Anybody think Cashman is ready to make room for next year by getting rid of Brown and Vazquez for cheap?

 

Both has multiyear deals making over $10m a season, but I bet they are willing to let them go for peanuts before their Xmas shopping spree.

 

I hope the Marlins look at Vazquez as Plan B in case Pavs leaves.

what do we have that they want?

 

unless you want to give one of our young cheap SP for an older more expensive one.

 

not happening.

Seeing that Tony Clark is absolutely useless, Vazquez for Wil Cordero sounds like a good deal.

logic.

Keep dreaming

They'll want to dump them, sure. But there's no way they'll end up here. Brown and Vasquez's combined salary is $25mill/year. Do you honestly think you can get that in trade for B-rated talent? Do you think Loria & co. will agree to add any of that to our payroll? Let's be realistic.

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I think you misread. I am saying the Fish should look for a discounted Vazquez in case Pavano walks.

 

Even if Brown was cheap, would you want him?

Javier would be good for any team, and he would be great in the NL. Brown is about as washed up as a player could be.

Lowell (if he's a goner) and Encarnacion for Vazquez (with a lot of money paid) does the trick.

 

However, I think we're more likely to do Lowell and Encarnacion or just Lowell for Brown with $10 mil of next year paid. Brown's only under contract for next year at $15 million.

 

 

I'm not advocating either of these moves really, but if it's come down to "we must trade Lowell before Nov. 1" these guys will never have lower stock, and Lowell's will never be higher to the Yanks, and it allows us to free up some money from trading Lowell and Encarnacion for a paid pitcher, allowing us to keep Benitez, and probably let Pavano walk.

 

 

Does it make us better or even stay the same? That's the million dollar question.

While I wouldn't be looking for Brown or Vasquez to join the Fish in 2005 for any number of reasons (mostly money) the idea of trading with the Yankees (read Mike Lowell) may make alot of sense.

 

I'd be a liar if I said I knew what major league-ready players the evil empire has in their minor league organization, if any, but about the worst place (career-wise) to be a minorleaguer is with them. I suppose I could do the usual research - minor league websites, search the local daily newspapers of their AA and AAA franchises, etc. - but stats can be deceiving and when you're reading pieces written by second rate reporters who may or not be good evaluators of potential ML talent, it's tough to make up your mind about player X.

 

If anyone has any info on the Yankees farm system I'd like to hear it.

While I wouldn't be looking for Brown or Vasquez to join the Fish in 2005 for any number of reasons (mostly money) the idea of trading with the Yankees (read Mike Lowell) may make alot of sense.

 

I'd be a liar if I said I knew what major league-ready players the evil empire has in their minor league organization, if any, but about the worst place (career-wise) to be a minorleaguer is with them. I suppose I could do the usual research - minor league websites, search the local daily newspapers of their AA and AAA franchises, etc. - but stats can be deceiving and when you're reading pieces written by second rate reporters who may or not be good evaluators of potential ML talent, it's tough to make up your mind about player X.

 

If anyone has any info on the Yankees farm system I'd like to hear it.

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*light bulb goes off*

 

I forget the guys name but they have this catcher (Dionisius?) that is ready for prime time. He is another stocky Puerto Rican kid who can catch, throw and hit. I think they call him Pudgecito.

 

Lowell and Enc for Brown is a deal which makes me want to hurl, but if you can get a Miguel Cabrera type kid at catcher in that kid then its probably worth the risk.

Is Vazquez going into FA this year? What are the terms of his contract?

 

And I don't know about Lowell to the Yankees (though I'm beginning to face the inevitability of him leaving through trade before Nov. 1). At some point, doesn't Steinbrenner realize that the way to create a successful team is not by buying up every talented FA out there? But I guess that's a discussion for the MLB board.

If anyone has any info on the Yankees farm system I'd like to hear it.

 

 

Interesting question. They were talking about this on "Cold Pizza" this morning. Apparently, the Yankee farm system is harvested-out. The main reason they couldn't move Johnson to New York in July is because they have no prospects to offer anyone in return. Jim Bowden pointed to this as the main flaw the Yankees have and the most important thing they need to do to turn things around

gimme Vaz, some money, Dioner Navarro(catching stud), and Brad Halsey(some reason I just like him) for Lowell and Enc....

I would have taken Nick Johnson, Dioner, and Vazquez for Lowell, Enc and pitching prospect

 

but they dont have Nick Johnson

In case you forgot, they have this guy that plays 3B for the Yankees named A-Rod. He's pretty good. I don't see where they play Lowell on that team, and I don't see either him nor A-Rod wanting to split time at DH.

 

 

If they wanted to do a straight salary dump, the Marlins should absolutely try to get Vazquez. They're now free of all obligations to pay for Mike Hampton/Charles Johnson/Preston Wilson's contracts, so there should be a little extra cayshe left over.

 

The only places I can see that could afford Lowell and need a 3B would be: the Mariners (a possibility and supposedly flush with pitching prospects), the D-Backs (seemingly always have decent prospects available), and maybe the White Sox (if Kenny Williams hasn't been completely fleeced of any top prospects by now - Joe Crede is officially a bust by now).

In case you forgot, they have this guy that plays 3B for the Yankees named A-Rod. He's pretty good. I don't see where they play Lowell on that team, and I don't see either him nor A-Rod wanting to split time at DH.

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I remember seeing a little something about Lowell moving to 1B with them.

well im thinking that if they are to get lowell it would be to either

 

A) move ARod to SS - Jeter to 2nd

B) play Lowell at first and keep ARod at 3rd

Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect.

Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect.

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Ummm...no thanks.

how about we don't worry about Vazquez and just sign Pavano

Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect.

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OK, I'm up in New York, so I'm hearing just about everything sports radio has to say:

 

 

First of all, Javy is signed through 2007 at about $11 mil a season (lower next year, higher in 2007, so it's backloaded, but it's $11 mil prorated), and he is quasi-available. The feeling is that since the only pitchers under contract are Mussina, Brown (for only next year) and Vazquez (through 2007), they're only locked into Mussina, following the logic that Brown only has one year left so some team will take a flier on him if the Yankees pick up half, and Vazquez is their only trade chip if they're going to overhaul the infield.

 

Jeter is the only Yankee who has any job security, and it sounds outlandish, but ARod and Sheff are taking some serious heat for disappearing, so bad that some question whether Steinbrenner does something rash and trades them.

 

There are no prospects in their organization because Dioneer Navarro (Pudgeito), didn't fare as well at AAA as the Yankees would have liked from a "can't miss" prospect, and it really hurt his trade value. The thought is that Navarro may stay simply because Jorge is getting up in years, and perhaps Jorge goes to the bench in 2006, with Navarro playing backup in 2005.

 

The other thing that people up here question is Beltran. Some think that Beltran isn't as pressing a need as pitching, but there is a dearth of lefty-starters on the market, something the Yankees absolutely have to have.

 

 

 

 

And my two cents as a Marlin fan:

 

If the Marlins have already resolved themselves to trading Lowell, having the Yankees lose like this is good for us because we only have until Nov. 1 to trade Lowell, and you have to think that the Yankees want to do something on that front sooner rather than later if they want Lowell.

 

Lowell would (barring something crazy) become the firstbaseman/dh, depending on what happens with Bernie/Beltran/Giambi (who is trade-bait).

how about we don't worry about Vazquez and just sign Pavano

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ding ... ding ... ding ... WE HAVE A WINNER!

Castillo and Enc for Vazquez with his contract paid, and a prospect.

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Since when is castillo so great? He's a singles hitter, with no power, and doesn't get on base at a spectacular rate by any means. We'd free up 10 million dollars and get a top of the rotation pitcher. Easley can replace Castillo and we'd have enough money to resign Pavano, Benitez, and a a rightfielder.