When you are in extra innings you should pitch your long relief man last, so you don?t end up having to put in a starter? But instead Mckeon uses Bump instead of Mota late in the game where there probably won?t be many innings left.

 

A closer is almost always the best pitcher in your pen? So why not have him pitch in a non save situation, just because hes a closer doesn?t meen he can only close games? Utilise your bullpen right Mckeon, and if its because Mota pitched the day before don?t have him pitch with a 9 run lead?

I was wondering why Mota didn't come in to pitch the 9th but it's probably because he's been shaky his last few games.

I have to agree. The Angels were in a similair situation last night and K-Rod gave them two solid shutout innings while in extra innings. Seems like the logical choice would to have been Mota before Bump.

 

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I was unhappy to see Bump out there instead of Mota but I understood why that was Jack's decision.

 

Either Mota is your closer or he isn't. With no victory on the line Jack did the right thing, the only thing he could in that situation.

 

The Fish had plenty of chances to win (or at least score) and didn't capitalize on them. One paper said the Marlins (players, coaches???) were "surprised" that Pierre attempted to bunt in that situation, implying he was not directed to do so from the bench but rather made the decision himself, which I'm not sure is true or not considering the jump Easley had. It certainly appeared to be a predetermined play to me. Moving the guy to third on a bunt seems like pure Trader Jack stuff. But then again Pierre may have signaled Easley on his own what his intention was. Who knows?

I was unhappy to see Bump out there instead of Mota but I understood why that was Jack's decision.

 

Either Mota is your closer or he isn't. With no victory on the line Jack did the right thing, the only thing he could in that situation.

 

The Fish had plenty of chances to win (or at least score) and didn't capitalize on them. One paper said the Marlins (players, coaches???) were "surprised" that Pierre attempted to bunt in that situation, implying he was not directed to do so from the bench but rather made the decision himself, which I'm not sure is true or not considering the jump Easley had. It certainly appeared to be a predetermined play to me. Moving the guy to third on a bunt seems like pure Trader Jack stuff. But then again Pierre may have signaled Easley on his own what his intention was. Who knows?

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Easley may have jumped when he saw that Pierre was squaring up to bunt.

The truth of the matter is, Cox didn't use Kolb until he had to either. If one of the Marlins connected on one of the earlier pitchers in extra innings Braves fans would be up in arms too.

 

Your closer is suppose to be the last guy out and your best pitcher. You want to bring him into a jam, not have to take him out because of one. Its not like Bump was struggling, has 2 guys on or anything. I think if Bump got into trouble, 2 guys on 0 or 1 outs then you probably would have seen Mota. But both offenses were sucking and after Mota I think we only had 1 other pitcher, so if Jack put Mota in, that would have given us 2 innings at the most, then plus whatever else we had. He just didn't want to get too close to having to use the SPs before he had to.

Mota was our last guy in the pen. You bring him in the 13th and he can't pitch past the 14th. If he pitches two innings last night and then he's in a save situation tonight, we're in trouble because he also pitched an inning on Tuesday. He's going to be tired after having pitched 3 innings in 2 days. I think Jack made the right decision. Keep Bump in there through the 14 or 15 if possible (since you won't use Bump that often) and then bring in Mota if it gets ridiculous and we get to the 16th inning.

The truth of the matter is, Cox didn't use Kolb until he had to either. If one of the Marlins connected on one of the earlier pitchers in extra innings Braves fans would be up in arms too.

 

Your closer is suppose to be the last guy out and your best pitcher. You want to bring him into a jam, not have to take him out because of one. Its not like Bump was struggling, has 2 guys on or anything. I think if Bump got into trouble, 2 guys on 0 or 1 outs then you probably would have seen Mota. But both offenses were sucking and after Mota I think we only had 1 other pitcher, so if Jack put Mota in, that would have given us 2 innings at the most, then plus whatever else we had. He just didn't want to get too close to having to use the SPs before he had to.

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Sorry, but this is just flat-out wrong. The situation when you are the home team is completely different. Cox was correct in using Kolb when he did. You only use the closer to close. In the Marlins case after the game went to extra innings there was no opportunity for a save. See how Mike Scioscia utilized K-Rod last night as an illustration of this.

The truth of the matter is, Cox didn't use Kolb until he had to either. If one of the Marlins connected on one of the earlier pitchers in extra innings Braves fans would be up in arms too.

 

Your closer is suppose to be the last guy out and your best pitcher. You want to bring him into a jam, not have to take him out because of one. Its not like Bump was struggling, has 2 guys on or anything. I think if Bump got into trouble, 2 guys on 0 or 1 outs then you probably would have seen Mota. But both offenses were sucking and after Mota I think we only had 1 other pitcher, so if Jack put Mota in, that would have given us 2 innings at the most, then plus whatever else we had. He just didn't want to get too close to having to use the SPs before he had to.

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Sorry, but this is just flat-out wrong. The situation when you are the home team is completely different. Cox was correct in using Kolb when he did. You only use the closer to close. In the Marlins case after the game went to extra innings there was no opportunity for a save. See how Mike Scioscia utilized K-Rod last night as an illustration of this.

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Home team should bring in their closer for 9th (and possibly 10th) innings in a tie game. Away team should only bring in closer once they secure a lead. Cox did the right thing, Marlins didn't.

The truth of the matter is, Cox didn't use Kolb until he had to either. If one of the Marlins connected on one of the earlier pitchers in extra innings Braves fans would be up in arms too.

 

Your closer is suppose to be the last guy out and your best pitcher. You want to bring him into a jam, not have to take him out because of one. Its not like Bump was struggling, has 2 guys on or anything. I think if Bump got into trouble, 2 guys on 0 or 1 outs then you probably would have seen Mota. But both offenses were sucking and after Mota I think we only had 1 other pitcher, so if Jack put Mota in, that would have given us 2 innings at the most, then plus whatever else we had. He just didn't want to get too close to having to use the SPs before he had to.

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Sorry, but this is just flat-out wrong. The situation when you are the home team is completely different. Cox was correct in using Kolb when he did. You only use the closer to close. In the Marlins case after the game went to extra innings there was no opportunity for a save. See how Mike Scioscia utilized K-Rod last night as an illustration of this.

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Home team should bring in their closer for 9th (and possibly 10th) innings in a tie game. Away team should only bring in closer once they secure a lead. Cox did the right thing, Marlins didn't.

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I agree. But since the bullpen looked solid, I think Jack didn't want to tinker with it too much. Once the 10th inning passed, Mota was the last guy in line.

Could there be something wrong with Mota? Did he feel tired? Just not up to it last night?

 

This was a home game against a top division competitor. We had a good chance to win the game. There was no save situation at all. No reason to save him unless he couldn't pitch. Most managers save one last bullpen arm to be the sacrificial lamb to pitch until the game is decided, rarely ever is it the closer, it's usually a long man like Bump or Moehler.

We arent going to put a closer to eat up innings. Closers have the least stamina in the team and they wont be the same if they had to go like 3 games in a row after they "ate up innings".

Nevermind.

 

Bump came into the game to get the double play. Sure, Mota could have induced one too, but it's not his skill. After that, Mota wasn't going to come into the game unless Bump was injured.

 

All apologies to McKeon for the questioning... regarding last night's game.

no need to overuse mota this early in the season.

 

 

if perisho does his job we dont have this discussion.

 

 

maybe we should have done a double switch to get moehler an extra inning or two but thats really the only thing different you might do.

 

 

if you were going to use mota, you use him in the 9th or 10th inning or not at all.

no biggie ... its early, and Jack did the same last year with Benitez. Lets not get into these situations so early in the season.

I was unhappy to see Bump out there instead of Mota but I understood why that was Jack's decision.

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I was unhappy to see Perisho out there....