2 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Definitely, I just mean I've never thought that the players might have been mad at him directly and now you got me thinking that was a possibility. 

Yeah I don't think he was actively saying anything or whatnot but I'm 99% positive that there were likely multiple dudes who were like "f*** this guy. He doesn't give a shit about any of us" 

Anyway, we've all moved on and we're in a better spot for it.

15 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Anyway, we've all moved on and we're in a better spot for it.

Nah, not me. I'm still in the same house I've been in for years, it's a really good neighborhood and I'm happy here. 

14 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

I think the whole "respect for Don Mattingly" thing was a big part of it. It absolutely shouldn't matter but it definitely felt like nobody wanted to be the one to fire him.

Yeah, that's true.

14 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Hmm, I hadn't thought about Donnie being part of the clubhouse problem last year. I know he couldn't fix it but wouldn't have thought he was part of the problem. I remember when they had that team meeting and Donnie flat out told the media that shit is bad and is gonna stay bad. Didn't even lie about things being better.

Also, unrelated but related, I'll never forget when Mike Redmond made Jose Fernandez go apologize to the Braves and Brian McCann for their dustup (unless I'm mixing specific instances but Redmond did make Jose go apologize to an opposing team once) and then Redmond went out and told the media that this happened. I was pissed. Horrible. At least lie to the media and stick up for your player publicly. 

Donnie did have that one great time when he stuck up for Monte Harrison getting thrown out trying to steal 3rd. That's the other weird thing with Donnie, there were times when he actually was an excellent players manager and times when he was just on another planet. 

Well if he basically sat there and did nothing/shrugged his shoulders, he was certainly part of the problem.