March 27, 200618 yr Left field is meant for Kris Harvey!!! I dont want Ambercrombie there! I wouldnt mind giving Stokes a shot in left field.
March 27, 200618 yr Left field is meant for Kris Harvey!!! I dont want Ambercrombie there! I wouldnt mind giving Stokes a shot in left field. let's let Kris have some at bats in the minors, k?
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. There's been no "consistently." He hasn't been consistently in the majors so you can't say that.
March 27, 200618 yr It's inevitable that Petit's name comes up in trade talks. And then you will all wonder how I knew...
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. In your world GMs are dumber than you are. This is just not so. I advise anyone arguing with Spike to stop now to preserve sanity. It's like trying to explain nuclear physics to your 5-year old sister. It's inevitable that Petit's name comes up in trade talks. And then you will all wonder how I knew... doubtful. especially in gathright's case. give it up already.
March 27, 200618 yr In your world GMs are dumber than you are. This is just not so. I advise anyone arguing with Spike to stop now to preserve sanity. It's like trying to explain nuclear physics to your 5-year old sister. :lol
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. In your world GMs are dumber than you are. This is just not so. I advise anyone arguing with Spike to stop now to preserve sanity. It's like trying to explain nuclear physics to your 5-year old sister. It's inevitable that Petit's name comes up in trade talks. And then you will all wonder how I knew... doubtful. especially in gathright's case. give it up already. Was it doubtful when I said that Nolasco would be a top tier pitcher when everyone wrote him off before ST even started?
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. There's been no "consistently." He hasn't been consistently in the majors so you can't say that. Consistently as in he has consistently sucked while he's been in the majors. No, I have no faith in Mitre, I have seen him be outmatched on several(actually most) occastions. As for Gathright, we do not need to trade for him. We will not compete. And if we were competing, Nolasco is still too high a price after the spring Gathright has had, when Nolasco has had a very awesome spring. I am not saying I am against pursuing him, I am saying I think the D-Rays front office is dumb for setting the asking price so high in the first place.
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. In your world GMs are dumber than you are. This is just not so. I advise anyone arguing with Spike to stop now to preserve sanity. It's like trying to explain nuclear physics to your 5-year old sister. It's inevitable that Petit's name comes up in trade talks. And then you will all wonder how I knew... doubtful. especially in gathright's case. give it up already. Was it doubtful when I said that Nolasco would be a top tier pitcher when everyone wrote him off before ST even started? He's not a top tier pitcher, he's just more polished than our higher ceiling pitching prospects. And who were all these people writing off Nolasco in spring training? I don't see it as all that shocking that he secured a bullpen spot. Just like I won't be that shocked to see Willingham hit 15+ homers with a 350+ OBP.
March 27, 200618 yr nolasco is too good to be traded for gathright. his stuff is electric and he has impeccable control. he posted the best numbers out of all our pitching prospects last year (except for petit). But Nolasco had to repeat a level, did he not? Numbers be damned (at least partially) Nolasco is behind Willis, Olsen, Petit, Sanchez, Volstad and even with Johnson and Vargas for that all important projectable future in the 2008 rotation. Just saying that dealing a good player from a position of strength for a player needed to fill a weakness is a good idea. It's better than dealing Olsen, Petit or Sanchez. I'm against the idea of ever trading a top tier pitcher. Hearing Andino and Uggla's comments in the paper a few weeks back about how they thought Nolasco was the nastiest pitcher they'd faced, I'm against trading anyone like that... True they have depth at pitcher, but I don't want to trade someone like that, or the guys you listed above, to be honest. I say you start the season with the team in tact- Aguila and Abercrombie. If a month goes by and you need more offense, you consider trading one of these players for an outfielder.
March 27, 200618 yr I'm going by what we've seen in the majors. Mitre has shown that he can not pitch at the MLB level, Nolasco has not had that chance. Now if we could swing a trade of someone that consistently sucked at the MLB level for someone with potential that he cant seem to live up to(Mitre for Gathright) that'd be just wonderful. In your world GMs are dumber than you are. This is just not so. I advise anyone arguing with Spike to stop now to preserve sanity. It's like trying to explain nuclear physics to your 5-year old sister. It's inevitable that Petit's name comes up in trade talks. And then you will all wonder how I knew... doubtful. especially in gathright's case. give it up already. Was it doubtful when I said that Nolasco would be a top tier pitcher when everyone wrote him off before ST even started? you didnt exactly go off on a huge limb with Nolasco... he was absolutely amazing last year
March 27, 200618 yr Ya I was really looking forward to his control after all the scouting reports, and he hasn't disappointed. But I know I didn't go on a limb--just that a lot of people here weren't expecting anything from here. I stand by my claim that he's on the same level as Petit, Johnson, Hernandez, etc.
March 27, 200618 yr http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/27/Rays/Spe...es_a_slow.shtml WHAT'S THE DEAL: The Rays are still talking about outfielder Joey Gathright with several interested teams, including the Marlins, though no deal appears imminent. Even with Rocco Baldelli 's availability to play centerfield unclear, the Rays appear willing to deal Gathright for one premium pitching prospect. Though earlier talks seemed to focus on left-hander Scott Olsen , the Rays are said to have been impressed this spring by right-hander Ricky Nolasco , one of three pitchers the Marlins acquired from the Cubs for outfielder Juan Pierre . Joey Gathright - OF - Devil Rays The Devil Rays are reportedly still trying to deal Joey Gathright for "one premium pitching prospect." Well sure, why wouldn't they be? The Marlins still seem like the best fit and the two teams are said to still be talking about a potential trade involving Scott Olsen or Ricky Nolasco. Mar. 27 - 11:18 am et Source: St Petersburg Times Now thats more like it . If all it takes to get Joey Gathright is Ricky Nolasco then im okay with it. Now if it takes Olsen, Petit, Sanchez, or Johnson count me out :thumbdown P.S I still want Ryan Church on our team
March 27, 200618 yr NO WAY!!! No Nolasco! For that just do it for Olsen, or don't do it at all, keep both, why such a demand for Gathright, better situations will present themselves. Don't deal our talent! We will have a losing reord, let's build through draft and waivers, no need for this!
March 27, 200618 yr The Devil Rays are reportedly still trying to deal Joey Gathright for "one premium pitching prospect." Well sure, why wouldn't they be? I think that sums it up right there. Why wouldn't the Rays want to trade a piece of garbage for "one premium pitching prospect" I REALLY hope Beinfest isn't thinking about trading for Gathright.
March 27, 200618 yr Julian Tavarez threw a punch at Joey Gathright during an incident in the top of the eighth on Monday's game between the Red Sox and Devil Rays. After apparently getting spiked at the plate while covering home, Tavarez connected with a right to Gathright's chin. Players rushed the field from there, but nothing further happened. Tavarez will likely face a suspension over the incident, perhaps a harsh one. Maybe that will clear a spot for Craig Hansen in the Boston bullpen.
March 27, 200618 yr do we have a leadoff hitter: no do we have a CF: no do we have a surplus of pitchers: yes do we want young talented players on the team: yes doesnt seem that far fetched
March 27, 200618 yr do we have a leadoff hitter: no do we have a CF: no do we have a surplus of pitchers: yes do we want young talented players on the team: yes doesnt seem that far fetched do we need a true leadoff hitter this year when we have no chance to compete in '06: no do we need a true CF this year when we have no chance to compete in '06: no can you ever have too much pitching: no is joey gathright overrated: yes
March 27, 200618 yr I agree with DCFish. Don't count your chickens before they hatch, we have a surplus of pitchers, but you can never have too many pitchers, we will at the end keep the very best, and yes Gathright is OVERRATED! Is just an object that you want cause you can't have.
March 27, 200618 yr I have and it's not worth trading a premier pitching prospect over. Tampa Bay has a history of just wanting teams to over pay for any player, they make Ryan McGuire look like Mark McGwire.
March 27, 200618 yr Gotta agree with the substance of DC's comments here. Gathright on his own isn't going to lead the 2006 Marlins to the promised land. Ramirez seems penciled in as our leadoff guy, let's see what a Joe Girardi-constructed team looks and plays like this season before we start trading off coin of the realm guys like Olsen or Johnson or Nolasco, all of whom (and if you believe some published reports, two of whom) the Devil Rays' delusional front office thought were apt compensation for a player who may wind going to the minors when everyone is healthy (Gathright, who I unabashedly like). We can all play GM from now until next Christmas, or pencil in our own lineup cards with whoever is our fancy but Beinfest and Girardi seem so far to be on the same page. Let's see what comes of it.
March 27, 200618 yr We can't just trade for the sake of trading, allow our guys to mold together. Gathrights asking price is too high, and if he was worth a Nolasco or even an Olsen than trust me other teams would have jumped on him long time ago. His price will go down, hopefully by that time Abercrombie would be performing like I think he will (above average), because I don't want to personally trade any of our pitching prospects, REALLY.
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