded away.
August 16, 201412 yr I would be happy if we start getting into the market for these cuban players already. We were in on Cespedes, Chapman, Abreu and others and not one has failed yet. Plus most of the times these guys are major league ready already. Even a guy like Alex Guerrero looks incredible in AAA before Olivo ate him. the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good
August 16, 201412 yr the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good I agree. I'd gladly take Abreu but I don't think Cespedes would start over any of our current outfielders.
August 16, 201412 yr the only one on your list I would want is abreau. Chapman is a really expensive reliever and cespedes is expensive and not very good So you're telling me you wouldn't want him?
August 16, 201412 yr Loria will have to open his checkbook this offseason. No fan no matter how loyal can go through another firesale. With a few moves this team can be great for years to come. It is time!
August 16, 201412 yr Loria will have to open his checkbook this offseason. No fan no matter how loyal can go through another firesale. With a few moves this team can be great for years to come. It is time! So it's either spend big or have a fire sale? There's no middle ground? Ok then.
August 16, 201412 yr So it's either spend big or have a fire sale? There's no middle ground? Ok then. The Stanton decision is actually going to be a pretty good indicator.
August 16, 201412 yr Middle ground as in make no moves and try to get better through the farm system?
August 16, 201412 yr I know you're joking but I'm talking about signing guys directly out of cuba. The fact that we haven't had one is a little sad. Throw 50mm to a guy fresh off a boat in a new country facing elite competition? Sure why not. I mean, it's not like it's known these Cubans are future all stars: instead of guys with no position (Abreu), No seasoning (puig), need minor league coaching (chapman) , no plate discipline (cespedes) or just not very impressive (Hechevarria). All of them have pretty big question marks, why take the gamble of paying a bust more than 20 guys on your roster
August 16, 201412 yr Throw 50mm to a guy fresh off a boat in a new country facing elite competition? Sure why not. I mean, it's not like it's known these Cubans are future all stars: instead of guys with no position (Abreu), No seasoning (puig), need minor league coaching (chapman) , no plate discipline (cespedes) or just not very impressive (Hechevarria). All of them have pretty big question marks, why take the gamble of paying a bust more than 20 guys on your roster Because if they evaluated the talent correctly they could see that these guys can become very valuable players.
August 16, 201412 yr Because if they evaluated the talent correctly they could see that these guys can become very valuable players. No one evaluated them correctly. They overvalued them, but did not evaluate correctly.
August 16, 201412 yr Didn't they make a very competitive offer of like 50 million? For Abreu? I believe so. Maybe a little more than that.
August 16, 201412 yr Didn't they make a very competitive offer of like 50 million? Yup, overvalued him. Just because he was Cuban. If he were Panamanian or Mexican with the same skills and same name and apperance with the same resume in the Cuban Leagues and WBC he would have gotten 10mm total as a free agent. And I like the guy.
August 16, 201412 yr Yup, overvalued him. Just because he was Cuban. If he were Panamanian or Mexican with the same skills and same name and apperance with the same resume in the Cuban Leagues and WBC he would have gotten 10mm total as a free agent. And I like the guy. Well, I know it's after the fact, and there's a ways to go on his contract, but ... G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB 107 462 418 63 127 29 1 31 89 1 0 32 103 .304 .361 .600 .962 164 251 Not exactly overvalued. Granted, White Sox aren't in a playoff position, but, those numbers would be MVP worthy. He'll be taking home Rookie of the Year unanimously.
August 16, 201412 yr Well, I know it's after the fact, and there's a ways to go on his contract, but ... G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB 107 462 418 63 127 29 1 31 89 1 0 32 103 .304 .361 .600 .962 164 251 Not exactly overvalued. Granted, White Sox aren't in a playoff position, but, those numbers would be MVP worthy. He'll be taking home Rookie of the Year unanimously. At the time, it was a blind bidding war in that you didn't know what you were getting. He was like buying a storage locker with a tarp in the shape if a car in the back of the unit. He's great value now, but no one knew what he was and to pay him like a MLB vet was a major leap of faith.
August 16, 201412 yr Ya those guys aren't overvalued at all. Overvalued at the time of their signing- for sure. After the fact, they look good. Only Abreu looks great.
August 16, 201412 yr Overvalued at the time of their signing- for sure. After the fact, they look good. Only Abreu looks great. Cespedes (Pretty good), Chapman(unreal) look very good too.
August 16, 201412 yr What in the world are you guys talking about! Abreu was KNOWN to be a sure thing major league bat! They were not too sure of where to play him. Im not saying this because im Cuban, but Cuba is one of the most advanced countries in baseball. It is a living and a passion. Even more so than yes Dominican Republic. The only reason this wasnt known before is because Fidel would block them from leaving before. Id PAY BIG for established Cuban players. They are worth it!
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