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Who's Worried about the Bullpen?

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I'm starting to get worried. Not sure what's going on.

 

Guys like Villone, Mota and Alfonseca shouldn't be getting killed out there. They are better than this and they have a ton of experience. This isn't the AAA tour of last year.

 

On the other hand, it was nice to see Valdez go 4IP with 1ER. It could have been a lot worse.

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who isnt?

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right, I should have put "What's wrong with the bullpen" as the tittle

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right, I should have put "What's wrong with the bullpen" as the tittle

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Yea it's very frustrating no matter who they bring in knowone gets the job done to hand it over to the closer.

Our bullpen is going through major boom and bust cycles. They need to be a lot more consistant...

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you think this is just a temp. slump?

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not worried because our bullpens always suck.

Poor offense means our pitching and defense has to be perfect.

 

No consistent long relief with Bump out, or middle relief with Mecir out.

 

Tired arms (thanks Jack!) and arms limited in ability and versatility unable to accomplish the task at hand.

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you think this is just a temp. slump?

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not worried because our bullpens always suck.

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And so does the offense.

Our bullpen is just another reason why we are the most underachieving team in baseball.

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you think this is just a temp. slump?

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yes, could be due to lack of action as of late. AA has been great for us since returning from the DL. Villone shouldn't be the guy we give the ball too in key situations and hopefully Jack will learn that. If Villone is used in the role he's accustomed too, that is coming in at the beginning of the inning and going 2 innings or more he will be fine. Now I can't explain what is up with Mota this year, maybe he is injured, but I have to believe that he is just way too talented to keep pitching the way he has.

 

I'd like to see Messenger get more of a chance to prove what he can do, and I also wouldn't mind seeing Resop get called up again. He's been lights out since returning to AA.

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you think this is just a temp. slump?

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yes, could be due to lack of action as of late. AA has been great for us since returning from the DL. Villone shouldn't be the guy we give the ball too in key situations and hopefully Jack will learn that. If Villone is used in the role he's accustomed too, that is coming in at the beginning of the inning and going 2 innings or more he will be fine. Now I can't explain what is up with Mota this year, maybe he is injured, but I have to believe that he is just way too talented to keep pitching the way he has.

 

I'd like to see Messenger get more of a chance to prove what he can do, and I also wouldn't mind seeing Resop get called up again. He's been lights out since returning to AA.

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makes sense, and I hope you are right. I wouldn't mind seeing resop either

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you think this is just a temp. slump?

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not worried because our bullpens always suck.

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And so does the offense.

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We really need to bolster our bullpen somehow..villone, alfonseca, mota are just not getting it done! and our offensive struggles are not that big of a deal to start worrying about.. our problem is the bullpen.

Let's face it, if Moehler gives us 6 strong innings the bullpen probably would've been fine. When you have to go to the pen so early you're just asking for trouble.

I'm not worried. If you start worrying about bullpen, especially middle relief, you're just adding undo stress to yourself. Middle relief is generally a problem for every team. I thought at the beginning of the season we had bullpen problems with middle relief and closer. Todd Jones has proved a pleasant surprise as closer. Presently we have very strong long relief. Most winning teams don't have consistant middle relief. We didn't in 2003. We were lucky with Dennis Cook in 1997. McKeon has done all he can do to minimize the potential of what he's got to work with, that's the real problem. As a fan I hope that TJ keeps it up as closer, and AA has a big next 2 months. We'll get by if that happens.

I'm a bit worried. I thought tonight was going to be good for the bullpen since they haven't had to do much while our big three had three great games in a row. I am starting to wonder if maybe Villone isn't too happy about being a Marlin, but who knows.

I'm not really worried at all. Seems the worry around here follows whichever facet of the game we happened to execute poorly that night.

p.s. Updated pitcher splits:

 

OVERALL

starters: 3.57 era 1.31 whip 6.1 ip/gs

big 3 sp: 2.88 era 1.14 whip 6.69 ip/gs

bullpen: 4.45 ERA 1.44 WHIP 342 IP

w/o tj: 5.07 era 1.55 whip 287.1 ip

w/o j&m: 5.18 era 1.57 whip 234.2 ip

 

APRIL

starters: 2.34 ERA 1.09 WHIP 6.47 IP/GS

big 3 sp: 1.71 era 0.97 whip 7 ip/gs

bullpen: 2.11 era 1.17 whip 55.1 ip

w/o tj: 2.22 era 1.05 whip 44.2 ip

w/o j&m: 2.31 era 0.97 whip 35 ip

 

MAY*

starters: 3.74 era 1.39 whip 5.89 ip/gs

big 3 sp: 3.10 era 1.31 whip 6.35 ip/gs

bullpen: 5.95 era 1.69 whip 78.2 ip

w/o tj: 6.92 era 1.86 whip 65 ip

wo j&m: 7.00 era 1.87 whip 63 ip

* {Of interest in regard to May is how far the defense dropped off (.7487 DER* to .6717 in May to .6935 overall) and how badly for the bullpen (.6116). Call this the Damion Easley effect.}

 

JUNE

starters: 4.04 era 1.36 whip 6.52 ip/gs

big 3 sp: 3.40 era 1.19 whip 7.07 ip/gs

bullpen: 6.18 era 1.58 67 ip

w/o tj: 6.94 era 1.73 whip 58.1 ip

w/o j&m: 6.85 era 1.68 whip 44.2 ip

 

JULY

starters: 5.17 era 1.55 whip 5.22 ip/gs

big 3 sp: 5.24 era 1.29 whip 5.64 ip/gs

bullpen: 3.59 era 1.32 whip 97.2 ip

w/o tj: 3.95 era 1.41 whip 84.1 ip

w/o j&m: 4.23 era 1.52 whip 66 ip

 

AUGUST**

starters: 2.40 era 1.13 whip 6.57 ip/gs

big 3 sp: 1.30 era 0.93 whip 7.5 ip/gs

bullpen: 3.95 era 1.41 whip 43.1 ip

w/o tj: 4.89 era 1.60 whip 35 ip

w/o j&m: 4.15 era 1.58 whip 26 ip

** significant drop-off by the defense when a starter not named Willis, Burnett or Beckett takes the mound.

I'm not really worried at all. Seems the worry around here follows whichever facet of the game we happened to execute poorly that night.

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AMEN....and goodnight.

i am villione has an era over 7 and mota gives up a homer every time ... aa had a b ad day im not worried weith him but with mecir out we need guys to step up

I reminded myself of this a lot tonight, baseball is a game of averages. When a team over-achieves to a ridiculous level (like the 6 runs in 75 IP from our staff) "correction" games are due, and when they happen, it's not pretty. This game was simply the Marlins pitchers coming back down (or crashing down) to Earth...it's a whole new ball-game tomorrow.

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