January 12, 200422 yr C. Perez/ Lieberthal/ Castro 1. Phillies, 2. Marlins, 3. Braves 1B. ???/ Thome/ Choi 1. Phillies 2. Marlins 2B. Giles/ Polanco/ Castillo 1. Braves 2. Marlins 3. Phillies 3B. ???/ Bell/ Lowell 1. Marlins 2. Phillies SS. Furcal/ Rollins/ Gonzalez 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins LF. Jones/ Burrell/ Cabrera 1. Braves 2. Phillies 3. Marlins CF. Jones/ Byrd/ Pierre 1. Braves 2. Phillies 3. Marlins RF. Drew/ Abreu/ Banks 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins SP. Ortiz/ Millwood/ Beckett 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Hampton/ Wolf/ Burnett 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Byrd/ Padilla/ Penny 1. Philles 2. Marlins 3. Braves SP. Smith/ Milton/ Willis 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Ramirez/ Thomson/ Pavano 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves bullpen: 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins manager: 1. Braves 2. Marlins 3. Phillies
January 12, 200422 yr LF. Jones/ Burrell/ Cabrera 1. Braves 2. Phillies 3. Marlins CF. Jones/ Byrd/ Pierre 1. Braves 2. Phillies 3. Marlins RF. Drew/ Abreu/ Banks 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins SP. Ortiz/ Millwood/ Beckett 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Hampton/ Wolf/ Burnett 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Byrd/ Padilla/ Penny 1. Philles 2. Marlins 3. Braves SP. Smith/ Milton/ Willis 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves SP. Ramirez/ Thomson/ Pavano 1. Marlins 2. Phillies 3. Braves bullpen: 1. Phillies 2. Braves 3. Marlins manager: 1. Braves 2. Marlins 3. Phillies Well, Cabs won't be playing LF he'll be in right, and there is no way Burrell is better than him. Did you forget about Conine? I would've put the marlins in 1st in the CF category and you have them last.
January 12, 200422 yr C. Perez/ Lieberthal/ Castro Phillies, Marlins, Braves 1B. Franco/ Thome/ Choi Phillies, Marlins, Braves 2B. Giles/ Polanco/ Castillo Marlins, Braves, Phillies 3B. ???/ Bell/ Lowell Marlins, Phillies SS. Furcal/ Rollins/ Gonzalez Braves, Phillies, Marlins LF. Jones/ Burrell/ Conine Braves, Phillies, Marlins (close though) CF. Jones/ Byrd/ Pierre Marlins, Braves, Phillies RF. Drew/ Abreu/ Cabrera Phillies, Marlins, Braves SP. Ortiz/ Millwood/ Beckett Marlins, Braves, Phillies SP. Hampton/ Wolf/ Burnett Marlins, Phillies, Braves SP. Byrd/ Padilla/ Penny Marlins, Braves, Phillies SP. Smith/ Milton/ Willis Marlins, Phillies, Braves SP. Ramirez/ Thomson/ Pavano Marlins, Braves, Phillies bullpen: Phillies, Braves, Marlins (gap between 2 and 3 is only because Neu is untested, Marlins will pass Braves April/May manager: Marlins, Braves, Phillies Marlins have the best manager in the business, I'm sorry if you can't see that.
January 12, 200422 yr Author Well, Cabs won't be playing LF he'll be in right, and there is no way Burrell is better than him. Did you forget about Conine? I would've put the marlins in 1st in the CF category and you have them last. I didn't forget about Conine, but I did go on espn.com just to check if these people were still on the roster, and Conine wasn't listed, so i put Banks on there. No way is Pierre better than Andruw Jones, the greatest defensive CFer since Willie Mays. Plus Jones is better offensively. I'd also take Byrd over Pierre easily. Plus Burrell had on off year last year and IMO Cabrera is still unproven.
January 12, 200422 yr Pierre is the most important player in the league. Without him, the Marlins don't make the playoffs last year. You take Andruw out of Atlanta and they can still get by. Byrd blows. And Cabrera is in right field, and the onyl reason Abreu is over him is because Miguel needs to play a full season. Miguel >>>>> Burrell talent wise, for sure. And this is coming from a Canes fan.
January 12, 200422 yr you can make an argument for Jones over Pierre, but byrd over pierre is ludicrous, absurd, stupid- whatever you want to call it.
January 12, 200422 yr Author you can make an argument for Jones over Pierre No, you really can't. Pierre is average. His OPS last year was .734, and his lifetime is .729. Jones was .851 in 03 and .836 lifetime. And defensively, Jones is the best in baseball. And as for Byrd, he was .784 in 03 and .774 lifetime
January 12, 200422 yr ops is ovverrated- when you hit over .300, get 200 hits, and have pierres speed, he's the best CF in the national league, imo. I can't think of anybody better off the top of my head.
January 12, 200422 yr Andruw is better than Pierre. Conine is better than Burrell. Ramirez is probably better than Pavano. Milton may be better than Willis. Too early to say.
January 12, 200422 yr Author ops is ovverrated- when you hit over .300, get 200 hits, and have pierres speed, he's the best CF in the national league, imo. I can't think of anybody better off the top of my head. Pierre is average at best
January 12, 200422 yr ops is ovverrated- when you hit over .300, get 200 hits, and have pierres speed, he's the best CF in the national league, imo. I can't think of anybody better off the top of my head. Pierre is average at best key word: average, as in, Batting Average
January 12, 200422 yr Author batting average= meaningless OPS is way more important. his OBP is average, his slugging percentage is real low. He's average
January 12, 200422 yr batting average= meaningless OPS is way more important. his OBP is average, his slugging percentage is real low. He's average Oh jesus. The game is played on big grass patches Giants, not white pieces of paper with little black numbers on it.
January 12, 200422 yr To let you guys now the braves rotation is ortiz, hampton, byrd,ramirez, thomson Whos smith?? and you named two braves pitchers in the 5th starter comparison Myers/Pavano/Thomson Marlins/Phillies/thomson
January 12, 200422 yr batting average= meaningless OPS is way more important. his OBP is average, his slugging percentage is real low. He's average OPS means nothing to Pierre. he's never going to have a high slugging percentage, because that's not his game. What he does do is get on base, steal bases, score runs and do all the little things a team needs to be successful.
January 12, 200422 yr batting average= meaningless OPS is way more important. his OBP is average, his slugging percentage is real low. He's average OPS means nothing to Pierre. he's never going to have a high slugging percentage, because that's not his game. What he does do is get on base, steal bases, score runs and do all the little things a team needs to be successful. Wait, you mean you can't just compare players by looking at a couple of numbers and seeing who's higher? There's more to baseball than that? NO WAY!
January 12, 200422 yr OPS is a pretty good stat to measure a player's offensive ability. Raw statistic though. It can't measure how much Pierre changes the game. Players with speed can force opponents to hurry their throws causing more errors. They alter pitch selection, defensive arrangement. So many other things that we haven't found a way to measure preoperly in statistics.
January 12, 200422 yr Why is Perez the catcher for the Braves? It is Eli Marrero and Eddy Perez is not even on the Braves anymore.
January 12, 200422 yr Estrada, Lieby, Kobe: 1. Phils 2. Braves 3. Fish Thome, Choi: So tough Castillo, Giles, Polanco: 1. Braves 2. Fish 3. Phillies(all great 2nds) Rollins, Gonzalez, Furcal: Phillies, Braves, Fish Bell/Utley Lowell: Fish, Phils Jones,Burrell, Conine: Braves, Phils, Fish Jones, Pierre, Byrd: Braves, Phils(Byrd is going to be huge this year count on it), Fish(Another close one) Drew, Abreau, Cabrera: Phils, Fish, Braves Beckett, Millwood, Ortiz: Fish, Braves, Phils Penny, Wolf, Hampton: (Tied) Fish and Phils, Braves Milton, Pavano, Byrd: Phils, Fish, Braves Padilla, Willis, Smith: Phils, Fish, Braves Brett "The Hitman" Myers, Ramirez, Commitee: Phils, Braves, Fish Bullpen: Phils, Braves, Marlins Closers: Braves, Phils, Marlins Managers: Braves, Marlins, Phils Stadium: Phils all the way
January 12, 200422 yr Im a Braves fan, but I do have to admit, all around Juan Pierre is a much better weapon than Andruw. If we're talking about strictly defense, Andruw blows him away. But when it comes down to it, Juan Pierre brings so much more to the table in the role that he plays. Andruw is a very solid player, but I have to say that Pierre is the best Centerfielder in the game today. Bar None
January 12, 200422 yr Count me off the Pierre love train. At this point, he's better than Byrd, but come on - look at Andruw's career numbers. Pierre had a good 2003, but he stunk it up old school in 2002. I would need to see more consistency from him before I choose him over an all-around dynamo like Andruw Jones.
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