I Can't believe some of things I'm hearing after this latest debacle. They excuse the teams poor performance on a rain delayed that, last time I checked, both teams had to endure. And McKeon, instead of ripping the offense like he should, jokes about his wife going home before the game started!!!!

 

I may seem harsh but I'm so pissed off with this team right now and it makes me more furious that the team don't seem to care as much!

I'm surprised that the rain delay lasted so long. I would have thought it would have been called.

 

Damn Umps!

his wife made the right decision

Jack never "joked" about his wife leaving early or joked about anything at all last night, you need to check your facts :thumbdown .

 

I know my wife was here, she left before the game started. I said, 'It's supposed to start at 10 minutes to 11. She said, 'Forget it.' "

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...recap&fext=.jsp

 

How do you know Jack didn't rip the offense? You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, you don't know what private conversations he has with players. Don't just make these baseless accusations that he's letting it go and doesn't care, because you simply do not know.

 

It was a s***ty situation last night and I think all the players on both teams were in shock that the game was actually going to be played rather than postponed. The huge rain delay did effect us and it's a legitimate excuse, Penny didn't bring his A-game and who knows how he would have pitched if the game started on time when he was ready. Dontrelle also left the game early in like the 3rd or 4th inning to go back to the hotel and get a good nights sleep for his start the next day, are we going to get on his case? No.

 

This thread should be closed, the entire premise of this thread is based on entirely false assumptions.

Prior to the first pitch, it's the home team that makes the call. Braves management chose to wait over three hours and then play. Probably because of lack of open dates to make up the game. And boy does management hate doubleheaders, due to logistical and financial concerns (not to mention MLBPA union rules).

Prior to the first pitch, it's the home team that makes the call. Braves management chose to wait over three hours and then play. Probably because of lack of open dates to make up the game. And boy does management hate doubleheaders, due to logistical and financial concerns (not to mention MLBPA union rules).

You're right, it would have been a logistical nightmere...

 

The home club makes the final call on whether to postpone a game.

 

The Braves would have had to issue nearly 32,000 rain-checks (Monday's paid crowd was announced at 31,969) had the game been called.

 

''There are a lot of people involved in this decision,'' said Derek Schiller, vice president of sales and marketing for the Braves. ``It's umpires, it's [braves manager] Bobby Cox, everybody. Everybody came to a collective consensus.''

 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...iiijilpl|John|Y

The Marlins aren't winning because they aren't playing with the strategy they once used : Small Ball.

 

Last year it would be routine for Pierre to get on base and then steal two second or run on a sacrifice bunt from Castillo. Then our big guns (Lowell, Cabs) would drive in the runs and we would have an early lead of atleast one run.

 

This year Pierre isn't stealing, Castillo isn't bunting, and our Big Guns mostly just use their home run swings. The only way this team will start winning more than losing is if they go back to playing small ball. The Marlins are depending on Lowell and Cabs to just hit it out of the park. That won't work.

 

So Jack, lose the teams cocky s*** and tell them to start playing like I aforementioned. I guarantee we will not win playing with our current strategy.

this team would get its ass handed to them by last years team...this years team has no leader.no heart,and the players are not playing there parts...i dont know whats wrong maybe jack is not doing the Job...i love Jack i think he's a hell of a mgr. but he has to start making better moves..

The Marlins aren't winning because they aren't playing with the strategy they once used : Small Ball.

 

Last year it would be routine for Pierre to get on base and then steal two second or run on a sacrifice bunt from Castillo. Then our big guns (Lowell, Cabs) would drive in the runs and we would have an early lead of atleast one run.

 

This year Pierre isn't stealing, Castillo isn't bunting, and our Big Guns mostly just use their home run swings. The only way this team will start winning more than losing is if they go back to playing small ball. The Marlins are depending on Lowell and Cabs to just hit it out of the park. That won't work.

 

So Jack, lose the teams cocky s*** and tell them to start playing like I aforementioned. I guarantee we will not win playing with our current strategy.

Exactly! Here is the post of this thread.

 

The Marlins offense is depending TOO much on the long ball. They arent generating their own offense with their speed. Speed is there EVERY NIGHT and the Marlins have yet to use it effectively this year.

 

When was the last time Pierre laid down a bunt? When was the last time he was successful stealing a base?

 

This is also why I want to see Conine hit 3rd. He can execute in a small ball offense. Pierre and Castillo need to be more aggressive and bunt and steal and cause havoc. Teams are effectively phasing them out of the game and at the same time, we are being managed to keep them from making mistakes. We are playing NOT TO LOSE instead of to win.

 

Now, that said, our pitching hasnt been good either. Other than Carl Pavano, this team has gotten very little consistency of late from its starters. Penny looked horrible last night. He is back to throwing instead of pitching. He is too in love with his fastball and that will always get him beat. He has GOT to do a better job mixing his pitches and hitting his location. Terrible performance from Penny - and more the reason why we lost last night.

I Can't believe some of things I'm hearing after this latest debacle. They excuse the teams poor performance on a rain delayed that, last time I checked, both teams had to endure. And McKeon, instead of ripping the offense like he should, jokes about his wife going home before the game started!!!!

 

I may seem harsh but I'm so pissed off with this team right now and it makes me more furious that the team don't seem to care as much!

I dont think that this team has no heart or anything like that. I think this team is just as intense and desirious of winning as last years. Problem is consistency. THere hasnt been any in ANY phase of the game. One week it is the offense. Another the bullpen. Another the starting pitching. Sometimes, defense lets us down.

 

This team is struggling and is pressing too hard. They have to be loose and play loose. They have to get back to playing winning baseball. They have to get back to being aggressive on offense and pushing the defenses and opposing pitchers to adjust to us. As it is, they are forcing us out of our game.

 

McKeon has to force the issue - and do it more forcibly than last year. We have less speed than last year, but we didnt need it in terms of steals. The only ones that should be stealing are Pierre and Castillo. But send Choi, send Conine when on base. Force other teams to watch out for everyone. Be aggressive and we will start to win again. We are not a station to station team that relies on the home run. We have to cause havoc and force teams to make mistakes and win by being AGGRESSIVE.

 

And for God's sake, bat Conine 3rd already! Put Cabs 5th, he is struggling anyway.

The Marlins aren't winning because they aren't playing with the strategy they once used : Small Ball.

 

Last year it would be routine for Pierre to get on base and then steal two second or run on a sacrifice bunt from Castillo. Then our big guns (Lowell, Cabs) would drive in the runs and we would have an early lead of atleast one run.

 

This year Pierre isn't stealing, Castillo isn't bunting, and our Big Guns mostly just use their home run swings. The only way this team will start winning more than losing is if they go back to playing small ball. The Marlins are depending on Lowell and Cabs to just hit it out of the park. That won't work.

 

So Jack, lose the teams cocky s*** and tell them to start playing like I aforementioned. I guarantee we will not win playing with our current strategy.

Exactly! Here is the post of this thread.

 

The Marlins offense is depending TOO much on the long ball. They arent generating their own offense with their speed. Speed is there EVERY NIGHT and the Marlins have yet to use it effectively this year.

 

When was the last time Pierre laid down a bunt? When was the last time he was successful stealing a base?

 

This is also why I want to see Conine hit 3rd. He can execute in a small ball offense. Pierre and Castillo need to be more aggressive and bunt and steal and cause havoc. Teams are effectively phasing them out of the game and at the same time, we are being managed to keep them from making mistakes. We are playing NOT TO LOSE instead of to win.

 

Now, that said, our pitching hasnt been good either. Other than Carl Pavano, this team has gotten very little consistency of late from its starters. Penny looked horrible last night. He is back to throwing instead of pitching. He is too in love with his fastball and that will always get him beat. He has GOT to do a better job mixing his pitches and hitting his location. Terrible performance from Penny - and more the reason why we lost last night. Agreed on Penny

 

It was sad, since I thought he was comanding his breaking stuff well. He got badly beat by the damn Fastball. You could see the frustration Rosy's face.

 

The offense must go back to play small ball, this club doesn't have the fire power to relly on the long ball. Too inconsistent.

 

IMO, The problem with Jack is that he won't change it until we are 2 or 3 games out of first place.

It was a s***ty situation last night and I think all the players on both teams were in shock that the game was actually going to be played rather than postponed. The huge rain delay did effect us and it's a legitimate excuse, Penny didn't bring his A-game and who knows how he would have pitched if the game started on time when he was ready. Dontrelle also left the game early in like the 3rd or 4th inning to go back to the hotel and get a good nights sleep for his start the next day, are we going to get on his case? No.

 

 

No its not.

 

Both teams had to endure the delay.....its not like john thomson didnt have to endure that 3 our delay himself.....

 

 

 

to blame the rain delay for a horrible game is silly.

 

 

 

 

 

our offense is lost and has lost its way.

 

 

 

one bat isnt fixing a damn thing.

I'm upset that there doesn't seem to be much change. All they have done is changed the lineup a couple of times and nothing has worked, We should be walking away with this division but at the rate we are going we could be 4th. Maybe I was too hasty in saying McKeon was joking but I'm not happy that on a night as frustrating as that one, he didn't have more too say.

 

If he is ripping the offense behind close doors then he must have been doing it for about a month now and maybe a little rip in public would help. Thats what I meant by lighting a fire!

The Marlins offense is depending TOO much on the long ball. They arent generating their own offense with their speed. Speed is there EVERY NIGHT and the Marlins have yet to use it effectively this year.

Earlier this season, yes.

 

Now we're relying on a string of timely hits which haven't been coming most of the season.

I agree with a lot that has been said in this thread...The runners don't move on the basepaths...Not a lot of stolen bases or even hit and run for that matter to move runners into scoring position....How mnay innings do we see a leadoff double wasted...Braves got a runner on 2nd yesterday to leadoff an inning, the next guy moved him over to 3rd to give them a chance to score a run with a guy on 3rd and 1 out...They are not playing the way last year's team didThey are relying too much on the big hit instead of moving runners over and scratching a run on the board any chance they get..If they are not getting the clutch timely hits right now then make sure they get the clutch timely productive out, then when the hits start dropping into place, bonus...

As I was saying before. This strategy that they are currently using is horrible. We don't need big bats. The key is strategy. This team does not have World Series potential. WE NEED TO PLAY SMALL BALL. I get very frustrated when we have among the best pitching staff and we are not able to score runs.

 

I don't know why Jack McKeon changed the strategy. Eitherway I am calling out to everyone at MarlinsBaseball.com to send a letter to Jack McKeon telling him to start playing small ball (sacrifice bunts, stolen bases, hit and runs etc.) Here is the address:

 

Florida Marlins

Attn: Jack McKeon

2267 Dan Marino Blvd.

Miami, Florida 33056

 

My letter is already on its way :lol

 

Call me crazy I don't care.

people calling for small ball are the same ones who get pissed when we bunt runners to 2nd base

True. Giving up outs for possible runs is risky. But we have the speed (Choi, Miggy, Alex have above average speed despite their lack of SB totals) to challenge catcher and outfield arms and haven't been doing it.

Exactly.

 

And put Conine #3...