September 8, 200520 yr NO. Don't we all rather have a new stadium? What's the idea behind this anyway? Would they build a roof on the Orange Bowl?
September 8, 200520 yr NO. Don't we all rather have a new stadium? What's the idea behind this anyway? Would they build a roof on the Orange Bowl? 935252[/snapback] They mean tear down the OB and build a new stadium on the land that the city already owns.
September 8, 200520 yr If this goes through, and the Hurricanes move to DS, but the gap is funding is still not there...couldnt the Orange Bowl itself be renovated into a baseball stadium with the money thats already available?
September 8, 200520 yr Author If this goes through, and the Hurricanes move to DS, but the gap is funding is still not there...couldnt the Orange Bowl itself be renovated into a baseball stadium with the money thats already available? 935291[/snapback] The gap would come down since the OB wouldn't have to be renovated and the extra land needed before wouldn't have to be bought.
September 8, 200520 yr this could be great for Canes and Marlins fans. Imagine being able to park with ease and tail gate for Canes games
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field.
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field. 935306[/snapback] they will need to reconfigure the seats and such. it is not easy, but doable with less money
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field. 935306[/snapback] they will need to reconfigure the seats and such. it is not easy, but doable with less money 935314[/snapback] Renovating it into a baseball facility would probably cost considerably less than it would to tear it down and build a brand new facility, youd think anyway.
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field. 935306[/snapback] they will need to reconfigure the seats and such. it is not easy, but doable with less money 935314[/snapback] Renovating it into a baseball facility would probably cost considerably less than it would to tear it down and build a brand new facility, youd think anyway. 935320[/snapback] If you are going to do something do it right. This would be a short term fix. The Marlins would want their own park eventually and it would cost much much more than now. The OB is in horrible condition.
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field. 935306[/snapback] they will need to reconfigure the seats and such. it is not easy, but doable with less money 935314[/snapback] Renovating it into a baseball facility would probably cost considerably less than it would to tear it down and build a brand new facility, youd think anyway. 935320[/snapback] correct, and they wouldn't need to condem as much land as previously planned. Wayne would probably love the deal. Basically, he gets the two most popular teams in South Florida playing at his facility. Only 6 extra games a year, making a ton in parking, etc. Now, would UM want this deal?
September 8, 200520 yr If you are going to do something do it right. This would be a short term fix. The Marlins would want their own park eventually and it would cost much much more than now. The OB is in horrible condition. 935323[/snapback] I was just saying that would be what would happen if push comes to shove, not saying it's the best or only option.
September 8, 200520 yr Because, I was thinking...remove the upper deck, reconfigure field level in baseball dimensions, maybe transport the teal monster into left field, add a few luxury and skyboxes and press boxes, give the outside a face lift and do some landscaping...and the Fedex Orange Bowl could easily become Fed Ex Field. 935306[/snapback] they will need to reconfigure the seats and such. it is not easy, but doable with less money 935314[/snapback] Renovating it into a baseball facility would probably cost considerably less than it would to tear it down and build a brand new facility, youd think anyway. 935320[/snapback] If you are going to do something do it right. This would be a short term fix. The Marlins would want their own park eventually and it would cost much much more than now. The OB is in horrible condition. 935323[/snapback] some of the structure can be preserved. But I would want this to be turned into a state of the art roofed facility.
September 8, 200520 yr Author Now, would UM want this deal? 935325[/snapback] UM would make a deal if forced to. They don't want to pay for the OB renovation and the City can make more with the Marlins on that land.
September 8, 200520 yr I'll also be one to say I don't like that monstrosity that was shown in another thread. I think classic is the way to go(that to me looked remarkably like Olympic Stadium in Montreal). Take a template of an older park(Sportsmans Park in St. Louis for example)...take the original design skematics, modernize and expand them and attatch a retractable roof to it. Also, lets keep it a pitchers park. If you are going to build something that looks like the Expos old home, why not build it to look like the Expo's original stadium, Jarry Park: Looks small, but that right there held 29,000. So throw an upperdeck, modernize it all the way around, and put a roof overhead(thats one of my favorite classic parks actually).
September 8, 200520 yr There's a alot good in this idea. First it would allow PPS to be run as a football only venue and scheduling to allow one game a week (pro or collegiate, with one team home while the other was away), giving plenty of time for field maintenance. For the Marlins, by razing the OB, and without the need to build two stadium on the site, there would be no need for eminent domain. The city-owned site would be large enough for a baseball stadium AND parking without additional land acquisition saving tens of millions and getting the plan back on schedule. It would probably also make it easier to manage and sell concession and marketing rights within the stadium I'd have to go back and recontruct exactly how the financing for the UM football OB entity was to work, but there may be a problem there, and the city cannot use any moneys outside it's boundaries (they have a binding $$$ commitment to UM and how that get's unwound I'm not sure at this writing), for example put a roof on PPS as Huizenga will surely want. But those issues could be worked out, with the city making a larger contribution to the Marlins stadium (eliminating their UM contribution) and the county increasing their contribution to UM and lessening theirs to the Fish, so that essentially, in the end, it's a wash. All in all, while I have some misgivings as to whether Huizenga would enter into any deal that would allow the Fish to stay in Miami and build a competing roofed stadium, it's not difficult to see how the pieces could fit together if all the parties were amenable. The most important signal would be for UM to endorse (or at least suggest they were open to) a move to PPS. Then the bean-counters could start moving the money around to make this deal work.
September 8, 200520 yr There's a alot good in this idea. First it would allow PPS to be run as a football only venue and scheduling to allow one game a week (pro or collegiate, with one team home while the other was away), giving plenty of time for field maintenance. For the Marlins, by razing the OB, and without the need to build two stadium on the site, there would be no need for eminent domain. The city-owned site would be large enough for a baseball stadium AND parking without additional land acquisition saving tens of millions and getting the plan back on schedule. It would probably also make it easier to manage and sell concession and marketing rights within the stadium I'd have to go back and recontruct exactly how the financing for the UM football OB entity was to work, but there may be a problem there, and the city cannot use any moneys outside it's boundaries (they have a binding $$$ commitment to UM and how that get's unwound I'm not sure at this writing), for example put a roof on PPS as Huizenga will surely want. But those issues could be worked out, with the city making a larger contribution to the Marlins stadium (eliminating their UM contribution) and the county increasing their contribution to UM and lessening theirs to the Fish, so that essentially, in the end, it's a wash. All in all, while I have some misgivings as to whether Huizenga would enter into any deal that would allow the Fish to stay in Miami and build a competing roofed stadium, it's not difficult to see how the pieces could fit together if all the parties were amenable. The most important signal would be for UM to endorse (or at least suggest they were open to) a move to PPS. Then the bean-counters could start moving the money around to make this deal work. 935364[/snapback] I think it is a better deal for Huizinga, he wouldn't need to staff to support the 80+ games a year for baseball, plus the 6 games from UM should get average crowds of 55 or 60K so he would get decent money there.
September 8, 200520 yr Just wondering, if this plan is pushed through, couldn't this stadium be done in record time, due to being able to work on it year round because of the good weather in South Florida?
September 8, 200520 yr Allow me to add one more thought on this. By eliminating the need for eminent domain, neighboring property prices that have been driven through the roof (no pun intended) by real estate speculators ready to cash in on a new stadium will plummet or at least moderate, reducing acquisition prices of additional land (desired BUT NOT needed), and increasing the chances that real developers (as opposed to speculators) will ultimately move in and acquire the surrounding properties and create the kind of urban renewal rennaissance the City is looking for.
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