July 19, 200422 yr Of course its the goal, but not winning it doesn't make u a bad GM, the playoffs are a crapshot.....Dye is of course overpaid but he's a royals product, and Hatterburg fills the mold of the Perfect hitter...high OBP and draws walks like a madman...Oakland A's and Billy Beane I believe do a great job....you can even look at his protogeges' Paul Depodeste and J.R. Riccardi...Depodesta is doing a great job in L.A.
July 19, 200422 yr hell you can even argue waht exactly has riccardi done? the jays are fighting for last in the al east. deposeta hasnt done crap yet. moneyball is overrated. not to dismiss the philosophies behind it....but looking at stats alone is stupid. wake me when a team using 'moneyball' actually wins a playoff series.
July 19, 200422 yr I don't see the proof that Moneyball is the reason Oakland does so well. Every team had Zito, Mulder, and Hudson tabbed as top pitchers. Beane just happened to be the one that drafted them. And just cuz you don't win the World Series does it mean you are a bad GM. Never said that. But are you elite? No. And the playoffs are not a crapshoot. Name me one bad team that won a World Series. Also, just because Dye is a KC product doesn't mean it's ok for him to have the contract he does. Didn't Beane give him that contract? What does one thing have to do with the other? What has LA done different? Most of that team was there from before. Milton Bradley isn't a Moneyball player, he just happened to be available. And wtf has Toronto done? NOTHING.
July 19, 200422 yr Juanky you might be the most bitter endivdual on this site, everything anyone says you shot down...
July 19, 200422 yr No, I'm actually a pretty cheery guy (not that I really care what you think regardless). However, when I believe someone is preaching blatant falsehoods I confront them to supply their own logic. It's always funner when the person has some original thought to support their theories, it's sad it isn't the case here. Honestly, I have yet to see a shred of proof to why the Moneyball system works that hasn't been shot down. Oh, btw. Don't know if you have experience in arguments outside of an online message board, but theories without support don't fly much. Better get used to being 'shot down' until you provide some piece of information that is accurate.
July 20, 200422 yr Juanky you might be the most bitter endivdual on this site, everything anyone says you shot down... 464963[/snapback] difference of opinion and bitter are not equal to one another.
July 21, 200422 yr Where's all the hate now? Billy put them on their a$$ last night. And last I checked the Marlins didn't give up much to get him unlike the Sox who gave away Harden to the A's.
July 21, 200422 yr um, I thought it was a straight up Foulke for Koch trade I could be wrong though and hasnt Harden always been an A?
July 21, 200422 yr i think the koch-foulke trade included like 6-7 players 468306[/snapback] correct but there was no Rich Harden involved In exchange for Koch and two minor leaguers, the Athletics get White Sox closer Keith Foulke, catcher Mark Johnson, minor league right-hander Joe Valentine and cash.
July 21, 200422 yr Billy Koch has been great as of late, let's see what happens as the season carries on, but I will say it again, no disapointments are expected in my part.
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