May 4, 200620 yr Garcia says there is a VERY VERY good chance this passes. YES. Looking good. *hopes its not a tease*
May 4, 200620 yr CBS 4: "Do you want to foot the bill for a Marlins Stadium?" Out of towners, this is why we heard nothing on the stadium front.
May 4, 200620 yr CBS 4: "Do you want to foot the bill for a Marlins Stadium?" Out of towners, this is why we heard nothing on the stadium front. I see Huizenga has his Spin Machine working late and running full steam. Must be a good sign.
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. One step at a time, let's not get ahead of ourselves. lol
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. No, it means Hialeah is a done deal before it's even announced. :thumbup
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. One step at a time, let's not get ahead of ourselves. lol only if they build a new stadium. They won't get a penny at Dolphin Stadium so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. No, it means Hialeah is a done deal before it's even announced. :thumbup 100% correct
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. No, it means Hialeah is a done deal before it's even announced. :thumbup haha, hopefully.
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. No, it means Hialeah is a done deal before it's even announced. :thumbup haha, hopefully. No, for sure.
May 4, 200620 yr so if this vovte passes what does it mean/ if it passes both chambers then we've got ourselves a new stadium :thumbup no, it means Marlins get $2 million/year for 30 years to be used towards a stadium. No, it means Hialeah is a done deal before it's even announced. :thumbup haha, hopefully. what the hell else could it mean?
May 4, 200620 yr No, for sure. I understand, but let's not go saying, "This passed, Marlins have a stadium for sure." What this means is that they get $60 million. We can logically assume it would be a done deal, but let's hold off on declaring the stadium is done until all the wrinkles are ironed out.
May 4, 200620 yr I believe it's the local government, that builds the ballpark, that gets the rebate. It's the same as the Marlins; but since Hialeah(or local) gets the rebate, it's makes it easier for Tally to swallow....
May 4, 200620 yr I'm trying to be positive BUT I have to ask a question: What if this doesn't pass? PLAN B.
May 4, 200620 yr I'm trying to be positive BUT I have to ask a question: What if this doesn't pass? Look at the Plan A and Plan B Thread :thumbup
May 4, 200620 yr I'm trying to be positive BUT I have to ask a question: What if this doesn't pass? Nothing. Supposedly the Hialeah deal is not dependent on this thing passing. So if it does pass, then its extra money that can be used towards the project and would allow Miami-Dade and Hialeah to decrease their contributions (I believe). Like Cape said, its all gravy.
May 4, 200620 yr I'm trying to be positive BUT I have to ask a question: What if this doesn't pass? Nothing. Supposedly the Hialeah deal is not dependent on this thing passing. So if it does pass, then its extra money that can be used towards the project and would allow Miami-Dade and Hialeah to decrease their contributions (I believe). Like Cape said, its all gravy. In that scenario, all of a sudden we have too much money :lol :lol :lol Who would've thunk it?
May 4, 200620 yr I hope the Hialeah deal is not dependant on this, or we may have a deal breaker This is the key. We will welcome state help but hopefully if it doesn't pass, it will not affect the Hialeah deal very negatively.
May 4, 200620 yr http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlins_0504.html Marlins' stadium aid in reach By S.V. Date Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau Thursday, May 04, 2006 TALLAHASSEE ? With no warning and just two days left in the legislative session, a second $60 million subsidy for the Florida Marlins on Wednesday made it further than ever in the Florida Senate after Miami members attached it to another sports stadium bill. Sen. Rudy Garcia, R-Hialeah, got his Senate colleagues to create the $2 million-a-year sports stadium slot for the baseball team to play in a new ballpark in his hometown. Under the bill, the Marlins' current $2 million-a-year subsidy would be deemed to have been for the football Dolphins and would continue to flow to Dolphin Stadium owner H. Wayne Huizenga for another 18 years. Garcia and former Majority Leader Alex Villalobos joined with Sen. Alex Diaz de la Portilla to push the idea, setting aside their ordinarily bitter rivalry. Diaz de la Portilla this year helped lead an effort to remove Villalobos as the Senate's 2008-10 president. "Our responsibility is to make it as favorable for the local governments as possible to ensure that they have an opportunity to keep the Florida Marlins in South Florida," Diaz de la Portilla said. The idea still has the opposition of Senate President Tom Lee, who said he has concerns about the way it made it onto the floor without having gone through a single committee as well as the $2 million-a-year cost it would add without any analysis from his budget staff. Lee would not let the matter go the Senate floor last year, saying he wasn't going to waste the Senate's time on something that did not have the votes to pass. "I think it could be a pretty close vote," he said late Wednesday. "We'll see when the board lights up." Marlins President David Samson said he learned of the move from a phone call after the amendment had been successfully added to a proposal (HB 615) that would otherwise extend an existing $2 million-a-year slot for the Orlando Magic basketball team. "I was excited to get that call because the county of Miami-Dade, the city of Hialeah and the local Dade delegation showed incredible leadership through this process to get to this point," Samson said. If the proposal passes the full Senate today or Friday, it would head to the House, where it easily passed a year ago on a bill that included a host of sports subsidies. The late-session attempt would be the fifth time the Marlins have tried for the money in six years. In 1993, the state Department of Revenue sued what was then Joe Robbie Stadium, arguing that it should get no more than $10 million of the $60 million because that's all Huizenga had spent. His allies in the legislature in 1994 changed the law to permit any improvements at the park to count toward the $60 million. The suit was dismissed as moot. During the past 12 years, seven of Florida's nine pro sports teams have gotten the $60 million. At first, it went only to new teams such as the Marlins, but eventually even established teams got the money as a matter of what proponents said was "fairness." Together, they now account for $14 million a year in tax money going to private pro sports teams. A golf museum gets another $2 million, a fishing museum gets $1 million and five spring training sites each get $500,000. And to think no one in the media have ever thought that this type of maneuver could have been in any way a possibility this year... :whistle
May 4, 200620 yr TALLAHASSEE -- The Florida Senate on Wednesday night unexpectedly breathed life into a push to get state help for a new Marlins ballpark. With less than three days left in this year's legislative session, Miami senators surprised their colleagues with a proposed state funding plan for a South Florida stadium. It was a dramatic turnaround from only a year ago when a similar measure was blocked from being heard on the Senate floor despite a personal appeal from the president of Major League Baseball - and even as it was rumored the two-time World Series champions could be looking to move elsewhere. "This is an incredible opportunity that will allow the Marlins to stay in Florida," said Sen. Rudy Garcia, R-Miami, who helped broker the breakthrough with fellow Miami Republican senators Alex Villalobos and Alex Diaz de la Portilla. But the proposal still faces an uphill battle when it comes to a final Senate floor vote today. "It could be difficult to (pass)," said Senate President Tom Lee, R-Brandon, who blocked the team's efforts last year. "We'll see when the board lights up." If it passes the Senate and is agreed to by the House - where Speaker-designate Marco Rubio of Miami is a Marlins supporter - the plan would allow the local government that builds the new stadium to get up to $60 million from the state over 30 years. "My reaction was how thankful I was the county of Miami-Dade and the city of Hialeah have worked so hard with our local senators to make this happen. It's been a long, many year process and the leadership shown by our local delegation in Tallahassee is very exciting to us," said Marlins President David Samson. San Antonio has already offered a financing proposal and three team executives toured potential sites in the Texas city on Wednesday. But the team has always maintained it wants to stay in South Florida and serious talks are underway with the county and the city of Hialeah to finance a stadium in western Hialeah on a site where an industrial office park project is planned. While the state funding doesn't fill the gap in financing, it will help and symbolizes the state's interest in keeping the team in Florida, Samson said. "I think state involvement has always been a very important part of any deal," he added. "Having the state, the county and the city recognize the importance of the Marlins is extraordinarily positive." The Marlins have been playing in Dolphin Stadium, where they have one-year lease options through 2010. This is the fifth time a pitch has been made for state help in building a stadium. Not everyone in the Senate agrees the team needs financial help from the state. "The Marlins have had so many dips from the well we do not need to help them," Sen. Michael Bennett, R-Bradenton. "Anyone who can afford $90 million to have a guy throw a ball can build his own stadium." But supporters said the team will generate a lot more than $2 million in sales tax each year, making money for the state while helping to build its own stadium. "I don't know why people here are so anti-Marlins. The Marlins are a great group of guys. They won two world series. With a $72 billion (state) budget, help the home team out," said Villalobos. Another bill to be voted on today would also give Miami-Dade County and Hialeah to use some of the existing sales tax they get from the state to help fund construction of the ballpark. "I love the Marlins. I go down and watch them whenever my New York Mets come in to play," said Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey. "But?if I live in Tampa Bay or the Panhandle, why should my dollars be used to build a stadium 300 miles away?" :mischief2 :mischief2 :mischief2
May 4, 200620 yr Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Marlins recently say the gap has grown to closer to $80-$90 million?
May 4, 200620 yr Please get the fawking stadium deal done. For the sweet love of Jewsus, get it done.
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