Absolutely

 

OB is decrepit, and it allows DS to become football only

 

and the marlins can have their own stadium

Just wondering, if this plan is pushed through, couldn't this stadium be done in record time, due to being able to work on it year round because of the good weather in South Florida?

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nothing gets done down here in record time. If they say 2008, then we should expect to be 2010 or so.

I voted no.

 

They can build it next to but not on top of. Plus alot of people are not going to want to go to Dolphins stadium to see the hurricanes, the OB is not that bad.

There's a alot good in this idea.

 

First it would allow PPS to be run as a football only venue and scheduling to allow one game a week (pro or collegiate, with one team home while the other was away), giving plenty of time for field maintenance.

 

For the Marlins, by razing the OB, and without the need to build two stadium on the site, there would be no need for eminent domain. The city-owned site would be large enough for a baseball stadium AND parking without additional land acquisition saving tens of millions and getting the plan back on schedule. It would probably also make it easier to manage and sell concession and marketing rights within the stadium

 

I'd have to go back and recontruct exactly how the financing for the UM football OB entity was to work, but there may be a problem there, and the city cannot use any moneys outside it's boundaries (they have a binding $$$ commitment to UM and how that get's unwound I'm not sure at this writing), for example put a roof on PPS as Huizenga will surely want.

 

But those issues could be worked out, with the city making a larger contribution to the Marlins stadium (eliminating their UM contribution) and the county increasing their contribution to UM and lessening theirs to the Fish, so that essentially, in the end, it's a wash.

 

All in all, while I have some misgivings as to whether Huizenga would enter into any deal that would allow the Fish to stay in Miami and build a competing roofed stadium, it's not difficult to see how the pieces could fit together if all the parties were amenable.

 

The most important signal would be for UM to endorse (or at least suggest they were open to) a move to PPS. Then the bean-counters could start moving the money around to make this deal work.

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I think it is a better deal for Huizinga, he wouldn't need to staff to support the 80+ games a year for baseball, plus the 6 games from UM should get average crowds of 55 or 60K so he would get decent money there.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the money made with concessions&parking at Marlins games go to Wayne? He might not want to lose that revenue.

There's a alot good in this idea.

 

First it would allow PPS to be run as a football only venue and scheduling to allow one game a week (pro or collegiate, with one team home while the other was away), giving plenty of time for field maintenance.

 

For the Marlins, by razing the OB, and without the need to build two stadium on the site, there would be no need for eminent domain. The city-owned site would be large enough for a baseball stadium AND parking without additional land acquisition saving tens of millions and getting the plan back on schedule. It would probably also make it easier to manage and sell concession and marketing rights within the stadium

 

I'd have to go back and recontruct exactly how the financing for the UM football OB entity was to work, but there may be a problem there, and the city cannot use any moneys outside it's boundaries (they have a binding $$$ commitment to UM and how that get's unwound I'm not sure at this writing), for example put a roof on PPS as Huizenga will surely want.

 

But those issues could be worked out, with the city making a larger contribution to the Marlins stadium (eliminating their UM contribution) and the county increasing their contribution to UM and lessening theirs to the Fish, so that essentially, in the end, it's a wash.

 

All in all, while I have some misgivings as to whether Huizenga would enter into any deal that would allow the Fish to stay in Miami and build a competing roofed stadium, it's not difficult to see how the pieces could fit together if all the parties were amenable.

 

The most important signal would be for UM to endorse (or at least suggest they were open to) a move to PPS. Then the bean-counters could start moving the money around to make this deal work.

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I think it is a better deal for Huizinga, he wouldn't need to staff to support the 80+ games a year for baseball, plus the 6 games from UM should get average crowds of 55 or 60K so he would get decent money there.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the money made with concessions&parking at Marlins games go to Wayne? He might not want to lose that revenue.

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the lease will end and the Marlins won't sign another bad deal

I voted no.

 

They can build it next to but not on top of. Plus alot of people are not going to want to go to Dolphins stadium to see the hurricanes, the OB is not that bad.

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Canes fans not wanting to go to Dolphin Stadium? no way. The OB sucks in any way possible. Bathrooms suck, food suck, parking suck, etc. The DF is a so much better football facility, and we are talking about 6 games a year (mostly on Saturday)

Cape,

I can't reach the poll from their home page. Is this thing recent?

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Here is my screenshot of its place on Local10.com

 

Cape,

I can't reach the poll from their home page. Is this thing recent?

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Here is my screenshot of its place on Local10.com

 

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got it, thanks

I voted YES; I think it's a great idea.

 

The OB may have sentimental value, but as a venue it is awfully dated. It's a pain -- literally -- to watch a game in that place.

 

 

By the way, as of this posting, the YES's are running away with the poll. :mischief

Anyone watching Channel 10?

Just watched it. Channel 10 kind of made a joke out of it. They portrayed it as a stupid idea.

NO.

 

 

I am a Marlins fan but you do not tear down the Orange Bowl for baseball. No way.

NO.

 

 

I am a Marlins fan but you do not tear down the Orange Bowl for baseball. No way.

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so you rather see the City spent 150 million renovating the OB for 6 games a year on an old run down facility and the MArlins to get nothing? The DS is a great football facility that can serve both teams and their fans (UM and Dolphins) extremerly well

 

I'm a Canes fan as well, and I hate the OB

I'll also be one to say I don't like that monstrosity that was shown in another thread. I think classic is the way to go(that to me looked remarkably like Olympic Stadium in Montreal). Take a template of an older park(Sportsmans Park in St. Louis for example)...take the original design skematics, modernize and expand them and attatch a retractable roof to it. Also, lets keep it a pitchers park. If you are going to build something that looks like the Expos old home, why not build it to look like the Expo's original stadium, Jarry Park:

 

 

Looks small, but that right there held 29,000. So throw an upperdeck, modernize it all the way around, and put a roof overhead(thats one of my favorite classic parks actually).

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There is a reason why the new ballpark looks the way it looks. The retro look will not fly in Miami. IMO the retro look was nice the first dozen or so parks. The Marlins want to shake things up. The park Loria had planned for Montreal had this futuristic look to it also. Remember he is an art dealer.

 

If you had been paying attention you would know Loria told HOK he wanted a pitchers park.

 

This doesn't look anything like Olympic Stadium.

NO.

 

 

I am a Marlins fan but you do not tear down the Orange Bowl for baseball. No way.

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Agreed on all counts.

I'm a huge Marlins fan aswell, but the Canes are and always have been my #1.. I've gone to all but maybe 5 games over the last 16 years. The OB is one of the most histroric stadiums in college football history do to the amount of National Championships decided there and its where the Canes set the NCAA record for Most Home wins in a row. Not to mention that there are VERY few venues that match the atmostphere of a night game against a big time opponent in the OB, (like my first OB memory..89' Notre Dame). It is easily considered one of...if not THE loudest stadiums. Could the look of the place and the bathrooms and concessions use some upgrading...yes and that is what that 130 million dollar renovation bill that we passed last november was for. Also, I don't think it would only be used for football if it got these upgrades, I think you would see many many more Soccer matches there and maybe even a future MLS team there if they decide to do it right and put the team in Miami instead of Fort Lauderdale.

 

Needless to say, I do not, in any way, support tearing down the OB and having the Canes move to Dolphins Stadium...because as nice as DS might be...it just doesn't have that college feel to it, and definately not the flavor and history of the Horseshoe in Little Havana... and I'm pretty sure it won't be shaking like the OB does for those FSU/Florida games..

 

Sorry to be so longwinded...but when it comes to my Canes...nothing else matters.....lol

 

P.S. I would love to have the Marlins stadium right next to the OB, at least since the best possible site (Bicentennial Park, soon to be Museum Park is unavailable)

I don't know. If saying "NO" means that the Marlins will leave South Florida, then I would vote "YES" but I'd rather have another alternative.

 

The OB is great, it shouldn't be teared down. It's f*cking historic and when people think of UM they think Orange Bowl. I hate Dolphins Stadium because it has absolutely no soul.

 

I'd take the Orange Bowl and it's "outdated style", "run-down facilities" over Dolphins Stadium ANY DAY.

 

Again, if voting "NO" meant the Marlins would leave, I would vote "YES", but I don't want it to happen.

 

 

Besides, this would never happen. Miami, unfortuneately, is a strictly football town and the 'canes fans love their OB. Hell, I saw canes fans complaining in a website that they don't want the Marlins Stadium built NEXT to the Orange Bowl because it would "ruin the view" of the open end zone. That pissed me off but that's how this town is when it comes to football so the hurricanes moving to DS and the orange bowl being torn down will NEVER happen.

I'll take the open end zone view gone if we can have a stadium for the Fish. But you just don't tear down the Orange Bowl!

I don't care about the Canes or college ball but I wouldn't be for tearing down the Orange Bowl, as it's too important to alot of people in this town and it's a historic site.

 

That said, if I had to pick between the Marlins leaving or the Orange Bowl being torn down, well, I think it would be no-brainer.

 

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The voting, right now, is pretty split with a slight edge for tearing it down.

First, I'll say that I voted yes to the idea, but was hesitant to do so.

 

 

The Orange Bowl has been a land mark in this community for for almost 70 and to tear it down in the name of progress really doesn't sit too well. The Orange Bowl is a great place to watch a football game and if you ask any ex-Dolphin that played in both the OB and DS, they'll tell you that there is Dolphin Stadium does not even begin to compare to the OB in terms of atmosphere for a football game. On the other hand, the Orange Bowl is run-down, hardly used outside of UM football, and potentially stands in the way of the Marlins getting a brand new stadium. Going back for a second, the Rose Bowl in Pasadena has been around about 15 years longer than the OB and from all accounts is in much better condition to the Orange Bowl. I could understand if the Orange Bowl had been redone a few years ago and was pretty modern for its age, but its not, and I think it may be time to finally put the Orange Bowl to rest.

 

Dolphins Stadium may not hold the sentimental value that the OB does, but we have to face reality in that the Orange Bowl game is no longer held in the OB and is now soley held at DS. It moving the game to DS was a better decision for the committee, why shouldn't it be for the U? I think if that if UM sits down and looks at all of this from all angles, they'll see that moving their games over to Dolphins Stadium will be better for them in the long run. Which leaves me to the Marlins. You know this Stadium issue has been going back and forth for almost a good 10 years now and in that time, this is the closest this team has ever been to finally putting a deal together. Yet the money isn't there to do it the way they originally planned and the only option may be to hope that getting the Orange Bowl site goes through. So isn't losing the Orange Bowl worth keeping the Marlins? 10 years from now, if the Marlins moved and you are still sitting at the Orange Bowl watching UM play, wouldn't you wonder what could have been had this deal gone through?

 

I don't know about everyone else, but as much as I love the University of Miami football team, I love the Marlins more and I want to see them stay here in South Florida forever!

I would hope everyone here would elect to tear down the OB if it meant preventing the Marlins from relocating.

The only reason this town is considered a "football town" is because the Dolphins and Canes have been perenial winners. Lets see how the attendance figures go if the Dolphins go 4-12 and Miami loses 4 games (not likely, I know). This is a fair weather city, and the football teams have provided fair weather for decades. Thus, everybody is the #1 Canes fan. :banghead

 

Tear that dump down and keep the Fish here. This might be our last hope, and it is slowly wilting on the vine.

The only reason this town is considered a "football town" is because the Dolphins and Canes have been perenial winners. Lets see how the attendance figures go if the Dolphins go 4-12 and Miami loses 4 games (not likely, I know). This is a fair weather city, and the football teams have provided fair weather for decades. Thus, everybody is the #1 Canes fan. :banghead

 

Tear that dump down and keep the Fish here. This might be our last hope, and it is slowly wilting on the vine.

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I keep hearing the "football town" cliche being used on the radio.

 

Guess what, they may not even be able to show the first Dolphin's game on TV since they have 3,000 or so tickets available. CBS is thinking about buying all these tickets to show the game on TV. Is this truly a footbal town? that's not good, we are talking here about opening game!

I say yes. Tear down that eyesore and build the Marlins stadium along with a huge parking garage and a people mover to the jackson metrorail station. The canes play 6 home games so they could easily move to Joe Robbie Stadium (I know it Dolphins Stadium but I don't care). Even the Orabge Bowl game isn't played at the Orange Bowl anymore.

 

A true Marlins fan blog:

 

http://www.floridafishfan.blogspot.com

The only reason this town is considered a "football town" is because the Dolphins and Canes have been perenial winners. Lets see how the attendance figures go if the Dolphins go 4-12 and Miami loses 4 games (not likely, I know). This is a fair weather city, and the football teams have provided fair weather for decades. Thus, everybody is the #1 Canes fan.? :banghead ?

 

Tear that dump down and keep the Fish here. This might be our last hope, and it is slowly wilting on the vine.

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I keep hearing the "football town" cliche being used on the radio.

 

Guess what, they may not even be able to show the first Dolphin's game on TV since they have 3,000 or so tickets available. CBS is thinking about buying all these tickets to show the game on TV. Is this truly a footbal town? that's not good, we are talking here about opening game!

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