July 19, 200323 yr Yes, I'd voted him into the HOF. I'd also vote the Hawk in (as a Marlin ) But thats me.
July 19, 200323 yr No, he wouldn't go. I just don't think he has done enough yet. Thankfully he has lots of time left. He will get healthy sooner or later, probably not with Cinci though.
July 19, 200323 yr Author No, he wouldn't go. I just don't think he has done enough yet. Thankfully he has lots of time left. He will get healthy sooner or later, probably not with Cinci though. so these numbers arent good enough for the Hall? Named to the All Century Team 1 MVP 10 Gold Gloves 11 All Star Games Career BA of .294 481 HR's 1384 RBI's 382 2B's 940 BB's just trying to be devil's advocate here
July 20, 200323 yr Well, Sosa is I don't see how Raffy doesn't make it. I don't see how Griffey doesn't make it for that matter...
July 20, 200323 yr Well, Sosa is off course Raffy is a HOF... 7 str8 season with 40 + HRs , 500 + HRs , 1200+ RBi , 150+ SB , Great D he a Hall of Famer!
July 20, 200323 yr The reason I said that Sosa/Palmeiro aren't locks yet is because remember when Rafi hit his 500th? The press was saying how it wasn't a lock. It think they both will go in though, pending what Sammy does the rest of his career in the HR category. Junior has plenty of time to play, he is still very young and athletic.
July 20, 200323 yr Griffey is a hall of famer. If Griffey retired when he got to the Reds would you of voted him in? question
July 20, 200323 yr Griffey was to be better than Willie Mayes. He won't accomplish that now, but almost no doubt he would have...
July 21, 200323 yr Griffey is an instant HoF. No question about it. I think this is a dumb question I really do. Griffey is one of the 50-75 best ever.
July 21, 200323 yr Here's the problem that the media had with guys like McGriff and Raffy: Was the person I'm voting for considered the best player in his league? For Griffey, that's a resounding yes. He spent several years as one of the premiere superstars of the game with an MVP to show for it. --------------------------------------------------------- What about Raffy? No batting titles. No MVPs. Not a defensive superstar a la Ozie Smith [3 gg's doesn't cut it]. Always a "respected" hitter, but never a FEARED hitter. Never broke top 5 in MVP voting - only broke top 10 3 times. For comparison, Nomar Garciaparra already has 2 batting titles, 4 top 10 MVP votes [including finishing 2nd in '98], and has as many All Star appearances. Or, if you want to compare 1 baggers: Giambi has an MVP award. He already has as many All Star appearances. AND, Giambi is batting 16 points higher while hitting dingers at a faster rate [228 after 8 seasons]. --------------------------------------------------------- What about McGriff? No batting titles. No MVPs. Never a defensive superstar. Always a "respected" hitter, but never a FEARED hitter. Never broke top 5 in MVP voting. His case is an even tougher sell than Palmeiro's. At least Raffy had a couple of gg's on his resume. Then again, if you look at his raw CAREER stats, he's right up there with the likes of Willie Stargell, Ernie Banks, and Reggie Jackson. --------------------------------------------------------- I don't know what the right answer is. However, if Raffy and McGriff get in - I feel like the HOF will be getting watered down. There's no denying that Raffy and McGriff have been really good players when you look at their careers. Absolutely no denying that fact. BUT the HOF shouldn't be for "really good" players, it should be reserved for the GREATEST players of their generation. Bottom line, that shoe doesn't fit McGriff or Raffy.
July 21, 200323 yr Yankeefan, I agree. I think they both make it. The stats make the man when it comes to the Hall...
July 22, 200323 yr The HOF in my opinion is for those who have the best all time stats and raffy and MacGrrif get in by reaching 500. so does Griffey.
July 22, 200323 yr Burnettheat34, I would agree with you if all things remained the same. That being said, all things have NOT remained the same. For whatever reason - choose your favorite one - players hit home runs at a far greater clip now than they did in the 10's and 20's, right? For example, Frank Schulte led the league in home runs with 10 in 1910. Ty Cobb led the league with 9 in 1909. You have major leaguers hitting 15 in part time duty these days... If Michael Tucker puts up 15 hr's a year, does that mean that he is more deserving of HOF status than Ty Cobb? I think all numbers need to be put into a context...
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