October 21, 200421 yr 598078[/snapback][/right] ding ... ding ... ding ... WE HAVE A WINNER! 598087[/snapback] If we can get the Yankees to pay half of Vazquez's deal, I'd take Javy at $5.5 million a season for the next 3 years than Pavano for $2-4 million more for the same amount of time.
October 21, 200421 yr Author Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] We already have a top of the rotation pitchers in AJ and Beckett. Pavano would be another strong 3rd. Assumming Pavs leaves simply because the bidding for him will be frenzied, you think the Marlins without Pavano, Lowell, Castillo and Encarnacion will be any better? We lose the #2 and #3/4 hitters, lose speed, and lose two potential gold glovers on D.
October 21, 200421 yr Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] you think the Marlins without Pavano, Lowell, Castillo and Encarnacion will be any better? 598096[/snapback] maybe you need to read my response again. I think some of you are overestimating what Pavano will get.
October 22, 200421 yr Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] you think the Marlins without Pavano, Lowell, Castillo and Encarnacion will be any better? 598096[/snapback] maybe you need to read my response again. I think some of you are overestimating what Pavano will get. 598106[/snapback] I think you're underestimating. All Pavano has to do now is even mention thinking about going to the Red Sox, and Steinbrenner will give him $12 mil a year. Remember, we saw him pitch all the time, so we know that he isn't an ace and shouldn't get ace quality money, but all a lot of people see is an 18-8 record and a 3.00 ERA.
October 22, 200421 yr Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] you think the Marlins without Pavano, Lowell, Castillo and Encarnacion will be any better? 598096[/snapback] maybe you need to read my response again. I think some of you are overestimating what Pavano will get. 598106[/snapback] I think you're underestimating. All Pavano has to do now is even mention thinking about going to the Red Sox, and Steinbrenner will give him $12 mil a year. Remember, we saw him pitch all the time, so we know that he isn't an ace and shouldn't get ace quality money, but all a lot of people see is an 18-8 record and a 3.00 ERA. 598242[/snapback] I guarantee you he won't get more than $10 million a year.
October 22, 200421 yr I might think about getting vasquez....but not brown. Example: yesterday. He is not an old form...he lost it, he is now to much of a risk
October 22, 200421 yr If they can play a little and have their paychecks signed by the Yankees send them here.
October 22, 200421 yr Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] ...Castillo despite 'only' batting .291 had practically the same OBP that Pierre did with Pierre batting .326.... .373 to .374 The year before when he hit .314 his OBP was over .380 He is very good about getting on base, not enough people give him credit for that. He also took a paycut to sign with us, cements the infield defense, has a gold glove. It'd make ALOT more sense to trade Pierre. His defense isn't nearly as good relatively and you could probably get alot more for him than you could for Castillo. I don't see how replacing Easley with Luis is going to give us enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez and a rightfielder...it isn't going to free enough money to sign any one of them as Pavano and Benitez would be looking at 7- 8 and 5 - 6 million multi-year deals themselves...
October 22, 200421 yr I definitely would not want Encarnacion on the Yankees.... he reminds me too much of Sierra who is another guy I'd like out. There is no way that they would move Jeter to 2nd to accomodate a Mike Lowell to the Yankees. If Lowell by some chance goes to the Yankees, he'd convert to 1B and kick Giambi to DH for good. I don't see how Lowell can adjust to first base right away unlike Arod to third.... Then there is Carlos Beltran in this mix of rumors who supposedly is going to the Yankees. He would play CF, and as far as Bernie goes, he is getting up there in years, they would then make him a bench player or DH? But then there's Giambi, who will be healthy by next year, and barring any setbacks, should finally, finally be back in shape as an MVP caliber player. As much as I hate to say this, I don't think if the Yankees got Beltran, would they need Bernie any longer? Bernie could probably become the next Ruben Sierra for the team, playing in crucial games if need be. But with Beltran in CF, Bernie wouldn't be DHing, so he would hit the bench I guess. The Marlins should grab Vasquez. Even better, any team should grab Brown and Vasquez from the Yankees. I think the Yankees need younger pitchers who will maintain a consistent pitching record annually. When they had Pettitte, Clemens, and Wells for many years, you knew that their pitching was phenomenal. Now, with 1 year contract pitchers, it's too hard to keep a steady roster. The Yankees should pick up some players they intend on keeping for atleast 3 years. Do something with Sierra, Vasquez, Brown, and Clark. If the Yankees kept Jeff Weaver for the 2 or 3 years, and didn't learn their lesson, they need to do something with the guys that are getting towards the end of their careers or atleast slacking in production.
October 22, 200421 yr I definitely would not want Encarnacion on the Yankees.... he reminds me too much of Sierra who is another guy I'd like out. There is no way that they would move Jeter to 2nd to accomodate a Mike Lowell to the Yankees. If Lowell by some chance goes to the Yankees, he'd convert to 1B and kick Giambi to DH for good. I don't see how Lowell can adjust to first base right away unlike Arod to third.... Then there is Carlos Beltran in this mix of rumors who supposedly is going to the Yankees. He would play CF, and as far as Bernie goes, he is getting up there in years, they would then make him a bench player or DH? But then there's Giambi, who will be healthy by next year, and barring any setbacks, should finally, finally be back in shape as an MVP caliber player. As much as I hate to say this, I don't think if the Yankees got Beltran, would they need Bernie any longer? Bernie could probably become the next Ruben Sierra for the team, playing in crucial games if need be. But with Beltran in CF, Bernie wouldn't be DHing, so he would hit the bench I guess. The Marlins should grab Vasquez. Even better, any team should grab Brown and Vasquez from the Yankees. I think the Yankees need younger pitchers who will maintain a consistent pitching record annually. When they had Pettitte, Clemens, and Wells for many years, you knew that their pitching was phenomenal. Now, with 1 year contract pitchers, it's too hard to keep a steady roster. The Yankees should pick up some players they intend on keeping for atleast 3 years. Do something with Sierra, Vasquez, Brown, and Clark. If the Yankees kept Jeff Weaver for the 2 or 3 years, and didn't learn their lesson, they need to do something with the guys that are getting towards the end of their careers or atleast slacking in production. 598639[/snapback] Well, you have to believe that they're going to aggressively try to improve their team around Jeter and Matsui as their in house building block talent. ARod and Sheff still haven't earned their "pinstripes" so for what that's worth, Matsui is the only new guy who has job security. Vazquez and Brown will be traded, but I think it's two different situations. With Brown, the Yankees will give him up for a PTBNL if the team taking Brown assumes the contract, and for a B range prospect for the team to get Brown with half of the contract paid. Vazquez, however, is their most tradeable chip that they're willing to trade (unless you want to believe the ARod for very good young pitching rumor), so you have to believe that barring a deal right now for something the Yankees absolutely cannot refuse, Vazquez is going to be staying through the initial FA signing period and he'll probably be dealt in January when the big signings are done and the Yankees know what they need via trade.
October 22, 200421 yr The Yankees better focus entirely on pitching if they want to win - and if they are really smart, they will forget about "Pete" and PRAY that the Sux keep him - the Yanks "are his daddy" so he is actually like a player on THEIR team, even though he puts on the jersey of the opposition. The need to bolster the rotation with guys like Randy Johnson, etc. As far as Brown to the Marlins - just reading the words gives me agada (sp?) - he is the biggest choke I have ever seen in big games (0-4 in W.S. - 2 of those with our Marlins). He is not a good clubhouse guy - he is introverted and a "team cancer" in my humble opinion. I hope this is truly not an option. I would like to see this team do what they have to do to keep Pavano. It has been proven time and time again that pitching and defense wins in this sport. He is far too valuable to let slip away...........pay him!
October 22, 200421 yr Author I definitely would not want Encarnacion on the Yankees.... he reminds me too much of Sierra who is another guy I'd like out. There is no way that they would move Jeter to 2nd to accomodate a Mike Lowell to the Yankees. If Lowell by some chance goes to the Yankees, he'd convert to 1B and kick Giambi to DH for good. I don't see how Lowell can adjust to first base right away unlike Arod to third.... Then there is Carlos Beltran in this mix of rumors who supposedly is going to the Yankees. He would play CF, and as far as Bernie goes, he is getting up there in years, they would then make him a bench player or DH? But then there's Giambi, who will be healthy by next year, and barring any setbacks, should finally, finally be back in shape as an MVP caliber player. As much as I hate to say this, I don't think if the Yankees got Beltran, would they need Bernie any longer? Bernie could probably become the next Ruben Sierra for the team, playing in crucial games if need be. But with Beltran in CF, Bernie wouldn't be DHing, so he would hit the bench I guess. The Marlins should grab Vasquez. Even better, any team should grab Brown and Vasquez from the Yankees. I think the Yankees need younger pitchers who will maintain a consistent pitching record annually. When they had Pettitte, Clemens, and Wells for many years, you knew that their pitching was phenomenal. Now, with 1 year contract pitchers, it's too hard to keep a steady roster. The Yankees should pick up some players they intend on keeping for atleast 3 years. Do something with Sierra, Vasquez, Brown, and Clark. If the Yankees kept Jeff Weaver for the 2 or 3 years, and didn't learn their lesson, they need to do something with the guys that are getting towards the end of their careers or atleast slacking in production. 598639[/snapback] There is a thread in the MLB forum about what the NYY might do, but I agree with most of what you say here. Sierra didn't do bad at the plate but the Yankees will most surely put the most money on the table for Beltran and that will put Bernie and Giambi (if healthy) rotating at DH.
October 22, 200421 yr Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect. 598074[/snapback] 598080[/snapback] Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] ...Castillo despite 'only' batting .291 had practically the same OBP that Pierre did with Pierre batting .326.... .373 to .374 The year before when he hit .314 his OBP was over .380 He is very good about getting on base, not enough people give him credit for that. He also took a paycut to sign with us, cements the infield defense, has a gold glove. It'd make ALOT more sense to trade Pierre. His defense isn't nearly as good relatively and you could probably get alot more for him than you could for Castillo. I don't see how replacing Easley with Luis is going to give us enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez and a rightfielder...it isn't going to free enough money to sign any one of them as Pavano and Benitez would be looking at 7- 8 and 5 - 6 million multi-year deals themselves... 598438[/snapback] There isn't a guy who can step in and will be real cheap at center like there is at 2nd base. Eric Reed is a couple years away from the big leagues. I agree Castillo does a nice job getting on base, but not at a rate that makes him a huge asset. Easley provides more power, which I feel was our biggest deficiency last year, the lack of the home run. If someone offers us a heck of a deal for Castillo and it fills a need I think the FO should pursue trading him, not every year will we have the luxury of having a proven veteran player that will be cheap and can fill the starting role every year.
October 22, 200421 yr A sign and trade for Pavs. 598414[/snapback] that doesnt happen in baseball 598423[/snapback] *Yet
October 23, 200421 yr A sign and trade for Pavs. 598414[/snapback] that doesnt happen in baseball 598423[/snapback] *Yet 598808[/snapback] After the next Collective Bargaining Agreement?
October 23, 200421 yr A sign and trade for Pavs. 598414[/snapback] that doesnt happen in baseball 598423[/snapback] *Yet 598808[/snapback] After the next Collective Bargaining Agreement? 598996[/snapback] If there's a salary-cap instituted. That's the only reason it happens in the NBA, because teams can go over the cap if the money comes via a trade...
October 23, 200421 yr Author I doubt we'd get a trade just because the Yankees aren't moving quick and the deadline will pass before their winter retreat at Tampa is over and they are ready to make the moves.
October 27, 200421 yr In case you forgot, they have this guy that plays 3B for the Yankees named A-Rod.? He's pretty good.? I don't see where they play Lowell on that team, and I don't see either him nor A-Rod wanting to split time at DH. 598067[/snapback] I remember seeing a little something about Lowell moving to 1B with them. 598071[/snapback] What are they going to do with Giambi? He doesn't want to be a DH. That would make Lowell an $8-10 million/year DH. I don't see that happening.
October 27, 200421 yr how about we don't worry about Vazquez and just sign Pavano 598078[/snapback] 'Cos the likelihood of him duplicating this year is pretty slim. The guy is another Jarrod Washburn.
October 27, 200421 yr Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder. 598091[/snapback] If anything, that was the worst move of last offseason. There was no reason to sign Castillo, when Cabrera could've been moved to 2B. That money could've easily been used to keep I-Rod here, and the Marlins would've rolled into the playoffs.
October 27, 200421 yr I think the Yanks could make a deal for prospects, then flip those prospects for a player they want - say Unit? I would gladly take Giambi off their hands, if they eat a serious portion of his payroll and we get some kind of 'insurance' against any foreseeable injury. The latter may be impossible. But let's play with that scenario a sec. Giambi at 1B, Miggy at 3B and move Conine to LF. You trade Lowell and shed his $8M and depending on Giambi's contract status, you can save some money there (if the Yanks eat his salary, of course). We throw in a couple of strong prospects to help them land the Unit (Hutchinson, for starters) and get back Vazquez - whose salary we can eat more of because it is a shorter contract and more likely to be worth the money we spend. So, we trade Lowell, Hutchinson (and some other prospects) and get back Giambi (at a discount) and Vazquez (at around $8-10M per?). I think that would be a huge upgrade for this team and would help the Yankees as they get Lowell to play 1B and trade for the Unit - they replace what they lost and do it for nominal finances (which they can afford, of course). And they can still sign Beltran.
October 27, 200421 yr I think the Yanks could make a deal for prospects, then flip those prospects for a player they want - say Unit? I would gladly take Giambi off their hands, if they eat a serious portion of his payroll and we get some kind of 'insurance' against any foreseeable injury. The latter may be impossible. But let's play with that scenario a sec. Giambi at 1B, Miggy at 3B and move Conine to LF. You trade Lowell and shed his $8M and depending on Giambi's contract status, you can save some money there (if the Yanks eat his salary, of course). We throw in a couple of strong prospects to help them land the Unit (Hutchinson, for starters) and get back Vazquez - whose salary we can eat more of because it is a shorter contract and more likely to be worth the money we spend. So, we trade Lowell, Hutchinson (and some other prospects) and get back Giambi (at a discount) and Vazquez (at around $8-10M per?). I think that would be a huge upgrade for this team and would help the Yankees as they get Lowell to play 1B and trade for the Unit - they replace what they lost and do it for nominal finances (which they can afford, of course). And they can still sign Beltran. 602274[/snapback] Get ready to be called insane, Jonny. :mischief That is more of a stretch than my plan to get ARod and people hammered me for it.
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