Firing Robinson is not the answer. We still have a great team average overall. Everyone is just slumping... or something. I have said this before and I will say it again... We will come out of it hitting strongly. This is all just a fluke. Or so I want to think. I hope.

I wonder what you guys would say if we fired him and the team kept slumping

 

I really do, because I think it's very likely

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If they were to fire Robinson and the new coach does nothing then would I want them to make some trades.

Firing Robinson is not the answer. We still have a great team average overall. Everyone is just slumping... or something. I have said this before and I will say it again... We will come out of it hitting strongly. This is all just a fluke. Or so I want to think. I hope.

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BA is bulls***.

 

We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat.

Firing Robinson is not the answer.? We still have a great team average overall.? Everyone is just slumping... or something.? I have said this before and I will say it again... We will come out of it hitting strongly.? This is all just a fluke.? Or so I want to think.? I hope.

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BA is bulls***.

 

We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat.

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Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton.

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First 20 games (Before firing the coach):

 

.270 BA

4.75 runs a game

 

Last 32 games (After firing hitting coach)

.273 BA

5 runs a game

 

Yes a TON. (+.003 in BA and maybe 1 or 2 runs mroe a week) :plain

 

It doesn't have anything to do with the fact in the first 20 games of the year they played Bos/NYY/Bal/Oak for 13 of their first 20 games. And since they have played those teams 9 times out of 32 games.

 

I would love to hear how you spin .25 runs on average better as a TON of difference.... so please do.

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Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement.

 

From what I've heard some of the veteran hitters like Wells and some other guy pushed for the firing because of his crappy coaching technique.

 

You might wanna check some of the offensive stats for the Blue Jays for last September too.

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You said TON, show me TON... or take it back. :whistle And are you saying if the Marlins fire their hitting coach that they will see a TON, or a whole big improvement of .25 more runs a game? Because I see how .25 runs help in 9-1, 5-3, 3-1 games. .

 

And we lead the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS. You really have a hard time understanding numbers. I mean we are in the top half of most of the major statisical numbers yet you say we are near the bottom of them all. Man, I think you need glasses and a new hobby rather then bashing on Robinson.

Yeah but statistics sometimes don't show:

 

1)When hitters are slumping with RISP.

 

2)When we can't move up runners.

 

3)When we can't string hits togethers to score enough runs.

 

4)When we are getting outs when we needed a key clutch hit.

 

 

I stand by my idea. He needs to get fired.

It's not that they are slumping this year.

 

We added a premier power first baseman from the left side, our best hitter is a year older, and everyone else was back for another season. So the offense should be better. Instead, it's the same bottom of the NL crap as last year that score runs in bunches for three days and then don't for two weeks. Scoring one and two runs on ten hits, something we seem to like doing often, is completely and utterly ridiculous.

 

Is Robinson the answer? Who knows. Right now the only part of the coaching staff doing their job correctly is Mark Wiley.

 

Edgar f***ing Martinez dammit

Firing Robinson is not the answer.? We still have a great team average overall.? Everyone is just slumping... or something.? I have said this before and I will say it again... We will come out of it hitting strongly.? This is all just a fluke.? Or so I want to think.? I hope.

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BA is bulls***.

 

We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat.

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Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton.

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First 20 games (Before firing the coach):

 

.270 BA

4.75 runs a game

 

Last 32 games (After firing hitting coach)

.273 BA

5 runs a game

 

Yes a TON. (+.003 in BA and maybe 1 or 2 runs mroe a week) :plain

 

It doesn't have anything to do with the fact in the first 20 games of the year they played Bos/NYY/Bal/Oak for 13 of their first 20 games. And since they have played those teams 9 times out of 32 games.

 

I would love to hear how you spin .25 runs on average better as a TON of difference.... so please do.

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Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement.

 

From what I've heard some of the veteran hitters like Wells and some other guy pushed for the firing because of his crappy coaching technique.

 

You might wanna check some of the offensive stats for the Blue Jays for last September too.

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You said TON, show me TON... or take it back. :whistle And are you saying if the Marlins fire their hitting coach that they will see a TON, or a whole big improvement of .25 more runs a game? Because I see how .25 runs help in 9-1, 5-3, 3-1 games. .

 

And we lead the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS. You really have a hard time understanding numbers. I mean we are in the top half of most of the major statisical numbers yet you say we are near the bottom of them all. Man, I think you need glasses and a new hobby rather then bashing on Robinson.

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Look PhishPhan I know you have a little vendetta against me so just drop it. I'm not going into this business of your os dissecting every single sentence in a post. You know what the f*** I meant.

 

Stats say one thing and the eyes say another.

 

It's pretty easly to have blotted stats like that when your offense is all or nothing.

 

11 run games- 1

10-0

9- 5

8- 4

7- 2

6- 6

5- 4

4- 9

3- 2

2- 7

1- 7

0- 3

 

Games in which offense score between 0-3 runs- 19

4-6 runs- 19

7-11 runs- 12

 

Pretty damn inconsistent if you ask me.

I can't wait for Bill Robinson to get fired so I don't have to wade through 8 million posts about him. Though I may have to go through another 8 million posts about the next guy, hopefully by then I would have left this cry baby board.

Pretty damn inconsistent if you ask me.

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You have trouble staying on target too, who brought up inconsistency before that post?

 

And if I misunderstood you, tell me what you meant by

BA is bulls***.

 

We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat.

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If you did not mean that leading the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS in being near the bottom of the NL.

 

 

And also tell me what you meant by:

 

Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton.

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If you did not mean 0.25 extra runs a game is a TON.

 

Until then, check out your facts before you spray around aimless blotter.

Pretty damn inconsistent if you ask me.

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You have trouble staying on target too, who brought up inconsistency before that post?

 

And if I misunderstood you, tell me what you meant by

BA is bulls***.

 

We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat.

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If you did not mean that leading the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS in being near the bottom of the NL.

 

 

And also tell me what you meant by:

 

Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton.

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If you did not mean 0.25 extra runs a game is a TON.

 

Until then, check out your facts before you spray around aimless blotter.

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No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense.

 

Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat.

If Rich Waltz was calling the game, we would have won :plain.

 

But yeah, you guys all know how I feel. I'm the #1 proponent for the firing of Bill Robinson and have been since 2 months in last season, how this man remains as a major league hitting coach is beyond me. 2003 was two seasons ago, he can't ride that season forever.

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense.

 

Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat.

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So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season.

 

Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL.

 

You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half.

 

Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit.

 

Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days."

 

The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do.

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense.

 

Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat.

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So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season.

 

Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL.

 

You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half.

 

Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit.

 

Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days."

 

The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do.

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Again you are using averages and not looking at game-by-game results.

 

This team is all or nothing. The White Sox last year were the same, and that's what lead Kenny Williams to make the changes he did.

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense.

 

Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat.

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So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season.

 

Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL.

 

You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half.

 

Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit.

 

Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days."

 

The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do.

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Again you are using averages and not looking at game-by-game results.

 

This team is all or nothing. The White Sox last year were the same, and that's what lead Kenny Williams to make the changes he did.

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Okay I will use the stat you used if you want to look at it on a game by game basis.

 

Games in which offense score between 0-3 runs- 19

4-6 runs- 19

7-11 runs- 12

 

19 times we were nothing.

31 times we were average or "all".

 

A little better than a 3:2 ratio all/average:nothing.

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense.

 

Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat.

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So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season.

 

Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL.

 

You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half.

 

Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit.

 

Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days."

 

The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do.

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Again you are using averages and not looking at game-by-game results.

 

This team is all or nothing. The White Sox last year were the same, and that's what lead Kenny Williams to make the changes he did.

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Okay I will use the stat you used if you want to look at it on a game by game basis.

 

Games in which offense score between 0-3 runs- 19

4-6 runs- 19

7-11 runs- 12

 

19 times we were nothing.

31 times we were average or "all".

 

A little better than a 3:2 ratio all/average:nothing.

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We are on pace to score somewhere around 730 runs.

 

We scored 718 runs last year.

 

Seeing as how we added Delgado. I don't think a 12 run "jump" is acceptable.

We are on pace to score somewhere around 730 runs.

 

We scored 718 runs last year.

 

Seeing as how we added Delgado. I don't think a 12 run "jump" is acceptable.

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I couldn't say it any better myself:

Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement.

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Like I said if you want to blame Robinson for Lowell's complete horrid season, then do it. You have to take in account that Lowell is on pace to hit 6 home runs versus what he did last year. Let alone his RBI numbers and the rest. Louie has already missed considerable playing time. Stolen bases for this team this year are hard things to come by, yet we are on pace to have more runs, how about that. And its not like we had zero production from 1b last year, I assure you we did have some combination of guys man 1b for us last year that did get some amount of HRs, RBIs, hits, etc. that no longer get playing time there for the most part.

 

Also, did you just use averages or is my mind playing tricks on me? :plain

We are on pace to score somewhere around 730 runs.

 

We scored 718 runs last year.

 

Seeing as how we added Delgado. I don't think a 12 run "jump"? is acceptable.

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I couldn't say it any better myself:

Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement.

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Like I said if you want to blame Robinson for Lowell's complete horrid season, then do it. You have to take in account that Lowell is on pace to hit 6 home runs versus what he did last year. Let alone his RBI numbers and the rest. Louie has already missed considerable playing time. Stolen bases for this team this year are hard things to come by, yet we are on pace to have more runs, how about that. And its not like we had zero production from 1b last year, I assure you we did have some combination of guys man 1b for us last year that did get some amount of HRs, RBIs, hits, etc. that no longer get playing time there for the most part.

 

Also, did you just use averages or is my mind playing tricks on me? :plain

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But a 12 run jump over a 2 year span when you just added one of the biggest bats in the league is not acceptable.

Welcome back PhishPhan!

In the meantime I'd like to see a lineup change for tomorrow:

 

2B Castillo

SS Gonzalez - 280+ average deserves a boost from the 8 hole

3B Cabrera

1B Delgado

RF Conine

CA Lo Duca

LF Dillon

CF Pierre - Ahead of the pitcher he will see many more fastballs.

 

Dillon or Lo Duca # 2 and Gonzalez # 6 is also worth a shot. Bottom line is a 280 hitter in front of a pitcher while we have a 250ish hitter ahead of Cabrera and Delgado doesn't make much sense when we are trying to scrape across more than 1-2 runs a game.

***BUMPED**** because the this is just a time bomb waiting to tick at the right moment.

Im sure becoming more convinced...something..anything...change!!

How does player/coach/savior/supermodel Josh Willingham sound to you?

How does player/coach/savior/supermodel Josh Willingham sound to you?

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:mischief

Stats:

 

Team BA .271 3rd NL

Team OPS .757 6th NL

Runs 228 13th NL

Scoring Posn OPS .772 9th NL

Scoring Posn 2 Out .754 7th NL

Close and Late .693 11th NL

1 Run Games 4/15

 

Bottom Line: The team can pile on runs when it doesn't matter and is poor at hitting in the clutch with the game on the line.

Stats:

 

Team BA .271 3rd NL

Team OPS .757 6th NL

Runs 228 13th NL

Scoring Posn OPS .772 9th NL

Scoring Posn 2 Out .754 7th NL

Close and Late .693 11th NL

1 Run Games 4/15

 

Bottom Line: The team can pile on runs when it doesn't matter and is poor at hitting in the clutch with the game on the line.

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sounds like 2002 and 2004