February 13, 200620 yr LF: Jeff Conine CF: Juan Pierre RF: Cliff Floyd 1B: Derek Lee 2B: Luis Castillo SS: Edgar Renteria 3B: Miguel Cabrera C: Ivan Rodriguez 1S: Dontrelle Willis 2S: Kevin Brown 3S: Brad Penny 4S: Carl Pavano 5S: AJ Burnett SU: Ugueth Urbina CL: Armando Benitez Pinch hitter: Gary Sheffield
February 13, 200620 yr Based on what they've done as Marlins (so one year wonders like Pudge and Benitez are excluded): C-Charles Johnson 1B-Derrek Lee 2B-Luis Castillo SS-Alex Gonzalez 3B-Miguel Cabrera LF-Jeff Conine CF-Juan Pierre RF-Gary Sheffield SP-Josh Beckett SP-Dontrelle Willis SP-Livan Hernandez SP-Kevin Brown SP-AJ Burnett CL-Robb Nen
February 13, 200620 yr LF: Miguel Cabrera CF: Juan Pierre RF: Gary Sheffield 1B: Jeff Conine 2B: Luis Castillo SS: Edgar Renteria 3B: Mike Lowell C: Ivan Rodriguez 1S: Dontrelle Willis 2S: Kevin Brown 3S: Josh Beckett 4S: Al. Leiter 5S: AJ Burnett SU: Rob Nen CL: Armando Benitez
February 13, 200620 yr LF: Cliff Floyd CF: Juan Pierre RF: Gary Sheffield 1B: Carlos Delgado 2B: Luis Castillo SS: Edgar Renteria 3B: Miguel Cabrera C: Ivan Rodriguez 1S: Dontrelle Willis 2S: Kevin Brown 3S: Josh Beckett 4S: Al Leiter 5S: Carl Pavano SU: Armando Benitez CL: Robb Nen Pinch hitter: Lenny Harris
February 13, 200620 yr Based on entire career except Piazza C Ivan Rodriguez 1b Carlos Delgado 2b Luis Castillo 3b Mike Lowell SS Edgar Renteria LF Cliff FLoyd RF Gary Sheffield CF Juan Pierre Bench Jeff Conine Miguel Cabrera Lenny Harris Charles Johnson Pitching Rotation Dontrelle Willis Kevin Brown Al Leiter Johan Santana(Rule 5 draft pick) Carl Pavano CP Trevor Hoffman SU Ugeth Urbina
February 13, 200620 yr HITTERS: C- Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez 1B-Derek Lee 2nd-Luis Castillo 3rd-Mikey Lowell SS-Edgar Renteria LF-Miguel Cabrera CF-Juan Pierre RF-Gary Sheffield PITCHERS: 1-Kevin Brown 2-Alex Fernandez 3-Josh Beckett 4-Dontrelle Willis 5-Al Lieter Relievers: Setup-Trevor Hoffman Closer-Robb Nen Bench- Darren Daulton Moises Alou Craig Counsell Charles Johnson Chuck Carr remaining relievers: Dennis Cook Mr. Urbina Armando benitez Jay Powell (love this guy) Guy worth mentioning: Charlie Hough, had a good first year for us, but wasn't mentioned cause it wasn't elite. what do you guys think? QUICK EDIT: Jeff Conine could have easily taken Carr's spot in the bench, but Carr is one of my favs.
February 13, 200620 yr C: Pudge 1B: D-Lee 2B: Luis Castillo 3B: Mike Lowell SS: Edgar Renteria LF: Jeff Conine CF: Juan Pierre RF: Gary Sheffield SP1: Charlie Hough SP2: Josh Beckett SP3: Dontrelle Willis SP4: Brad Penny SP5: Livan Hernandez Bullpen: Bryan Harvey, Chris Hammond, Ryan Dempster, Ugeth Urbina, Armando Benitez, Trevor Hoffman, Matt Mantei, Dennis Cook
February 13, 200620 yr Including one year wonders... C - Pudge 1B - Delgado 2B - Louie SS - Renteria 3B - Miggy LF - Floyd CF - JP RF - Sheffield 1- D-Train 2- Kevin Brown 3 - Josh Beckett 4 - Livan Hernandez 5 - AJ Burnett Bullpen Long Reliever/spot starter - Brad Penny SU - Brian Harvey SU - Rob Nen CU - Armando Benitez Lineup: 1. JP 2. Louie 3. Miggy 4. Delgado 5. Sheffield 6. Floyd 7. Pudge 8. Renteria That's a SICK lineup.
February 13, 200620 yr C:Ivan Rodriguez 1B:Derek Lee 2B:Luis Castillo SS:Edgar Renteria 3B:Miguel Cabrera LF:Moises Alou CF:Juan Pierre RF:Gary Sheffield Starting Rotation 1.Dontrelle Willis 2.Kevin Brown 3.Livan Hernandez 4.AJ Burnett 5.Ryan Dempster Bull Pen Ugueth Urbina Armando Benitez Bryan Harvey Trevor Hoffman Rob Nen Bench: C:Paul Lo Duca 1B:Carlos Delgado SS:Alex Gonzalez LF:Jeff Conine CF:Preston Wilson LF:Cliff Floyd 3B:Mike Lowell This is the best team assembled so far,with no flaws.
February 13, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI.
February 13, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Yeah I don't get that.
February 13, 200620 yr Batting Order Outfield Starters: Pierre, Cabrera, Sheffield Bench Outfield: Carr, Conine, Floyd, Alou, Millar Infielder Starters: Lowell, Gonzo, Castillo, Lee---(SIMPLY BEST DEFENSIVE INFIELD THIS TEAM HAD) Bench Infielders: Daulton, Renteria, Delgado, Barbiere Catcher: Starter--Charles Johnson with Pudge and Lo-Duca as backups Starting 5--- Brown Lieter Willis Beckett Burnett Relief Help Urbina Hoffman Nen Benetiz Heredia Alfonseca Mantei Penny(long relief help)
February 13, 200620 yr Author Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Yeah I don't get that. the people that didn't put Lowell at 3rd put Cabrera there... people are starting to think of him as a third baseman more than a left-fielder now and people have to love him right now because he's what the team's being built around offensively... but yeah, Lowell's a better 3rd baseman.
February 13, 200620 yr if you dont have the IF from 02-03 your crazy one of the most defensively sound infields in HISTORY. 3 of the 4 should have had gold gloves that year. i think gonzo was snubed by someone? not sure but that defense was amazing the offesense stuggles with them but that infield was amazing and should be on the all time marlins team....
February 13, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Cabrera is a defensive liability on the OF. And Miggy has to be play
February 14, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Cabrera is a defensive liability on the OF. And Miggy has to be play :lol :lol :lol What a lame excuse. Since when are all-time teams based on defense? Breaking news: Cabrera has only played 60-something games at 3rd. That shouldn't make him eligible to be the greatest third basemen in Marlins history when there is someone that's been there longer and leads (or near the top) the franchise in many offensive categories. Talk to me in 2-3 years and my position will most likely have changed. :thumbup
February 14, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Cabrera is a defensive liability on the OF. And Miggy has to be play :lol :lol :lol What a lame excuse. Since when are all-time teams based on defense? Breaking news: Cabrera has only played 60-something games at 3rd. That shouldn't make him eligible to be the greatest third basemen in Marlins history when there is someone that's been there longer and leads (or near the top) the franchise in many offensive categories. Talk to me in 2-3 years and my position will most likely have changed. :thumbup Cabrera did play third-base during the stretch run in '03 and for (more or less) the first two rounds of the playoffs. To me, that makes him eligible, and deserving.
February 14, 200620 yr Anyone who doesn't have Mike Lowell starting at 3B on an All-Time Marlins team doesn't understand the concept. Franchise leader in HR and RBI. Cabrera is a defensive liability on the OF. And Miggy has to be play :lol :lol :lol What a lame excuse. Since when are all-time teams based on defense? Breaking news: Cabrera has only played 60-something games at 3rd. That shouldn't make him eligible to be the greatest third basemen in Marlins history when there is someone that's been there longer and leads (or near the top) the franchise in many offensive categories. Talk to me in 2-3 years and my position will most likely have changed. :thumbup Cabrera did play third-base during the stretch run in '03 and for (more or less) the first two rounds of the playoffs. To me, that makes him eligible, and deserving. Over Mike Lowell!?! Hell no. Fact is the only reason he played 3rd during the stretch run in 2003 was because Mike Lowell's injury. Sure Mike Lowell really faded the last season and a half but it doesn't mean we should throw out all his accomplishments for the 5-6 seasons he was here because Cabrera will play his first full season at third.
February 14, 200620 yr To each his own, but if you say that the only reason Cabrera played third was that Lowell was hurt, well then I respond that the reason Lowell was on the trading block for the better part of '03 was because of Cabrera. I'll be honest though, I no longer care for Lowell. I dislike the fact that many of his accomplishments are likely steroid tainted, that he undermined most of the past two seasons through whining to the media and that he forced us to deal one of the franchise corner-stones we had to get out from under the dead-weight that was his contract. I agree you can't overlook that Lowell is the leader of most career offensive categories, but that's simply because of tenure. Cabrera likely will have the career lead in most of Lowell's categories in 2 years anyway, and he already leads Lowell in most single season categories. I think Cabrera at third is a fine choice, considering Conine and Sheffield both deserves spots in the starting lineup.
February 14, 200620 yr C-Ivan Rodriguez 1-Derrek Lee 2-Luis Castillo 3-Mike Lowell SS-Edgar Renteria LF-Miguel Cabrera CF-Juan Pierre RF-Gary Sheffield (Soon to be Jeremy Hermida hehe) *knocks on wood* SP1- Kevin Brown SP2- Al Leiter SP3- Livan Hernandez SP4- Josh Beckett SP5- Dontrelle Willis BP- Antonio Alfonseca, Armando Benitez, Ugueth Urbina, Vic Darensbourg, Braden Looper, Todd Jones SU- Robb Nenn CP- Bryan Harvey I don't understand why some people have put Trevor Hoffman. He didn't play long with us and really didn't do much until he was traded to San Diego. Much like why people haven't put Bryan Harvey as the closer. That guy was one of the sickest closers in the history of the majors! If he had stayed healthy, the way he pitched, he could've made a HOF run.
February 14, 200620 yr To each his own, but if you say that the only reason Cabrera played third was that Lowell was hurt, well then I respond that the reason Lowell was on the trading block for the better part of '03 was because of Cabrera. I'll be honest though, I no longer care for Lowell. I dislike the fact that many of his accomplishments are likely steroid tainted, that he undermined most of the past two seasons through whining to the media and that he forced us to deal one of the franchise corner-stones we had to get out from under the dead-weight that was his contract. I agree you can't overlook that Lowell is the leader of most career offensive categories, but that's simply because of tenure. Cabrera likely will have the career lead in most of Lowell's categories in 2 years anyway, and he already leads Lowell in most single season categories. I think Cabrera at third is a fine choice, considering Conine and Sheffield both deserves spots in the starting lineup. Don't spin the facts it for the argument. Mike Lowell was on the block for most of 2003 because he was going to become a free agent and make 8-9M a year. It was perceived at the time that the club was going on to carry on the tradition of selling off players near free agency. Mike Lowell didn't force anyone to trade a corner-stone. You can put the blame on th Front Office. :thumbup
February 14, 200620 yr Mike Lowell didn't force anyone to trade a corner-stone. You can put the blame on th Front Office. :thumbup Or drug testing.
February 14, 200620 yr Mike Lowell didn't force anyone to trade a corner-stone. You can put the blame on th Front Office. :thumbup Or drug testing. Uh no. Drug testing didn't force Loria and Co. to go into this "market correction".
February 14, 200620 yr Mike Lowell didn't force anyone to trade a corner-stone. You can put the blame on th Front Office. :thumbup Or drug testing. Uh no. Drug testing didn't force Loria and Co. to go into this "market correction". Oh but it resulted in Lowell's disappearance and thus the departure of Beckett.
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