PBMarlin Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Only AJ got the automatic offer to get the draft pick. I'm very surprised Jones was not offered arbitration. In addition, the Marlins did not offer arbitration to any of their free agents before Wednesday's midnight deadline with the exception of A.J. Burnett, which was a formality to assure they receive a compensatory draft pick from the Blue Jays. That means Conine along with others like Damion Easley, Antonio Alfonseca, and Ismael Valdez are precluded from negotiating with the club until next May. The Marlins did re-sign Brian Moehler to a one-year deal and Lenny Harris to a minor-league contract with an invite to spring training. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I'll miss you Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimopain Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Well, I guess Alfonseca won't be re-signed afterall. I can't really say I'm disappointed about that. But I am disappointed about Niner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 That's really sad. At least the Marlins wanted him back...too bad he wants to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt05 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Is there a reason that Enc and TJ wern't offered arby?? Did Beinfest forget about them amongst all these trades?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only reason I can think of is the Marlins don't want the first round draft picks next year. They are doing all they can to conserve cash and don't want to pay the signing bonuses. They'll get a sandwich pick and 3rd rounder for AJ and that's it (other than their own picks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Is there a reason that Enc and TJ wern't offered arby?? Did Beinfest forget about them amongst all these trades?? Enc isn't a type-a, so the risk wasn't worth the reward considering he'd likely take it and make about $6 million next season through arbitration. Jones' deal with the Tigers is probably like what we had with Al Leiter last offseason, understood to be good only if not offered arbitration. Still, I agree that Jones probably should have gotten it given that he's now the best available closer left on the market with Wickman and Hoffman signing today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt05 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 No more 4-3-2-JUAN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only reason I can think of is the Marlins don't want the first round draft picks next year. They are doing all they can to conserve cash and don't want to pay the signing bonuses. They'll get a sandwich pick and 3rd rounder for AJ and that's it (other than their own picks). I didn't even think about that, good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanks1212 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only reason I can think of is the Marlins don't want the first round draft picks next year. They are doing all they can to conserve cash and don't want to pay the signing bonuses. They'll get a sandwich pick and 3rd rounder for AJ and that's it (other than their own picks). I didn't even think about that, good point. If that's the main reason, then that really pisses me off. Even if they don't want to pay out bonuses, you can select players who might be second round talent but will sign for a much smaller bonus and get them into the system, which is better than not getting any prospects at all. This organization needs to stockpile picks as much as possible, bonuses be damned. I doubt not wanting to pay out bonuses is the reason for not offering arby to these guys. However, I can't think of a good reason to not offer it to Jones after he already agreed to terms on a multiyear deal today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only reason I can think of is the Marlins don't want the first round draft picks next year. They are doing all they can to conserve cash and don't want to pay the signing bonuses. They'll get a sandwich pick and 3rd rounder for AJ and that's it (other than their own picks). I didn't even think about that, good point. If that's the main reason, then that really pisses me off. Even if they don't want to pay out bonuses, you can select players who might be second round talent but will sign for a much smaller bonus and get them into the system, which is better than not getting any prospects at all. This organization needs to stockpile picks as much as possible, bonuses be damned. I doubt not wanting to pay out bonuses is the reason for not offering arby to these guys. However, I can't think of a good reason to not offer it to Jones after he already agreed to terms on a multiyear deal today. They did that whole second round talent this past year. They passed on some pretty good players with signability in mind...I think they just didn't want to go that route again as it is counterproductive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 We made a mistake. Encarnacion was not going to come back after boog said he got drunk his last game here. Todd Jones was going to sign for 2-3 years anyway. Conine was worth the risk since we could have dealt him at the deadline! BIG MISTAKE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanks1212 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 The only reason I can think of is the Marlins don't want the first round draft picks next year. They are doing all they can to conserve cash and don't want to pay the signing bonuses. They'll get a sandwich pick and 3rd rounder for AJ and that's it (other than their own picks). I didn't even think about that, good point. If that's the main reason, then that really pisses me off. Even if they don't want to pay out bonuses, you can select players who might be second round talent but will sign for a much smaller bonus and get them into the system, which is better than not getting any prospects at all. This organization needs to stockpile picks as much as possible, bonuses be damned. I doubt not wanting to pay out bonuses is the reason for not offering arby to these guys. However, I can't think of a good reason to not offer it to Jones after he already agreed to terms on a multiyear deal today. They did that whole second round talent this past year. They passed on some pretty good players with signability in mind...I think they just didn't want to go that route again as it is counterproductive. It's counterproductive if all you draft is pitchers when your farm system already has a ton - doing that again this year would be kind of pointless. If they did the same position loading strategy this year only with positional prospects, I think it would be pretty productive. A 2nd round talent taken in a first round slot is better than no pick at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My3Username Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Is there a reason that Enc and TJ wern't offered arby?? Did Beinfest forget about them amongst all these trades?? Marlins declined to offer arbitration to 1B/OF Jeff Conine, INF Damion Easley, RHP Antonio Alfonseca and RHP Ismael Valdez, OF Juan Encarnacion, SS Alex Gonzalez, RHP Todd Jones, RHP Jim Mecir, 3B Mike Mordecai and RHP Paul Quantrill. Those draft picks would just cost money to sign. The Marlins made offers to both Conine and Alfonseca, but neither accepted. Dec. 8 - 1:00 am et Im sick to my stomach right now. I hate to say it but Loria needs to sell the team to someone more wealthy who can atleast offered to pay draft picks. :confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 It has become obvious that Loria has no cash to put into a stadium deal. What they are doing is trying to pare down expenses to the fullest extent possible, hopefully to generate the cash flow to get a stadium deal put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I have no problems with this. We needed to offer Conine a contract, no arbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 From what I read this morning, the Marlins wanted Conine back and he declined, preferring to latch on and finish his career with a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I find this very odd. However atleast two of those weren't going to be playing next year in a big league uniform. Three others may have made more money in a one year arbitration deal than a multi-year deal on the open market. While the others were role players or were not to have any draft pick compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan24 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 This is like a stake through my ******* heart. See ya, Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 That's really sad. At least the Marlins wanted him back...too bad he wants to move on. If they wanted him back, why didn't they offer him arbitration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 If they wanted him back, why didn't they offer him arbitration? Because the least they could offer him through arbitration was 80% of what he made in 2005. It's same problem the team had with re-signing Chad Fox (and luckily we didn't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoriaLovesVegas Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 nobody is left to teach the young players the ropes of being a major leaguer they will all grow up to be cocky and selfish unless they bring in some mentors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Wouldn't they be less resentful without the veterans being there to hold their hand and teach them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I have no problem with having Dontrelle as the clubhouse leader. He has leader written all over him based on the way he conducts himself on and off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I have no problem with having Dontrelle as the clubhouse leader. He has leader written all over him based on the way he conducts himself on and off the field. I'd put Harris in the category, actually. I don't know about 'leader', but from what I've heard, he gets along with everyone and is one of the biggest voices in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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