July 17, 200521 yr 11 home runs in nearly 1500 at-bats. This is supposed to help our offense? 860605[/snapback] I think Burroughs is a pawn for another trade, along with Shoppach if this true.
July 17, 200521 yr Author 11 home runs in nearly 1500 at-bats. This is supposed to help our offense? 860605[/snapback] I think Burroughs is a pawn for another trade, along with Shoppach if this true. 860611[/snapback] oooh maybe we could get a new foul pole for those 2!
July 17, 200521 yr 11 home runs in nearly 1500 at-bats. This is supposed to help our offense? 860605[/snapback] I think Burroughs is a pawn for another trade, along with Shoppach if this true. 860611[/snapback] oooh maybe we could get a new foul pole for those 2! 860695[/snapback] Can we get the one from Jacob's Field? Our hitters like hitting homers off it. :whistle
July 17, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion...
July 17, 200521 yr Wow, I didn't realize Burroughs sucked so much. There's no way that three way deal was made. Beinfest isn't idiotic enough to downgrade at pitcher and third base just to get a backup catcher. :blink:
July 17, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"?? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] That's alright, it's not like anyone on the Sox takes steroids...... :whistle
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"?? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius.
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius. 860876[/snapback] Forgive them...they know not of what they speak :thumbdown
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"?? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius. 860876[/snapback] Forgive them...they know not of what they speak :thumbdown 860881[/snapback] So you think the fact that all of a sudden he can't hit and has no power right after a real steroid policy was put in is just a coincidence? If he wasn't a Marlin, every single person on this board would think....no, would know he was on steroids.
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius. 860876[/snapback] Forgive them...they know not of what they speak :thumbdown 860881[/snapback] So you think the fact that all of a sudden he can't hit and has no power right after a real steroid policy was put in is just a coincidence? If he wasn't a Marlin, every single person on this board would think....no, would know he was on steroids. 860884[/snapback] You're willing to defame the guy without a shred of evidence. None, zero. He's having a bad year but people like you will always look for the easy answer, even though he's never been accused by anyone and has consistently said the same thing, "test me everyday". It's just pathetic.
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius. 860876[/snapback] Tell you what Craig... be my guest to pin that on him. I'm not sure why you need me to agree with you. I don't know that he wasn't, but I'm not accusing him of it. But hey, knock yourself out.
July 18, 200521 yr An "ex-roider"?? How pathetic :thumbdown 860609[/snapback] Honestly. C'mon Passion... 860747[/snapback] If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius. 860876[/snapback] Forgive them...they know not of what they speak :thumbdown 860881[/snapback] So you think the fact that all of a sudden he can't hit and has no power right after a real steroid policy was put in is just a coincidence? If he wasn't a Marlin, every single person on this board would think....no, would know he was on steroids. 860884[/snapback] You're willing to defame the guy without a shred of evidence. None, zero. He's having a bad year but people like you will always look for the easy answer, even though he's never been accused by anyone and has consistently said the same thing, "test me everyday". It's just pathetic. 860896[/snapback] Haha, Barry Bonds said "test me everyday", so please spare me the crap. And if he was bad, that's fine, people struggle. But he's bad and has NO power anymore.....even if he sucked, his home run power wouldn't just disappear. But the Marlins homers here for Mike are brutal since he is a nice guy and survived cancer, so I won't bother with logic and facts, because that doesn't work.
July 18, 200521 yr If the steroid testing hadn't started up, I wonder how many people would be screaming steroids about DLee and Brian Roberts. Steroids has become the obvious answer to everything. How convenient for the people who demand nice tidy answers when problems arise.
July 18, 200521 yr If the steroid testing hadn't started up, I wonder how many people would be screaming steroids about DLee and Brian Roberts. Steroids has become the obvious answer to everything. Convenient for the people who demand nice tidy answers to their questions. 860909[/snapback] Well first of all, DLee hit I believe 31 home runs last year, and is a big man anyways, and Roberts power swing has really decresed after a hot start, so yeah. And the key is steroid testing DID start, so we can say with confidence these guys are clean. But at the same time, steroid testing seems to be exposing those who were obviously using (Sosa, Thome, Lowell, etc). Just my opinion, I wish people would at least be open to the idea this is why Lowell is struggling, because it simply can't be ruled out, there are too many coincidences in both lack of power and timing.
July 18, 200521 yr Haters are haters. Fool are fools. And there will be another guy here full of crap tomorrow. I suppose it's the nature of message boards. I remember when everyone in town was down on Preston Wilson and it turned out we found out much later his baby had died and his wife was divorcing him. The point is we, you or me, have no idea what's going on with Mike Lowell. His problems might have absolutely nothing to do with baseball or he may just be having a bad year. But absent any empirical evidence, maliciously defaming the guy speaks more poorly of those who do than the guy they spread rumors about.
July 18, 200521 yr If the steroid testing hadn't started up, I wonder how many people would be screaming steroids about DLee and Brian Roberts. Steroids has become the obvious answer to everything. Convenient for the people who demand nice tidy answers to their questions. 860909[/snapback] Well first of all, DLee hit I believe 31 home runs last year, and is a big man anyways, and Roberts power swing has really decresed after a hot start, so yeah. And the key is steroid testing DID start, so we can say with confidence these guys are clean. But at the same time, steroid testing seems to be exposing those who were obviously using (Sosa, Thome, Lowell, etc). Just my opinion, I wish people would at least be open to the idea this is why Lowell is struggling, because it simply can't be ruled out, there are too many coincidences in both lack of power and timing. 860916[/snapback] Now THERE'S a reasonable response. I, in fact, AM open to the possibility. I don't rule anything out. But that is not what you said. What you said was: "If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius." I'm not in denial of anything. I think it's possible, sure. I just don't think it's true. And yes, part of it is because I'm a Mike Lowell fan & we've watched & gotten to know him over the years. I don't pretend to know anything about him personally, but we base decisions on that sort of thing all the time. Anyway, I hope you're wrong.
July 18, 200521 yr I don't think it matters who Sean Burroughs is, since Peter Gammons said "Red Sox officials have stated that these rumors are pure fiction and nothing more and there is absolutely no truth to it."
July 18, 200521 yr Haters are haters. Fool are fools. And there will be another guy here full of crap tomorrow. I suppose it's the nature of message boards. I remember when everyone in town was down on Preston Wilson and it turned out we found out much later his baby had died and his wife was divorcing him. The point is we, you or me, have no idea what's going on with Mike Lowell. His problems might have absolutely nothing to do with baseball or he may just be having a bad year. But absent any empirical evidence, maliciously defaming the guy speaks more poorly of those who do than the guy they spread rumors about. 860935[/snapback] *gives up on leaves thread* Everybody making excuses for Mikey, why can't he just be sucking ass at his job like we accuse everybody else on the team of doing?? Oh yeah, he survived cancer, so he is perfect in every way. Geez.....surviving cancer and coming back to play ball is great, but he is still at fault for his struggles. Take responsibility for your own failure. And btw, what are you gonna say when he still has no power and can't hit in 2 or 3 years?? Still family problems? Cuz the only way he will be a star again is if MLB gets rid of the current testing policy, and you can take that to the bank.
July 18, 200521 yr If the steroid testing hadn't started up, I wonder how many people would be screaming steroids about DLee and Brian Roberts. Steroids has become the obvious answer to everything.? Convenient for the people who demand nice tidy answers to their questions. 860909[/snapback] Well first of all, DLee hit I believe 31 home runs last year, and is a big man anyways, and Roberts power swing has really decresed after a hot start, so yeah. And the key is steroid testing DID start, so we can say with confidence these guys are clean. But at the same time, steroid testing seems to be exposing those who were obviously using (Sosa, Thome, Lowell, etc). Just my opinion, I wish people would at least be open to the idea this is why Lowell is struggling, because it simply can't be ruled out, there are too many coincidences in both lack of power and timing. 860916[/snapback] Now THERE'S a reasonable response. I, in fact, AM open to the possibility. I don't rule anything out. But that is not what you said. What you said was: "If you don't think Mike Lowell was on steroids, you are sadly in denial of the obvoius." I'm not in denial of anything. I think it's possible, sure. I just don't think it's true. And yes, part of it is because I'm a Mike Lowell fan & we've watched & gotten to know him over the years. I don't pretend to know anything about him personally, but we base decisions on that sort of thing all the time. Anyway, I hope you're wrong. 860938[/snapback] Thank you, that's all I ask.
July 18, 200521 yr and all I ask is that you not think it's "being in denial" to not already deem him guilty of something you have no proof of. see we can agree after all. :drunks
July 18, 200521 yr and all I ask is that you not think it's "being in denial" to not already deem him guilty of something you have no proof of. 860948[/snapback] To "be in denial" is to say there is no way he was on steroids like the people here do for the most part. You admitted there is a chance he was, so that's not in denial at all.
July 18, 200521 yr At least he won't bitch about the fans or other players. 860314[/snapback] says who? and who cares if a player bitches? God, some of you are such babies that you care if someone bitches and moans... I just want someone who produces 860318[/snapback] Bingo! Burroughs used to be a TOP prospect. These kids are clueless. Lowell is damaged goods. Cabs can play 3rd and Hermida can go to the OF is needed. Shoppach > Treanor. Hermida and Conine can play the OF. I love it. SOME PEOPLE ON HERE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T PAY 7.5 MILLION FOR A GUY WHO HAS 4 HR in 300 AB AND 6 HR OVER THE COURSE OF A SEASON! 860336[/snapback] What about 6 million to someone who has hit 4 HR in 292 at bats and had gone 170 at bats without his homerun over the weekend and hasn't had strong power numbers in 3.5 years? (hint: Paul Lo Duca) Burroughs is a failed top prospect. Scouts thought he would develop power against major league pitching, and he hasn't. Who cares if Shoppach is better than Treanor. Both are peripheral players who have or would have little to no impact on a team. Arroyo is only mediocre and already coing up on a contract year. To trade a pitcher of Burnett's calibar, you should do what Oakland did and try and get major league ready pitching prospects. Trading for mediocre to slightly above average major leaguers only sets your team back. You need to take chances to find replacements for core players, meaning you need to take prospects who could develop into core players.
July 18, 200521 yr i actually dont think burroughs is that bad. ya he doesnt bring you the power, but power isnt all that there is. he is having a bad year, but the last two years he was a high .280s + hitter...he is a contact hitter who doesnt strike out. having a horrible year this year. a change of scenery will do him good, although i'm not convinced it would be best for him to be here. still he is not the horrible player made out to be just because he doesnt hit the homer...if there is anything that i would like to see him do as a hitter is focus on hitting line drives to the gaps. that he can do if given the proper tutilage.
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