February 2, 200521 yr Carlos Delgado wouldn't be taxed by a trade. The first baseman has a special tax-equalization provision in the $52 million, four-year contract he agreed to with the Florida Marlins last week, according to details of the deal obtained by The Associated Press. While Florida doesn't have a state income tax, many states with major league teams do. Delgado doesn't have a no-trade clause and if he is dealt, the contract requires that the club acquiring him make up any difference in state and local taxes. "He'll net out, regardless where he goes if traded, exactly what he would have netted had he remained in Florida," Delgado's agent, David Sloane, said Tuesday. "So if it's to a place with state and city tax, then he'll be made whole for state and city taxes." Delgado's contract calls for salaries of $4 million this year, $13.5 million in 2006, $14.5 million in 2007 and $16 million in 2008. The Marlins have a $12 million option for 2009 with a $4 million buyout, but the option would become guaranteed at $16 million if Delgado accumulates 30 points under a system in which he gets 10 points for winning the MVP award down to one point for finishing 10th, 20 points for the World Series MVP award and 10 for the league championship series MVP award. Delgado will receive half of each year's salary during the season, and half each Nov. 30. He also would earn $50,000 if he is selected to the All-Star team, $500,000 if he is the World Series MVP, $100,000 if he is the LCS MVP, $25,000 if he wins a Silver Slugger and $25,000 if he wins a Gold Glove. He gets $100,000 if he wins the NL MVP award, and has a unique provision if he finishes second: He gets $50,000, but only if he finishes behind Barry Bonds, who has won seven MVP awards, including the last four. "They said we have a policy that we only pay for winning," Sloane said, referring to the Marlins. "What can I say, the guy has had a monopoly on the MVP." http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n...1935EST0442.DTL
February 2, 200521 yr I see Delgado's point here. He is backloading a bunch of money and taxes on 14 million is a lot more than taxes on 4 millions. Good job by the Front Office on not giving a no-trade clause.
February 2, 200521 yr Why bother with a no-trade clause. It's not like he's gonna wanna be traded. 674771[/snapback] it isnt for him.
February 2, 200521 yr Yep, nice to see they didn't give him a no-trade clause. Leaves options open. 674781[/snapback] How open though? You have to figure we're going to want him for at least the first two years, likely the first three, and at that money, that contract is in itself a no-trade clause...
February 2, 200521 yr i don't wanna be paying this guy 16 million when he's 36 we overpayed, i'll say it but we'll enjoy it thoroughly for at least 2 years, probably 3 even his 4th year he could have 2004-ish numbers. Not worth 16 mill though.
February 2, 200521 yr we just got him and you guys are already talking about trading him in 2 years.... :mischief2
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million 675076[/snapback] i agree
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million 675076[/snapback] I would agree with you if Delgado wasn't 32 and knee problems weren't already starting to hinder his performance, and now he can't even take a few days off and DH. He'll be good for a few years, but as most big money contracts do, this one will hurt later on.
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million 675076[/snapback] I would agree with you if Delgado wasn't 32 and knee problems weren't already starting to hinder his performance, and now he can't even take a few days off and DH. He'll be good for a few years, but as most big money contracts do, this one will hurt later on. 675114[/snapback] u can't talk cuz u over paid for pedro
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million 675076[/snapback] I would agree with you if Delgado wasn't 32 and knee problems weren't already starting to hinder his performance, and now he can't even take a few days off and DH. He'll be good for a few years, but as most big money contracts do, this one will hurt later on. 675114[/snapback] u can't talk cuz u over paid for pedro 675115[/snapback] The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas.
February 2, 200521 yr The problem is that people in this message board think that b/c someone is 35 or 36 that they automatically are going to suck. But unless serious injury occurs good players usually play well up until they are 35 or 36. (palmeiro, bonds, sosa) True maybe at 36 he wont be worth 16 million, but then at 32 hes worth much more than 4 million 675076[/snapback] I would agree with you if Delgado wasn't 32 and knee problems weren't already starting to hinder his performance, and now he can't even take a few days off and DH. He'll be good for a few years, but as most big money contracts do, this one will hurt later on. 675114[/snapback] u can't talk cuz u over paid for pedro 675115[/snapback] The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] pedro overpaid and u won't see the playoff..and let me ask u one thing who has more rings???
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown
February 2, 200521 yr But Pedro is showing signs of old age now. He is loosing his velocity and i don't think he can be like Greg Maddux and be good with weak stuff. Pedro has 13 seasons while carlos delgado has 12 but he is a first baesmen, its not as much of a factor. Too much money for a ageing arm. :deadhorse :marlins
February 2, 200521 yr But Pedro is showing signs of old age now. He is loosing his velocity and i don't think he can be like Greg Maddux and be good with weak stuff. Pedro has 13 seasons while carlos delgado has 12 but he is a first baesmen, its not as much of a factor. Too much money for a ageing arm. :deadhorse :marlins 675121[/snapback] i agree an i aloso think they overpaid beltran
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown 675120[/snapback] bulls***, if you guys miss the playoffs you're screwed. Without all that postseason revenue you'll probably lose Beckett and/or Burnett to free agency (which is probably going to happen anyway) and you can't afford to replace them. Without a team that can compete even less people than you have now will go to the games, and evenutally you'll either be contracted or moved to Las Vegas. The future of the franchise could very well rest on the outcome of this season.
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown 675120[/snapback] bulls***, if you guys miss the playoffs you're screwed. Without all that postseason revenue you'll probably lose Beckett and/or Burnett to free agency (which is probably going to happen anyway) and you can't afford to replace them. Without a team that can compete even less people than you have now will go to the games, and evenutally you'll either be contracted or moved to Las Vegas. The future of the franchise could very well rest on the outcome of this season. 675150[/snapback] You're full of s***. First of all, at worst we are the second best team in the NL East and at best we win the World Series. They'll definitely compete. And, since you don't know jack s*** and spend half the day licking Omar Minaya's nutsack, I'll tell you that season ticket sales are way up this year because of Delgado. We'll average at least 25K this year (we averaged 22K last year) and if we're in it the whole year, you can bet we'll average 30K. We didn't make any postseason revenue last year and we still signed Delgado. You're such a balls licking dumbass. Oh, and at best, your team finishes in 3rd place this coming year! How you like dem apples, bitch!?
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown 675120[/snapback] bulls***, if you guys miss the playoffs you're screwed. Without all that postseason revenue you'll probably lose Beckett and/or Burnett to free agency (which is probably going to happen anyway) and you can't afford to replace them. Without a team that can compete even less people than you have now will go to the games, and evenutally you'll either be contracted or moved to Las Vegas. The future of the franchise could very well rest on the outcome of this season. 675150[/snapback] You're full of s***. First of all, at worst we are the second best team in the NL East and at best we win the World Series. They'll definitely compete. And, since you don't know jack s*** and spend half the day licking Omar Minaya's nutsack, I'll tell you that season ticket sales are way up this year because of Delgado. We'll average at least 25K this year (we averaged 22K last year) and if we're in it the whole year, you can bet we'll average 30K. We didn't make any postseason revenue last year and we still signed Delgado. You're such a balls licking dumbass. Oh, and at best, your team finishes in 3rd place this coming year! How you like dem apples, bitch!? 675156[/snapback] nice :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown 675120[/snapback] bulls***, if you guys miss the playoffs you're screwed. Without all that postseason revenue you'll probably lose Beckett and/or Burnett to free agency (which is probably going to happen anyway) and you can't afford to replace them. Without a team that can compete even less people than you have now will go to the games, and evenutally you'll either be contracted or moved to Las Vegas. The future of the franchise could very well rest on the outcome of this season. 675150[/snapback] You're full of s***. First of all, at worst we are the second best team in the NL East and at best we win the World Series. They'll definitely compete. And, since you don't know jack s*** and spend half the day licking Omar Minaya's nutsack, I'll tell you that season ticket sales are way up this year because of Delgado. We'll average at least 25K this year (we averaged 22K last year) and if we're in it the whole year, you can bet we'll average 30K. We didn't make any postseason revenue last year and we still signed Delgado. You're such a balls licking dumbass. Oh, and at best, your team finishes in 3rd place this coming year! How you like dem apples, bitch!? 675156[/snapback] Just because you're a preseason favorite doesn't make you a lock for anything, especially with injury machines like Burnett and Beckett as your top 2. Either of those players go down for an extended period of time and you can kiss the playoffs good bye. And the only way you could afford Delgado was by deferring enormous amounts of money, you're only paying him 4 million next year, so don't act like you have money to burn. The fact is Miami is a s***ty baseball town, and there's no way they are going to sustain a Major League team there for much longer. You better hope you're in the playoff hunt, because if you aren't then you're going to have to fly Las Vegas next year to see the Marlins play.
February 2, 200521 yr The Mets can afford to overpay, especially for a pitcher like Pedro. The Marlins can't, they're one f***-up away from moving to Las Vegas. 675118[/snapback] Pure unadulterated sour grapes BS :thumbdown 675120[/snapback] bulls***, if you guys miss the playoffs you're screwed. Without all that postseason revenue you'll probably lose Beckett and/or Burnett to free agency (which is probably going to happen anyway) and you can't afford to replace them. Without a team that can compete even less people than you have now will go to the games, and evenutally you'll either be contracted or moved to Las Vegas. The future of the franchise could very well rest on the outcome of this season. 675150[/snapback] You're full of s***. First of all, at worst we are the second best team in the NL East and at best we win the World Series. They'll definitely compete. And, since you don't know jack s*** and spend half the day licking Omar Minaya's nutsack, I'll tell you that season ticket sales are way up this year because of Delgado. We'll average at least 25K this year (we averaged 22K last year) and if we're in it the whole year, you can bet we'll average 30K. We didn't make any postseason revenue last year and we still signed Delgado. You're such a balls licking dumbass. Oh, and at best, your team finishes in 3rd place this coming year! How you like dem apples, bitch!? 675156[/snapback] Just because you're a preseason favorite doesn't make you a lock for anything, especially with injury machines like Burnett and Beckett as your top 2. Either of those players go down for an extended period of time and you can kiss the playoffs good bye. And the only way you could afford Delgado was by deferring enormous amounts of money, you're only paying him 4 million next year, so don't act like you have money to burn. The fact is Miami is a s***ty baseball town, and there's no way they are going to sustain a Major League team there for much longer. You better hope you're in the playoff hunt, because if you aren't then you're going to have to fly Las Vegas next year to see the Marlins play. 675159[/snapback] let me ask u something do u think u have a shot plz don't make me laugh, ur a f***ing idiot
February 2, 200521 yr let me ask u something do u think u have a shot plz don't make me laugh, ur a f***ing idiot 675160[/snapback] You can barely type a coherent sentence and you're calling me an idiot?
February 2, 200521 yr let me ask u something do u think u have a shot plz don't make me laugh, ur a f***ing idiot 675160[/snapback] You can barely type a coherent sentence and you're calling me an idiot? 675164[/snapback] talk to me when the season starts a**hole and we'll see who's right u f***...anyway its not like the mets are going anywhere,at best they finish 4th
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