Accord Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Just like the poll says, do you want Shaq on the Heat? I don't, especially at the expense of Odom and Caron, not to mention Miami will turn into Lakers-East with all the bandwagonism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I think its cool. He will be motivated and he loves Florida. Good move for himself and the NBA as a whole will benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 sure I want Shaq, what Heat fan wouldn't? gotta admit though, it's tough to give up on the Wade-Odom-Butler team of the future... there's a great feeling when you build up a team of your own & they all become stars together. that being said, a healthy Shaq makes them a Finals contender from day 1. what it means in the long run, we'll have to wait & see. things could've been different if the Heat had known this was coming... could've gotten a player more NBA-ready from the draft for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hell f***ing yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff#1 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hell f***ing yes 455019[/snapback] DING DING.you mean do i want the most dominating force in the game? hell fking yea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Whats important now in my opinion is whos going to be our forwards, not to mention backup PG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzie Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Here's a good article that might convince you if you don't HYDE: Trade house for Shaq? Great idea! Published July 13, 2004 Many of the world's best ideas -- trains, the organization of the solar system, cookies dipped in milk -- met initial resistance. Perhaps that's the only way to understand why every South Florida sports fan isn't throwing confetti over the Shaquille O'Neal trade. But the sometimes-tepid manner in which it's being discussed is almost as mystifying as the Lakers' decision to trade him in the first place. O'Neal averaged 22 points, 13 rebounds and 59 percent shooting in the NBA playoffs last month. But now you keep hearing how, at 32, he's clearly "on the downside?" O'Neal also fought double- and triple-teams from defenses to average among the league's best last season in shooting percentage (first), free throws taken (first), rebounds (ninth), blocks (seventh) and the cumulative efficiency ranking (fourth). But now he's significantly "aging and overweight?" He was the NBA Finals' Most Valuable Player three times in the past four years, remains a full-poster personality, never has been in a spot of public trouble, puts the fear of embarrassment into opponents, guarantees every Heat game will be a show and probably a sellout, offers the inside presence to free Dwyane Wade's star outside and has a been-there-won-that pedigree unlike any player in South Florida history. But two days after the trade announcement, with the dust all settled and the names all taken, nearly half of people evidently are against this trade, according to the Sun-Sentinel's on-line poll. People, what are you smoking? This is a hands-down, clear-cut, no-doubt, close-your-mouth-and-open-your-mind, no-brainer of a trade. The Heat was uniquely blessed by everything from the Lakers' missteps to being in the Eastern Conference to getting loads of sunshine. So let's dismiss the concerns one by one. "The Heat broke up something good." It's true -- last year's team was good. It was fun good. It was fresh good. It was 42-40 good, seven-playoff-games-to-beat-New-Orleans good, still-no-center good and looking-up-at-better-and-nearly-as-young Indiana-and-Detroit good. That's the key word: Good. This trade is a shot to be great. "The Heat gave up too much." You know how many All-Star years Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and Caron Butler have, combined? Zero. Odom should become one. But getting out from the $43 million owed Grant is a godsend. So the only reason for questioning this deal is ... Butler? A guy who took a big step back last year? Who is between positions (small forward, shooting guard) and projects to be a role player on a contending team? You question the deal over that? "The Heat can't put enough talent around Shaq." This is the gamble. But role players can be found easier than once-an-era players. It will be interesting to see whom Riley signs with the $5 million exemption (Toni Kukoc? Bob Sura? Derek Fisher?) Also, watch to see if the Heat doesn't sign top draft pick Dorell Wright and explores trading the high-school hope for someone to contribute immediately. "Yeah, but Shaq won all those titles with Kobe Bryant." Reverse that thought. Kobe won those titles with Shaq. Without Shaq, the Kobe-led Lakers were 55-45 in recent years. Without Kobe, the Shaq-led Lakers were 36-9. You don't need to do the math to see who was the engine. Plus, the Heat still has Wade, who is the next great player in the league. "This doesn't guarantee the Heat will win the big one." Excuse me, but the Heat has won one playoff series in four years. It has never been past the conference finals -- and got dusted in five games by Chicago that time. What kind of silly arrogance allows Heat fans to put the bar at "the big one" on this trade? You can dream big, but don't label anything that falls short a failure. "Shaq is getting older, more injured, less fit ..." And he looms over the league like no other player. Plus, he now gets to steamroll an Eastern Conference with none of the inside presence of Tim Duncan, Yao Ming or Kevin Garnett. The list of East centers is a Who's Who of Who's That? Eddy Curry, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jeff Foster, Brian Skinner, Mark Blount, Jason Collins, Nazr Mohammed, Samuel Dalembert, Rafael Araujo, Joel Pryzbilla, Emeka Okafor, Kelvin Cato, Kwame Brown and Ben Wallace. Detroit's Wallace (technically a power forward) is the best of the lot. Shaq dominated him in the Finals. "Pat Riley will have to coach for this to succeed." Such talk compelled Riley to announce coach Stan Van Gundy's contract extension on Monday. Van Gundy showed his talent with a team of no expectations last season. He deserves every chance to win with a team of big expectations. "Yeah, but the Heat still gave up too much." Milwaukee's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was traded in 1975 to the Lakers for Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Myers and Junior Bridgeman. San Francisco's Wilt Chamberlain was traded to Philadelphia in 1965 for Paul Neumann, Connie Dierking and Lee Shaffer. In 1968, Chamberlain was sent to the Lakers for Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark and Darrall Imhoff. In each case, the team trading the superstar didn't get close to equal value. You never do for a mega-star in the NBA. It took a while for the world to accept Hemingway's writings and Picasso paintings. Maybe, soon, everyone will understand just what a steal this trade is. Dave Hyde can be reached at [email protected] Copyright ? 2004, South Florida Sun-Sentinel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami15 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I loved watching Caron-Wade-Odom combo, but face it, even though those guys were going to be good for a long, they were never going to be great. With Shaq and Wade this team should be a favorite for the Title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 uh, yeah. Shaq is the man, he's back in florida and whats better, in miami. I'll be going to the games in orlando. i just hope i dont get mobbed...last year when i went to some games wearing my odom jersey....(which now is a throwback...damnit) i almost got into a fight with tmacs posse...which now are apparently sending death threats to the magic GM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 YES I want shaq and i dont care that were losing some players who we needed to do good last year you could make changes with a team even if u do good i said this before: you can always improve-i said that when we were thinking about gettig tracy m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff#1 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 YES I want shaq and i dont care that were losing some players who we needed to do good last year you could make changes with a team even if u do good i said this before: you can always improve-i said that when we were thinking about gettig tracy m. 456381[/snapback] y!!! y must he come back with his no making sense remarks why!!!! go back to isreal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 i AM in israel dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff#1 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 YES I want shaq and i dont care that were losing some players who we needed to do good last year you could make changes with a team even if u do good i said this before: you can always improve-i said that when we were thinking about gettig tracy m. 456381[/snapback] did not understand a word.plz go back to isreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 hellloooo i am in israel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff#1 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 stay there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJB34 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 just a couple of more hours till it becomes official. does anyone know when they will make an official announcement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 yes....i will make the annoucement from my basement in the water.... ive heard nothing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marlin Man Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 they said the earliest they will anounce it is Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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