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Yes, I know that this may be a few games too early to look at, but I figured that an eye needs to be opening towards this subject. Also, for all we know, if we all get that storm in the Atlantic, we may not be able to discuss this for a week or two because of power outages.

 

What do you all think the Marlins should do for the 2006 season?

 

I say bye to the following guys:

 

1)Burnett (Is he serious about taking the FA tour after this season?)

2)Lowell (Are there any takers? I heard a rumor about a straight deal for M. Bradley because the Dodgers wish to unload him for any warm body and a bag of peanuts?)

3)A. Gonzalez (Should we pay the big $$$ for a guy who's defense can be replaced with another cheaper, light hitter?)

4)Just about everyone in the Bullpen except for Jones.

5)Valdez or Moeller (Can't have both; only need 1 number 5 starter; If S. Olsen is ready, we don't need either)

6)Encarnacion (OK player, but can we really keep him?)

7) Jack McKeon and the rest of the coaching staff other than Wiley

 

 

I'd look for the following:

 

1)A right handed OF with a little bit of pop (20-25 HRs),a little bit of decent speed, and strong defense.

2)A closer (T. Jones is nice but...)

3)a bullpen (make sure that we have at least to lefties in there; also stop wasting time on guys who aren't ready for MLB)

4)A cost efficient veteran SS as insurance should one of the Marlins' young SS not be ready.

5)and just as important as a closer, we need a quality starter to replace AJ and we have to make sure that he is a true #2 or 3 starter, not just another warm body.

6)a younger manager that can be here for many years. Also one that uses a philosophy that actually works in Dolphins Stadium (where they win Marlins championships).

 

This is just an observation on my part without looking at what is available. Can anyone put some names to possible replacements to fill the voids that the fish have.

LOL

 

Throw away Jones after yesterday.

 

And Encarnacion is having a GREAT season. Why would we get rid of him? (other than monetary issues).

pos hype... let me give u some advice. you have a bad rep that will never be reversed. get a new sn and come back with a more positive attitude... like your name claims :plain

*waits for PH to throw out the "I have more credibility than all y'all, go back to your sim leagues" excuse*

As far as I am concerned the only keepers offensively are Cabs , Delgado, Castillo, Loduca if you can get a better back up catcher because Paul is only good for 110-120 games a year the rest I am open to moving and quite honestly this team needs major changes because for two years this team has had no chemistry and has not scored runs . As far as starting pitching obviously you keep Willis , Becket, Vargas/Olsen and I would like to see them sign a legit starting pitcher (Do NOT even attempt to resign (AJ Mentally Soft Burnett) in addition to resigning Mohler to be a middle reliever spot starter . The rest of the pen baring Jones I look into replacing none of them have done the job consistently the biggest disappointment of all has been Mota the guy hasnt lived up to the hype and looking back the Penny deal is a push at best. Finally , Mckeon needs to go he just didnt manage well this whole year and yesterday was typical of his mangerial performance he leaves Willis who is over 100 pitchers in his previous 3 or 4 starts has gone at least 8 to start the 9th when he had Jones who hadnt been in 3 games in the pen . What really p?ssed me off is after the first two guys got on Mckeon let Willis who was clearly gassed face another batter ....Mckeon must not be resigned .....by the way I drove alway from gainesville to see in person the Marlins lose friday 13-3 and then take a 2-0 lead in the ninth only to lose by 7...my 5 hr drive home was not a fun one !

Given the performance of the bullpen this year I wouldn't give Wiley a free pass.

 

The only coach I would insist on keeping is Perry Hill. Other than that get the new manager signed as quickly as possible and let him have a say in who he keeps. I definitely want to see Robinson gone. Dunlop is certainly gone if Jack leaves. Cox is optional.

 

We keep LoDuca, Delgado, Cabrera, Castillo, Pierre. I'd like to see us try to keep Encarnacion and put Hermida in LF, but this is dependent upon trading Lowell. I could see us offering Conine a bench role if it doesn't cost too much. If Jeff insists on a starting role then good bye. I'd re-sign Gonzalez only for around $4.0-4.5. Any more than that and good-bye as well. No way Alex is worth more to this team than Luiy who makes $5.0M next year.

 

For the bullpen we are stuck with Villone for one more year. Perhaps he will return to his old form. If nothing else use him exclusively as a lefty specialist. Alfonseca has another year. We should sign Jones for another year, but still look for another closer option. I'm not convinced Jones can repeat 2005. We also have Mota for another year, but should use him for middle relief if he continues to struggle. Let's see how Messenger does in ST and decide whether he needs more time in the minors. Resop doesn't look ready yet either. I'm sure Beinfest will be able to find enough arms to fill the pen.

 

Beckett, Willis and Vargas are givens. We need to re-sign Moehler for a 5th starter. Perhaps Olsen will be ready to start, but I would rather give him his chance at long relief and find another veteran for the 3rd starter.

 

Of course all this could break the bank and it will be up to Loria to decide the budget for next year, given the uncertainty of the new ballpark. I'm sure Beinfest will do well with the hand dealt to him.

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I don't recall stating to get rid of Todd Jones in my post. Also, I said that Enc was OK and stated "...but can we really keep him?" That was in reference to monetary values. Do I need to spell it out everytime when everyone that is a Marlins' fan knows that he may leave becuase of money?

 

Can those of you critics READ AND COMPREHEND the post before you jump down my throat, putting words in my mouth that are not there. Whew, now I know why so many kids struggle with FCAT Reading. If their parents can't read, how can they practice during home learning?

 

As for the Wiley thing, I partially agree about he free pass thing. I think Willis', Beckett's, and Jones' performances warrant a free pass, but I would keep a close eye with new faces next year. If they falter again, then let him go next year. Just my thought.

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Back to Jones; He can be a setup guy to a legit, younger closer.

Yes, I know that this may be a few games too early to look at, but I figured that an eye needs to be opening towards this subject. Also, for all we know, if we all get that storm in the Atlantic, we may not be able to discuss this for a week or two because of power outages.

 

What do you all think the Marlins should do for the 2006 season?

 

I say bye to the following guys:

 

1)Burnett (Is he serious about taking the FA tour after this season?)

2)Lowell (Are there any takers? I heard a rumor about a straight deal for M. Bradley because the Dodgers wish to unload him for any warm body and a bag of peanuts?)

3)A. Gonzalez (Should we pay the big $$$ for a guy who's defense can be replaced with another cheaper, light hitter?)

4)Just about everyone in the Bullpen except for Jones.

5)Valdez or Moeller (Can't have both; only need 1 number 5 starter; If S. Olsen is ready, we don't need either)

6)Encarnacion (OK player, but can we really keep him?)

7) Jack McKeon and the rest of the coaching staff other than Wiley

 

 

I'd look for the following:

 

1)A right handed OF with a little bit of pop (20-25 HRs),a little bit of decent speed, and strong defense.

2)A closer (T. Jones is nice but...)

3)a bullpen (make sure that we have at least to lefties in there; also stop wasting time on guys who aren't ready for MLB)

4)A cost efficient veteran SS as insurance should one of the Marlins' young SS not be ready.

5)and just as important as a closer, we need a quality starter to replace AJ and we have to make sure that he is a true #2 or 3 starter, not just another warm body.

6)a younger manager that can be here for many years. Also one that uses a philosophy that actually works in Dolphins Stadium (where they win Marlins championships).

 

This is just an observation on my part without looking at what is available. Can anyone put some names to possible replacements to fill the voids that the fish have.

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Instead of just bashing you here is my own thoughts;

 

guys to say good bye to;

1. Yes, he is a goner. We can not afford to resign AJ, he is far too expensive and not a requirement for this team. Sorry, but it happens.

2. I would love to get a source for that rumor, as it is very interesting. Bradley is a righty and would love that wall in LF for us. He is a troublemaker, but I think the rest of the guys can even him out. He also is a solid fielder with a good arm.

3. Gonzo, I am not really sure either way for him. Remember after next year Castillo is a FA also. If Gonzo is resigned that he will stay (he took less to stay for gonzo before). But, if not I think you will lose him too. Andino looks okay right now. But, Alex has said he wants to stay, and he has done nothing to show he isnt a solid option to stay. If he stays here cheaper (3 years 15 mill) I would snap him up.

4. People I keep for the bullpen; AA, Villone, Jones, Messenger, Resop, Mota is Arbitration eligable also. So might as well keep him too.

5. I would like to keep brian of those two, I am not sure how much he will get on the open market. But, he seems a solid guy and I think he would stay for a solid offer. Now I still would like the pitching of Beckett, d-train, olsen/johnson, vargas, and a FA. And keep brian for the bullpen and spot start. That is just my opinion if you can get him like 2 years 4 million it is cheap for a SP.

6. Juan Enc is gonna be a target of the yanks, cubs and Red sox. He is gone after this year. Sorry guys :( He will be too expensive, getting money like he is currently getting paid.

7. Wiley I wouldnt give a free ride, but I think he has been a solid good coach and turned around a few pitchers. I think our infield coach, Perry, is the best in the business and should be kept at all costs. Jack, I dont have a problem either way if he stays or goes to the FO. I am thankful for what he has done even if I often dont like his coaching style. (he has the experience not me).

 

1. You know these are very expensive? Bradley would fill in that requirement though. We used to have one of these named lowell. Oh wells. Milton would fit that requirement. I would like a link to the article please.

2. There is no closers out there we can afford and how the marlins work they wont pay top notch for one of these. We manufacture closers it seems every year. I would love jones back but if not I think mota or resop will get it.

3. We never seem to get solid bullpen guys then always trade for them later on. We often put our bullpen into bad spots but yes we need bullpen badly I agree completely and totally.

4. If we can get alex cheap then andino can be that cost efficent backup.

5. We cant afford a quality number 2/3 starter. Those are very expensive to aquire in FA. Burnett is a number 2 starter on most teams. He will get 12 million a year. They are expensive in trades also if you notice what was being offered up for him.

6. I think jack's managing style works in Joe Robbie, but doesnt work on the road as well. Small ball is a good build in our park as it is. With it's huge dimensions. But, fresh blood will be there if we dont make the playoffs I am sure.

 

Oh wells. I hope this is what you are looking for instead of just getting bashed.

 

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Resop is ready for MLB but when you have bicep tendinitis it's tough to get your pitches for strikes....this is only his 2nd yr of pitching and he has not done too badly....yes he had 4 crappy games but there is some talent there....some refinement of his breaking pitch and/or slider and he could become very dominant next year....

LOL

 

Throw away Jones after yesterday.

 

And Encarnacion is having a GREAT season. Why would we get rid of him? (other than monetary issues).

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I wouldn't call Encarnacion's season great. Certainly he's having a good year by Juan Encarnacion standards, but lets not go overboard. Is he worth $4 million? I don't think so. Look closer at his stats. He had a great April and a great July. May and June were decent, and the last two months he's been an offensive liability.

 

I still maintain that Jermey Hermida would be producing just as good if not better numbers given extended playing time. My guess is that the front office feels the same way and Juan will be playing elsewhere next year.

 

As for Jones, I would resign him for the right money. Otherwise, we have all seen closers can be found fairly easily. Its the rest of the pen that we struggle with.

I think some of these decisions have already been made by the players and coaches and that they will stick to them regardless what the front office offers them in the offseason. Specifically, I'm talking about Burnett and McKeon.

LOL

 

Throw away Jones after yesterday.

 

And Encarnacion is having a GREAT season. Why would we get rid of him? (other than monetary issues).

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I wouldn't call Encarnacion's season great. Certainly he's having a good year by Juan Encarnacion standards, but lets not go overboard. Is he worth $4 million? I don't think so. Look closer at his stats. He had a great April and a great July. May and June were decent, and the last two months he's been an offensive liability.

 

I still maintain that Jermey Hermida would be producing just as good if not better numbers given extended playing time. My guess is that the front office feels the same way and Juan will be playing elsewhere next year.

 

As for Jones, I would resign him for the right money. Otherwise, we have all seen closers can be found fairly easily. Its the rest of the pen that we struggle with.

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HUH? He's the top 5 in the NL with RISP, he's hovered around .300 for the past couple of months, etc.

You wouldn't keep Encarnacion because this is the only year he's performed at this level despite being well compensated, does not always play with a sense of motivation on defense and is simply not a good risk at that price. It has very little to do with the Marlins lacking funds, I bet there will be plenty of teams relunctant to offer him gobs of money.

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Throw away Jones after yesterday.

 

And Encarnacion is having a GREAT season. Why would we get rid of him? (other than monetary issues).

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Agree. Encarnacion may not be an A-Rod, but hes given us enough to not consider him for trading. His numbers for r.i.s.p are the best of any Marlin. I say that A-Gon is probably a goner. His defensive is great but he doesnt provide much offense.

Look, aside from something drastic, the lineup you saw on Saturday is likely next year's team.

 

Alex is probably gone, Encarnacion is definitely gone, and Lowell is free to anyone who wants him (and at least 60% of his salary). Hermida and Andino'll probably be starting, and if Lowell's traded, don't be surprised to see Willingham in left.

 

After back to back "flat" seasons coming off of 2003, there's going to be a shakeup, there has to be. As far as I'm concerned, there are only four constants for next year: Cabrera, Willis, Beckett and Delgado.

After back to back "flat" seasons coming off of 2003, there's going to be a shakeup, there has to be. As far as I'm concerned, there are only four constants for next year: Cabrera, Willis, Beckett and Delgado.

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Thank you !!! Some people judging by their replies are consciously or unconsciously arguing to keep the team the same we have had two years of absolutely no chemistry on offense , if we had a consistent average offense instead of our lose 2 games 2 to 1 offense than win the third game 14-0 we wouldnt be sitting on the sidelines during the playoffs. Major changes are needed !!!

After back to back "flat" seasons coming off of 2003, there's going to be a shakeup, there has to be. As far as I'm concerned, there are only four constants for next year: Cabrera, Willis, Beckett and Delgado.

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Thank you !!! Some people judging by their replies are consciously or unconsciously arguing to keep the team the same we have had two years of absolutely no chemistry on offense , if we had a consistent average offense instead of our lose 2 games 2 to 1 offense than win the third game 14-0 we wouldnt be sitting on the sidelines during the playoffs. Major changes are needed !!!

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Chemistry has had nothing to do with our problems on offense. Just because the players may not like each other off the field doesn't mean that's the reason why we're struggling. We're struggling because we have one of the worst hitting coaches in the league who can't seem to fix hitters' swings when they're in slumps and poor situational hitting.

I think next years team will be

C-Loduca

1b- Delgado

2b-Castillo

3b-Cabrera

ss-Andino

lf-Willingham

cf-Pierre (if still here)

rf-Hermida

Chemistry has had nothing to do with our problems on offense. Just because the players may not like each other off the field doesn't mean that's the reason why we're struggling. We're struggling because we have one of the worst hitting coaches in the league who can't seem to fix hitters' swings when they're in slumps and poor situational hitting.

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What other explanation could there be for a team that leads the league in BA, yet is last in Close and Late? There is plenty of talent here, they just don't perform when the game is on the line.

Chemistry has had nothing to do with our problems on offense. Just because the players may not like each other off the field doesn't mean that's the reason why we're struggling. We're struggling because we have one of the worst hitting coaches in the league who can't seem to fix hitters' swings when they're in slumps and poor situational hitting.

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What other explanation could there be for a team that leads the league in BA, yet is last in Close and Late? There is plenty of talent here, they just don't perform when the game is on the line.

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I already said that the team is struggling because of poor situational hitting, which ties into Close and Late situations. That has nothing to do with whether the players like each other or not off the field. You could make the argument that the team gets many singles or doubles with one or two outs in an inning, only to strand the runner(s). I believe the blame must be placed on Robinson and the players. Robinson for not preparing the hitters to hit according to the situation and the players for not taking it upon themselves to do so.

Chemistry has had nothing to do with our problems on offense. Just because the players may not like each other off the field doesn't mean that's the reason why we're struggling. We're struggling because we have one of the worst hitting coaches in the league who can't seem to fix hitters' swings when they're in slumps and poor situational hitting.

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What other explanation could there be for a team that leads the league in BA, yet is last in Close and Late? There is plenty of talent here, they just don't perform when the game is on the line.

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Back in June or July, I looked at the situational stats, the Marlins ranking and league average and opportunity and everything. And there was a trend that the Marlins played more cautiously when runners were on base, batting with 1 or 2 outs or behind in the count. Fewer strikeouts and a higher batting average than league average but fewer runners from second or first scored than other teams. Search the archives it's there under the title 'analysis of the offense' I don't have the time to update it, but maybe at the end of the season. That's on the coaching staff if they're sending that mesage, halting runners and/or teaching those techniques.

Look, aside from something drastic, the lineup you saw on Saturday is likely next year's team.

 

Alex is probably gone, Encarnacion is definitely gone, and Lowell is free to anyone who wants him (and at least 60% of his salary). Hermida and Andino'll probably be starting, and if Lowell's traded, don't be surprised to see Willingham in left.

 

After back to back "flat" seasons coming off of 2003, there's going to be a shakeup, there has to be. As far as I'm concerned, there are only four constants for next year: Cabrera, Willis, Beckett and Delgado.

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I'm thinking similar to you. But. . .

 

With Delgado and Cabrera which I consider to be two of the best hitters in baseball, it would be a shame if we start with Willy, Hermida and Andino. I would like Hermida to start for sure, and I'm liking what I'm seeing from Andino (but no rdy to declare him MLB ready yet).

 

Add one or two vets with some pop to this team (jerome burnitz type player), and I think we will be fine on the offense.

Look, aside from something drastic, the lineup you saw on Saturday is likely next year's team.

 

Alex is probably gone, Encarnacion is definitely gone, and Lowell is free to anyone who wants him (and at least 60% of his salary).? Hermida and Andino'll probably be starting, and if Lowell's traded, don't be surprised to see Willingham in left.

 

After back to back "flat" seasons coming off of 2003, there's going to be a shakeup, there has to be.? As far as I'm concerned, there are only four constants for next year: Cabrera, Willis, Beckett and Delgado.

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I'm thinking similar to you. But. . .

 

With Delgado and Cabrera which I consider to be two of the best hitters in baseball, it would be a shame if we start with Willy, Hermida and Andino. I would like Hermida to start for sure, and I'm liking what I'm seeing from Andino (but no rdy to declare him MLB ready yet).

 

Add one or two vets with some pop to this team (jerome burnitz type player), and I think we will be fine on the offense.

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Well, hell, if we're talking dream scenario:

 

Let Encarnacion walk, same with Alex: take the money they have saved you and eat some of Lowell's deal.

 

Stick Hermida in Encarnacion's spot, convince Conine to retire so it doesn't get messy, and then go hard after Brian Giles. IMO, Giles is the absolutely ideal F.A. for us on the market.

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