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Hanley Ramirez.... soon gone. Not soon enough I know it really isn't. The thing is, why bother even playing him at this point. It's a word I can't think of but the idea of people having fond memories of the past and not being able to move past them, the closest thing I can think of is blind ignorance.

My one request for this year is an 8-1 win sometime before the end of the season.

Hanley Ramirez.... soon gone. Not soon enough I know it really isn't.

I wonder if Hanley2Ramirez still likes Hanley? It's a serious question I want to know.

Hanley Ramirez.... soon gone.

fish win 3-1. buerhle dominates and Dobbs produces in the 2 hole Its gona happen.

There is no one on the Orioles worth trading for. This is getting old. I thought I would be the last person to say this but if nothings there wait until next July, plus it will allow all those who still "believe" to get one last hope.

Team is so much better now.

Well maybe if the team didn't suck this wouldn't happen... Trade JJ and H2R to Blue-Jays. Yankees gonna collpase now, about time. About tiiiiiime, Toronto, O's rise up with Rays. You stay in last place Yankee$ and Red-$ox. Yankees are not going to collapse they're going to get better.

Frisaro says this may also have to do with the marlins averaging 28,500 per game rather then the 34,000 they projected. I think that's bulls***. Yea thats a lot of crap, why are we complaining about attendance again the one year we have actual fans. We rank 18th in the league as far as attendance goes.

To be fair, Adrian Gonzalez was not supposed to be as good as he's become at the time of the trade. We also had Jason Stokes in the system, at the time. Dylan Bundy is arguably the best pitching prospect in baseball right now. I've seen him pitch he's pretty good so good in fact that he didn't give up an earned run while with Delmarva. His numbers are still great in high A but he's given up earned runs. He's so young too guys going to be nasty.

would you guys trade JJ AND Hanley if we could get Bundy and another guy? I'm not sure about that, don't want to trade JJ. Yes. We're not getting Bundy. Bundy is "centerpiece for Giancarlo Stanton" good. There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only the Marlins would trade Adrian Gonzalez for a reliever It won us a world series. Not really. Urbina was not worth Adrian. I'd trade for Urbina again in '03 but not with Gonzalez - it was a major overpayment Thats all assuming the Rangers would have traded Urbina for something else which isn't known and besides Gonzalez was hurt and the Marlins didn't think he would ever become of anything, sometimes it's just bad luck.

I have a bad feeling about this particular rumor, who we going to get Betemit?

would you guys trade JJ AND Hanley if we could get Bundy and another guy? I'm not sure about that, don't want to trade JJ. Yes. We're not getting Bundy. Bundy is "centerpiece for Giancarlo Stanton" good. There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only the Marlins would trade Adrian Gonzalez for a reliever It won us a world series.

O's looking for pitching and corner infield help. Hopefully package Hanley and Ricky for something? Maybe¿ The O's wouldn't trade Bundy for Stanton. Although Machado is from Miami we don't need an average hitting shortstop. There is nothing after that. I don't know wtf they could be discussing. EDIT: Unless it's major league talent.

Just saying but at 11.5 million the marlins better trade Ricky before Johnson. If we trade josh idk wtf our rotation will look like next year. If we trade another starter IDK wtf our rotation will look like NOW. Assuming they get rid of Nolasco/Johnson Johnson/Nolasco, Buerhle, Zambrano, LeBlanc, and probably Sanabia. If those later two fail, Turner, Hand, and presumably another AAA starter acquired in another trade are all in AAA. Wouldn't be an issue. They'd get through the year and get guys starts to see where they fit in for next season. Assuming / Hoping they dump Nolasco and keep JJ, who do you see in the rotation next year besides JJ and Buehrle? Turner and then no clue. I fully expect LeBlanc to be a starter come next year and I could see Sanabia too if another major league ready pitcher isn't in the mix via trade.

If Hanley is traded I hope it's to the Blue Jays, talk about jacked farm system. What could we realisticly get back? I know nothing about their farm. Travis d'Arnaud a catcher who was already known to have above average defensive skill showed a lot of power in 2011 and is tearing it up with AAA Las Vegas he has a OPS percentage near 1.000 and his batting average is .333, he's about as close to major league ready as you can get with not being in the majors. That being said I'm sure the Blue Jays wouldn't be willing to give him up for just Hanley, it's stupid to assume they would it would probably require someone else like a JJ, which also probably isn't going to happen. They have a tall left handed starting pitcher in Justin Nicolino and scouts believe he has room to grow still and say the sky is the limit, he has an above average change up and a good breaking ball. Assuming LoMo ever goes back to 1B and we are able to put a better defender in the outfield your looking at two outstanding athletes in Jake Marisnick and Anthony Gose. Marisnick is still in the lower levels of the minor league system and isn't hitting particularly well but he is supposed to be a 5 tool player. (But so was Hermida) Gose is a better athlete and has great speed and great defensive skills. His problem is with the bat but he's still really young just 21 and already in AA. So realistically I would say one of those outfield pieces and one of their lower albeit very large farm pieces, tons of starting pitching. As a Marlins fan it might take more than just an outfielder though maybe a high end SP and one of those outfield guys, I don't know just an idea. Marlins need to play the "change of scenery" card though if they are going to move him. Blue Jays are not trading d'Arnaud, he is their heir. The Marlins also now have two decent catching prospects with Brantly/Realmuto. Catcher isn't the # 1 target. The Marlins have longterm OF corners settled with Yelich and Stanton, getting a corner outfielder isn't a smart idea. Likewise, they will have free agency money to spend and the best bet among bats this year is CF (Hamilton, Bourn, BJ, Melky, Victorino). There is money for that, that's the smart expenditure. Basically, they don't need OF. If they trade Hanley, they need a Turner level pitcher who can slot in immediately in 2013, and decent secondary pieces that are sooner than later preferably 2B/3B/RP candidates. It would also make sense to insist Nolasco is on any deal to shed his payroll. So basically a Jarrod Parker or Brad Peacock, looking at the teams in the mix for Hanley those would be the only players that would have a chance to be major league ready by next year. Toronto's farm is all young pitching and Boston doesn't have pitching, so we are basically hoping the A's want Hanley. I want them to want Hanley. What's our long term solution at 3B now? Any ideas.

he has a slugging percentage near 1.000 You mean OPS here. A slugging percentage near 1.000 would be history-making numbers. Either way, that is a very good number a .975 OPS for a catcher. Yea not slugging my fault, OPS.

If Hanley is traded I hope it's to the Blue Jays, talk about jacked farm system. What could we realisticly get back? I know nothing about their farm. Travis d'Arnaud a catcher who was already known to have above average defensive skill showed a lot of power in 2011 and is tearing it up with AAA Las Vegas he has a OPS percentage near 1.000 and his batting average is .333, he's about as close to major league ready as you can get with not being in the majors. That being said I'm sure the Blue Jays wouldn't be willing to give him up for just Hanley, it's stupid to assume they would it would probably require someone else like a JJ, which also probably isn't going to happen. They have a tall left handed starting pitcher in Justin Nicolino and scouts believe he has room to grow still and say the sky is the limit, he has an above average change up and a good breaking ball. Assuming LoMo ever goes back to 1B and we are able to put a better defender in the outfield your looking at two outstanding athletes in Jake Marisnick and Anthony Gose. Marisnick is still in the lower levels of the minor league system and isn't hitting particularly well but he is supposed to be a 5 tool player. (But so was Hermida) Gose is a better athlete and has great speed and great defensive skills. His problem is with the bat but he's still really young just 21 and already in AA. So realistically I would say one of those outfield pieces and one of their lower albeit very large farm pieces, tons of starting pitching. As a Marlins fan it might take more than just an outfielder though maybe a high end SP and one of those outfield guys, I don't know just an idea. Marlins need to play the "change of scenery" card though if they are going to move him.

If Hanley is traded I hope it's to the Blue Jays, talk about jacked farm system.

It should also be noted our farm system ranking is probably higher than 29th at this point. Making strides!

They always send overhyped prospects in deals that don't seem to pan out. 1 trade. ONE singular trade. "Always." Come on, now. Mike's right even though we lost a lot more than we gained it was a very "large" deal. I don't know what the fascination is with the Tigers but the second try's the charm right? It's hard to predict what will pan out, but I feel like this was a trade worth risking, it's not like we got a few scrub prospects back, these are high ranking players and they have all done decent in the minors. I dont see how we really lost more then we gained when Anibal was most likely gone at the end of the year. The only thing we really lost was a year of Infante. I was referring to the Miguel Cabrera deal Canes, not this deal.

They always send overhyped prospects in deals that don't seem to pan out. 1 trade. ONE singular trade. "Always." Come on, now. Mike's right even though we lost a lot more than we gained it was a very "large" deal. I don't know what the fascination is with the Tigers but the second try's the charm right? It's hard to predict what will pan out, but I feel like this was a trade worth risking, it's not like we got a few scrub prospects back, these are high ranking players and they have all done decent in the minors.

@NottheILMArlins When I meant advanced numbers, I meant Line Drive%, GB%, FB% and BABIP. I know those numbers, OBP and OPS, look bad. That's obvious. But when you look deeper, he's almost the same hitter. He's striking out more but walking the same. He's hitting less groundballs and more flyballs, 2% extra each, but his line drive% is the same. His statistics here really are not that bad. Nothing is too different. His infield hitting percentage is though, which is something El Penguino pointed out and I'm looking into it. The truth is you don't need to even use advanced stats to diagnose Hanley, I feel like you are using advanced stats to excuse Hanley if anything; sure I understand his advanced stats this year look a lot more similar to his 2007-2009 years but so what he's not really showing improvement in his game or even excelling like he did in those years. So you think because Hanley's advanced stats are similar to his past that he will now turn it around from this point forward? Ok I understand your thought process, I just don't agree with it. Either way give him 2013, he wants a long term contract and I don't think the Marlins are stupid enough to just hand it to him and thats if he isn't gone in a matter of days.

I vaguely recall Peterson, but I can't remember what he does to remind me of a major league ball player. Career AAA player, I'm so excited!!!