June 9, 200521 yr I'd rather have Everyday Eddie over Lidge and he's probably easier to acquire. 802396[/snapback] I don't know if either will be easy to acquire. You have to believe that it will cost Olsen and Bazardo at the least. We're not talking middle relief arms here, we're talking proven dominant closers. 802407[/snapback] Willingham will be coveted and there isn't much need for him in the Marlins organization at this time. 802412[/snapback] I don't think "coveted" is accurate. He's leading the PCL in just about every offensive category, yet he's not on the big club while we struggle to score runs. If his own team doesn't value him, what good is he in trade? Besides, neither the Mariners nor the Astros have the need for a "non-prospect" because of his age. Yes, he likely will be involved in any major trade, but it's doubtful that he is the key to the trade. 802416[/snapback] Lidge isn't going anywhere, this forum really needs to get off that kick. Yes the Astros suck, but Lidge still has at least 2 more arbitration-eligible years ahead of him. That means he's gonna be dirt cheap, relative to the way he produces. The closers who are gonna be moved are gonna be the overpaid future free agents, such as Mesa or Billy Wagner. No one trades cheap major league talent for cheap minor league talent, they trade expensive major league talent for cheap minor league talent.
June 9, 200521 yr I'd rather have Everyday Eddie over Lidge and he's probably easier to acquire. 802396[/snapback] I don't know if either will be easy to acquire. You have to believe that it will cost Olsen and Bazardo at the least. We're not talking middle relief arms here, we're talking proven dominant closers. 802407[/snapback] Willingham will be coveted and there isn't much need for him in the Marlins organization at this time. 802412[/snapback] I don't think "coveted" is accurate. He's leading the PCL in just about every offensive category, yet he's not on the big club while we struggle to score runs. If his own team doesn't value him, what good is he in trade? Besides, neither the Mariners nor the Astros have the need for a "non-prospect" because of his age. Yes, he likely will be involved in any major trade, but it's doubtful that he is the key to the trade. 802416[/snapback] Let's just say that up here the Orioles fans are literally salivating over him. He isn't on the big club because he is blocked by major leaguers that have been playing well. Seattle can use a catcher. Besides the Marlins offense isn't as bad as this board makes it out to be. They have just been struggling with RISP. 802422[/snapback] Lowell hasn't exactly been playing well, nor has Pierre. There'd be a spot for him if he was viewed as the answer. And if Seattle is trading Guardado, they're not going to need a "now" catcher, they're looking for a prospect...they got him in Clement.
June 9, 200521 yr Clement is only 21 and catchers usually take longer to develop, so they could be without a "now" catcher for a while. 802430[/snapback] but since he went to college hes farther along than most
June 9, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot.
June 9, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot. 802438[/snapback] correct..... and Willingham isnt exactly a hot commodity on the trade market meanwhile, in a totally unrelated subject, Jonny Gomes on the DRays is lighting up the stats in AAA as well... and yet Reggie Taylor got the call before him
June 9, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions?? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot. 802438[/snapback] correct..... and Willingham isnt exactly a hot commodity on the trade market 802442[/snapback] What makes you say that? I'm sure Billy Beane would love him to satisfy my alternate trade idea. Believe me, up here the O's fans want him badly with Lopez down, but they know they have nothing to give the Marlins in return. 802446[/snapback] Just because the O's fans want him, doesn't mean the FO wants him. We've been wanting Willy to get called up all year, and that hasn't happened.
June 9, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot. 802438[/snapback] correct..... and Willingham isnt exactly a hot commodity on the trade market 802442[/snapback] What makes you say that? I'm sure Billy Beane would love him to satisfy my alternate trade idea. Believe me, up here the O's fans want him badly with Lopez down, but they know they have nothing to give the Marlins in return. 802446[/snapback] Willingham isnt a catcher... he just plays one for some reason
June 9, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions?? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot. 802438[/snapback] correct..... and Willingham isnt exactly a hot commodity on the trade market 802442[/snapback] What makes you say that? I'm sure Billy Beane would love him to satisfy my alternate trade idea. Believe me, up here the O's fans want him badly with Lopez down, but they know they have nothing to give the Marlins in return. 802446[/snapback] We've been wanting Willy to get called up all year, and that hasn't happened. 802447[/snapback] See my other posts. 802450[/snapback] about there not being a place for him? There is a place for him, He can play the corner outfield spots and 3rd base. He's never going to be an every day catcher in my opinion, he's not good enough defensively.
June 9, 200521 yr The Marlins are not ready to move their star players (Lowell and Pierre) no matter how bad they are slumping. This is obvious because Conine, Dillon, and Aguila have not gotten a fair shot either. The FO appears to be confident they'll come out of it, and so am I. 802454[/snapback] I think it's more of the fact that Jack doesnt play them.
June 9, 200521 yr It isn't like the Marlins are putting Todd Hollandsworth in left field everyday. This is Lowell and Pierre we are talking about. 802457[/snapback] at this point we would be better off with Hollandsworth at 3b or CF
June 9, 200521 yr It isn't like the Marlins are putting Todd Hollandsworth in left field everyday. This is Lowell and Pierre we are talking about. 802457[/snapback] at this point we would be better off with Hollandsworth at 3b or CF 802458[/snapback] :plain 802463[/snapback] nevermind, I thought Hollandsworth was hitting a bit better
June 9, 200521 yr I think Josh's age and opinion spread by those in the organization - the opinion that counts most to those within baseball- at this point makes it necessary for him to have a promising stint with the big club to net anything of substance. The A's and Dodgers have more catching prospects than anyone in baseball. The Blue Jays weren't admied with Josh Phelps, a similar player to Willingham. The Royals have Buck and Huber.
June 9, 200521 yr I think Josh's age and opinion spread by those in the organization - the opinion that counts most to those within baseball- at this point makes it necessary for him to have a promising stint with the big club to net anything of substance. 802491[/snapback] That won't happen. At least not this year. 802514[/snapback] it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks
June 10, 200521 yr Author Ok really. What trades are taking place right now? There must be something going on within the team. There is NO WAY that the organization is not trying to set up some changes as we speak.
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133
June 10, 200521 yr average and obp are both over .400 so far in June (8 games) so he's looking much better so far.
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him.
June 10, 200521 yr also, one more thing - the guy's hit 9 homers since the 2004 all-star break. maybe pitchers have figured out a hole in his swing and he just hasn't adjusted yet?
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him. 803719[/snapback] I miss Lowell Land. :confused
June 10, 200521 yr Does Willingham play those positions?? Besides, Lowell and Pierre aren't going anywhere. 802427[/snapback] He was a third baseman, and he can play left and right. Encarnacion would be moved to center. If the Marlins wanted him on the big club, he'd find a spot. 802438[/snapback] correct..... and Willingham isnt exactly a hot commodity on the trade market 802442[/snapback] What makes you say that? I'm sure Billy Beane would love him to satisfy my alternate trade idea. Believe me, up here the O's fans want him badly with Lopez down, but they know they have nothing to give the Marlins in return. 802446[/snapback] I will take bedard for him
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him. 803719[/snapback] sounds like the changes of someone with and w/o the juice
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him. 803719[/snapback] sounds like the changes of someone with and w/o the juice 803807[/snapback] he had cancer you know how dumb hed have to be to go on steroids??????????
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him. 803719[/snapback] sounds like the changes of someone with and w/o the juice 803807[/snapback] he had cancer you know how dumb hed have to be to go on steroids?????????? 803811[/snapback] how dumb would he have to be?
June 10, 200521 yr ...it could very well happen if JP and Lowell struggle for another few weeks 802548[/snapback] I've been out of town for the last week or so and I've had to follow the Fish in the most arcane ways possible (I have't heard or seen a game broadcast since I left town) so I was amazed when I went to ESPN and checked Mike Lowell's stats for the last week. According to them he appears to be coming out of his funk big time, batting .444 for the period while slugging at a .500 clip and an OPS of 1.024. Most remarkably, according to ESPN, he's struck out only once in the last seven days. While his power numbers haven't changed much he does appear to be inching towards the Mikey of old. If JP can start getting on base and returns to the top of the lineup (where I think he belongs) perhaps there's reason for optimism. Here's a link to the ESPN Lowell stats I referred to: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133 803695[/snapback] strikeouts aren't really the problem - he only struck out 21 times in 165 at-bats during April and May. The problem is that he's not making solid contact, not driving the ball. When's the last time the ball left Mike's bat and you thought "wow, he crushed it!" That's what we need out of him. even these hits he's getting in June (which are great to see), i feel like a lot have been lazy shots that have found a gap. He's not sailing balls down the lines like he used to, or hitting doubles off the teal monster. that's what we need out of him. 803719[/snapback] sounds like the changes of someone with and w/o the juice 803807[/snapback] he had cancer you know how dumb hed have to be to go on steroids?????????? 803811[/snapback] OK, I used to give Lowell the benefit of the doubt, but I can no longer stand just about anything Marlins related (it's gotten that bad), so I ask, why is it assumed that since he had cancer he couldn't go on steroids? My pro-Lowell stance all along has been that he'd know the serious side effects of 'roids and would just stay away from them, but after seeing Easley out produce him in limited action, and seeing Delgado produce 1/2 of Lowell's power numbers and 1/4 of his RBI total in one game, I firmly believe this slump is more than mental. Lance Armstrong is a cancer survivor, yet he was accused of steroid use, and the argument was never "hey, I'm a cancer survivor, I can't do steroids." It was always "I never tested positive." Please enlighten me because I fail to see how being a cancer survivor automatically absolves an athlete from being a steroid user.
June 10, 200521 yr It doesnt absolve anything, you could forseeably be on roids, youd just have to be completely unaware of the consequences. Its hard to believe that an athlete who has beaten cancer would take a chance by going on roids. Sue its a possibility, but at this level, with so many knowledgeable people around you, Id think its highly unlikely.
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