Piazza31

What about our whole system, top to bottom- is it better without Stanton, Yelich and Realmuto in it?

NEIGHBORHOOD has gone down in recent years, not as Safe anymore. Atleast the neighborhood could still afford TMobile, Trapfone, i mean Tracfone.

We are probably going to have to agree to disagree, but does Brinson, Harrison and the SP Jordan have a legit chance to be Gold Glovers and Silver Sluggers / a 2 or 3 SP? I'm basing Yelich on what he did here, not his MVP season.

He might not have opted out, but its still a better team with him than without. That and if it came down to it, I'm sure theres insurance on his contract in case of injury or death. The Mets have one on Cespedes, and had one on a career ending injury for wright.

True, but the more than casual fans would have looked at it as trading a player who never played up to his contract post PED suspension Ozuna wouldnt be resigning (same as JT now) Bour (nice but not reliable). It was absolutly a firesale, I'm just arguing the teams in a better spot with those two guys and then JT than without. Heck, look how most on the board now want JT gone because he won't resign and if he does its for stupid money. We would have done that with Ozuna instead LAST year rather than 2 offseasons of turmoil from the perception "we're cheap" I think JT would have taken 5/70 if Yelich and Stanton were still here. Once Stanton was gone, both of them wanted out. It was about friendship with those three, not the money. Stanton wanted out because he knew it would be a firesale and he'd be left without his friends, and the others wanted out because they lost their friend and didn't have any more faith. Keep those three, and I truly believe the team is in a way better spot now, and in the future.

Not for nothing, but did the Stanton and Yelich trades really fix the farm? Those two trades taken out and everything else the same, this team is in a better position.

The truth is Yelich wanted out because Stanton was gone. Keep Stanton, and look at them as two players for $193MM until 2022 (when Yelich is a FA). Thats $100 a player in the OF for 5 years of production. That's not a bad deal. If Stanton opted out in 2020 (lets say he hated the rebuild and he wanted out at all costs) its $135MM for 3 more years of stanton and 5 years of yelich (hell of a deal). Keeping Stanton and never trading him would have shown this market that money wasn't an issue at all, its about value. We got garbage for him, it was a total salary dump and we shouldnt have been forced to take castro back. They should have paid down more to get players from houston, LA, or Chicago.

Not facing Public Relations Disaster from trading two MVP's and the best catcher in baseball is where the marketing comment was coming from. This markets so used to dealign away players it's the only excuse it NEEDS to have as to why our attendence sucks.

This team is more marketable with Stanton, Yelich and now JT than without.

Drop Brinson and it's still a good graduation rate. I'm arguing the Marlins would be better with Anderson, Smith, Lopez, Richards and Sierra long term paired with Yelich and Stanton in the lineup. Then add the Mesa's into that in a year or two.

That may have been true, but those 4 players I mentioned were controllable assets that could have been here for 3-5 more years. That alone, with everything else we've done would have helped and still been a rebuild. IF everything goes well, Lewis Brinson is another Yelich (he's proven so far to be more Maybin/Hermida than Yelich). The SP Jordan Y and Harrison will develop into Anibal in his heyday or Ozuna. We could have traded Ozuna for that, or the Cardinals Package. Bour didn't need a major prospect, he just needed one that was cheap and a flyer. That, coupled with the perception next year or two we will fill gaps with Free Agents could have had this rebuild ahead of schedule. Nevermind contracts like Prado and Chen falling off the books. Trading those pieces that had long term value in Stanton and Yelich was short sighted. Those two didn't want a complete tear down/rebuild and having G, Yelly and JT in a lineup with the arms that we showed had potential this year could have been a dark horse from the start. If we added players like the blue jays and sold them off at the deadline it would have been even more fruitful. All I'm saying is, move Gordon, Ozuna, Bour, and the pitchers we moved- and do everything else the same. Aren't we in a better position with Stanton Yelich, and Realmuto long term than Brinson, Cooper, Castro and who know's what we get for JT?

I wasn't opposed to trading some assets like Bour and Ozuna, but I didn't want a complete tear down keeping Stanton would have kept Yelich, and eventually Realmuto, three All Stars. We had Anderson already. Thats 4 parts of a 8 part lineup where proven legitimate MLB players would be right now compared to just one (anderson). They should have waited and kept that part together. The rebuild would be ahead of schedule in that case.

I still disagree with the rebuild, we had TWO OF's that were entirely capable of carrying a lineup in Yelich and Stanton. Both were still in their prime, controlled at a minimum of 3-5 years and both accomplished with the bat and in the field. Those two are both are better and will be better than any OF prospect we will get or have gotten in trade, the only difference is they were cheaper. Trading Ozuna was ok, considering he was closer to free agency and probably would have cost a boat load to extend after the season he had. We also got a Quality arm in Sandy and an OF Replacement in Sierra if we really needed it. Trading Straily, and the bullpen arms would have done more. So would have moving Bour sooner. Realistically a core of Yelich, Stanton and Realmutto would have been a hell of a core for this team, and would have probably helped our chances to keep JT long term too. Right now, instead of 7 positions to fill we could have had 4 to hope to develop well and find some fish in a barrell so to speak. C- Realmuto 1B- Bour ---> Prado and hope a prospect develops/acquired 2B- Gordon ---> Dietrich or Riddle 3B- Prado ---> Anderson SS- Rojas ---> Rojas or Riddle LF- Ozuna ---> Maybin, then Sierra, Dean, or Braxton Lee (before rule 5) CF Yelich ---> Yelich RF Stanton ---> Stanton SP Sandy, Chen, Urena, Jarlin, Richards, Smith and the rest. A lineup that has Stanton, Yelich and Realmuto and Anderson at 3B is a way better lineup than anything else we are going to trot out for the next 3 years and is better than a bunch of lineups in the NL.

It was, I took it more as a friendly roast / insultathon than anything else. The event had tons of people from te show come out and celebrate the birthday and I'm sure a big part of it is he was screwing with them while they were booing him. For what it's worth, I'm not against the stadium- so my feelings aren't butthurt over this. You wanna be a MLB City and get Major Events, you need to have the infrastructures for it. Look at how one Miami city is fighting to get the Dolphins Headquarters for instance.

Were going to sign Chris Stewart

You drive an old el Camino with the plate PSYSLYR

I just imagined this is how Jeter keeps his sources and why Hill is always smiling. And for the record I know for a fact jeter is driving an old Land Rover and Sherman an old Malibu.

This is what the Falcons Charge for their concessions, pretty close in line with the Marlins. I'm kinda excited for this.

That's true, I've noticed more and more Marlins games are just a weird social event overall. I can't see a situation the game experience improves dramatically to create enough revenue outside sustained longterm success. Atleast this will pull a few more dollars out of some fans pockets. It's more inline with eating at Miami Subs or the Checkers than it was before- so It's not terrible. I'm just happy they leaned a little into Arthur Blank and the Falcons' mentality and did this. We were discussing this months ago so I wonder who works for the Marlins that's on this board. SOMEONE DO AN IP TRACE TO MARLINS PARK!!!

The Panthers tried that, it failed miserably. People were still parking at Sawgrass Mills when they could have parked a mile closer for free.

Hopefully we get this guy back so I can sell his rookie card for boookooo dollas

But you didn't say no ?

"And it does not take much digging to get a load of checkmarks on his leadership and smarts. He was, for example, not part of the Marlins’ pre-series/game scouting meetings. He ran those meetings." GIVE HIM 8/167- WHO SAYS NO?

I'd approach the Angels about including Mike Trout in a deal for Realmuto. Possibly include Strailey, Castro and Rojas since the Angels like making stupid deals.