July 7, 200619 yr Yes, I've had these same concerns for a while. Basicly, it boils down like this: No one really believe Hialeah to be a truly viable option other than Hialeah officials, and homers. The Marlins really don't MLB reeeeeeeeeeeeally doesn't either. Same with San Antonio. What the Marlins were hoping to do was play two markets that figured to be so star-struck by a major league team actually having interest in them (San Antonio, Hialeah) off of each other to either to get a super-sweet-heart deal, or get Miami to come back into the picture with a more desireable location. Like most everything that this ownership group has done, it didn't work out; call it the "Loria touch." Really, Hialeah was just a negotiating ploy to get a better offer from elsewhere, but with San Antonio backing out, it doesn't look like Hialeah's willing to fully cooperate. That, and I still don't see the reasoning behind turning your back on 60% of your season ticket-holder base (Palm Beach and Broward) and moving to a location with substantially less disposable income and a generally less safe environment. Now I realize it's the best and only option on the table, but I keep seeing Miami Arena 2.0 with this, if it happens, which I doubt it will. And, for the record, I'd say relocation chances are at an all-time low given what I've heard from my friend in the MLB office.
July 8, 200619 yr As someone who lived in Broward County for almost 8 years (Pembroke Pines very close to the proposed stadium site) and saw that site almost daily....how can anyone who has actually been there say it is any kind of neighborhood? The place is currently comprised of cow pastures, a landfill, some quarries, and grasslands. If you think the Marlins are turning their backs on Palm Beach and Broward residents with this site, then you must have no ownership claim on a map of South Florida. This site is north of the midpoint of the 3 counties and easily reachable via the Turnpike, I-75, and all other connecting highways. The site is almost 5 miles due WEST of Dolphins Stadium on Florida's Turnpike and actually makes it easier for suburban Broward County to access the site with I-75 and the Sawgrass Expressways. Before you couldn't use the Turnpike to get to the Stadium because the HEFT exchange at the Turnpike and I-75 only allows you to go South towards Key West from I-75 onto the Turnpike from the southbound lanes of I-75 (DS is north on the Turnpike from I-75 southbound) and North towards Naples from the Turnpike onto I-75 (while to get from DS back to the suburbs requires you to go north from the southbound lanes of the Turnpike. It was a one-way only exchange. Broward County residents had to use US27, Red Road, or University Drive to get to DS. This move instantly allows these very affluent suburbs of Broward County (within 30 minutes drive) to easily get to games instead of battling local traffic to get to Dolphins Stadium. These suburbs are easily the closest hope for season ticket holders.
July 8, 200619 yr As someone who lived in Broward County for almost 8 years (Pembroke Pines very close to the proposed stadium site) and saw that site almost daily....how can anyone who has actually been there say it is any kind of neighborhood? The place is currently comprised of cow pastures, a landfill, some quarries, and grasslands. If you think the Marlins are turning their backs on Palm Beach and Broward residents with this site, then you must have no ownership claim on a map of South Florida. This site is north of the midpoint of the 3 counties and easily reachable via the Turnpike, I-75, and all other connecting highways. The site is almost 5 miles due WEST of Dolphins Stadium on Florida's Turnpike and actually makes it easier for suburban Broward County to access the site with I-75 and the Sawgrass Expressways. Before you couldn't use the Turnpike to get to the Stadium because the HEFT exchange at the Turnpike and I-75 only allows you to go South towards Key West from I-75 onto the Turnpike from the southbound lanes of I-75 (DS is north on the Turnpike from I-75 southbound) and North towards Naples from the Turnpike onto I-75 (while to get from DS back to the suburbs requires you to go north from the southbound lanes of the Turnpike. It was a one-way only exchange. Broward County residents had to use US27, Red Road, or University Drive to get to DS. This move instantly allows these very affluent suburbs of Broward County (within 30 minutes drive) to easily get to games instead of battling local traffic to get to Dolphins Stadium. These suburbs are easily the closest hope for season ticket holders. Cape...I've been living in far Northwest Broward County since 1985. Even though I live 1 mile from the Sawgrass I don't take it. I go east on Sample, Atlantic, or Commercial and I easily access Joe Robbie Stadium via Turnpike directly south to exit directly at stadium. Couldn't be easier. Takes me 25 minutes. I have no idea what you're talking about with this HEFT exchange. If they build a new stadium in Hialeah, it looks like it will be an easy access via the same route except taking tthe turnpike a little further south.....or taking the Sawgrass. Either one a good option for fans in western Broward, or Palm Beach, and also good for Miami fans. Just build it, win, make it Uggla, and they will come. Just may take a few more years. And you are very correct. The proposed site is no neighborhood. It's exactly as you describe.
July 8, 200619 yr Yes, I've had these same concerns for a while. Basicly, it boils down like this: No one really believe Hialeah to be a truly viable option other than Hialeah officials, and homers. The Marlins really don't MLB reeeeeeeeeeeeally doesn't either. Same with San Antonio. What the Marlins were hoping to do was play two markets that figured to be so star-struck by a major league team actually having interest in them (San Antonio, Hialeah) off of each other to either to get a super-sweet-heart deal, or get Miami to come back into the picture with a more desireable location. Like most everything that this ownership group has done, it didn't work out; call it the "Loria touch." Really, Hialeah was just a negotiating ploy to get a better offer from elsewhere, but with San Antonio backing out, it doesn't look like Hialeah's willing to fully cooperate. That, and I still don't see the reasoning behind turning your back on 60% of your season ticket-holder base (Palm Beach and Broward) and moving to a location with substantially less disposable income and a generally less safe environment. Now I realize it's the best and only option on the table, but I keep seeing Miami Arena 2.0 with this, if it happens, which I doubt it will. And, for the record, I'd say relocation chances are at an all-time low given what I've heard from my friend in the MLB office. The location of the stadium will not be determined on the pros and cons of any particular location... the location will be based solely on funding. Loria wants taxpayers to build him a stadium and the stadium will be built where ever he can get government officials to build it for him. As of now out of the 100 or so South Florida governments only Hialeah and Miami-Dade County have even a remote interest in building him a stadium so as of now the stadium would be in Hialeah. I sure hope they put it on the ballot and let the people of Hialeah and Miami-Dade vote on any stadium deal. I don't think the Hialeah location is in any way "turning their back" on the 60% of the fans that come from Broward and Palm Beach. As the other poster wrote that location is north of the midpoint of the 3 counties. It's obvious PPS is well north of the midpoint but I'm a little surprised the Hialeah location is as well. The perfect location would be next to the AAA but I forget why that location was shot down a few years ago. Joe Arriola's replacemant for Miami City Manager was already picked so maybe Loria can bamboozle the new City Manager and Miami will jump back into the picture. The first thing Loria needs to do to get a stadium is to fire Samsom. I do agree the Marlins are not relocationg anywhere and that's because they have nowhere else to go.
July 8, 200619 yr Some people on this board don't know what they are talking about...i can tell that at least half this board has no idea where the new stadium location that is being considered is.....a hand few do but the rest are in the blind cause they don't know how to read maps... the new stadium location is 5 miles (give or take) due west from Dolphin Stadium...how is that turning their back on 60% of the season ticket holders??? i really don't get that....building a stadium in downtown Miami near the AAA would be turning their back to the so-called 60% of the season ticket holders in Broward and Palm Beach. the new site is accesible by all major highways in South Florida and is the only site on the board right now. The city of miami is out of the question even with their new city manager (former Deputy County Manager Pete Hernandez) on board, the team will not negotiate with them....case in point the site everyone wanted in the beginning being next to the AAA is already given out...that is the site of a museum to be built in the next few years. i work right next to the AAA in downtown Miami, the last place u want to build a baseball park is downtown...the traffic would be horrible....i feel bad for Heat fans next season when they try to get downtown for a game next season and there is an event at the new Performing Arts Center...traffic is going to be a nightmare anyhow...hialeah is stadium or bust for now....if you trust for a chance in some politicians and believe what they are saying you would understand
July 8, 200619 yr The new stadium is not only west of PPS, it's also about 5 or 6 miles south of PPS. Also regarding the 60% seaosn ticket holders coming from Broward and Palm Beach, I don't know the source for that number but a couple of years ago it was widely reported that Broward and Miami-Dade were about 40% each and Palm Beach about 12%. Maybe the 60% is an updated number but 40% and 12% doesn't add up to 60%. The fan base breakdown will obviously vary depending on the location of the stadium is. The Heat for example gets 70% of their fans from Miami-Dade and I'm sure the Panthers get about that many from Broward. It's good to read that Miami is out of the question even with the new City Manager as I don't think a small (~400k people) and poor city should be paying for Loria's stadium.
July 10, 200619 yr TSwift Dude! You usually on the money with ur perspectives...You couldn't more off on this one. The Hialeah site will have easier access from the North and the South as well...It only be a little bit more inconvenient if you are coming from Coral Gables or Key Biscayne. If everything goes as should the Marlin's next stadium will be in Hialeah. I applaud the politicos of Hialeah for spearheading this initiative...the kinks are being worked out but it appears that they will be worked out. I hope Dade County can contribute as well. As far as the City of Miami it is unlikely they can develop any type of viable option or have the inclination to do so now. Broward and Palm Beach are not realistic alternatives. The only area that could be a realistic option is Homestead. There we could really start taking about inconvenient. I firmly believe the next home of The Florida Marlins is Hialeah
July 10, 200619 yr Even though Hialeah won't be the ideal site for me, more difficult to get to, it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. That said, with a new city manager ready to come onboard in Miami (and as an ex-asst manager under county manager Burgess) there may be opportunity to reuscitate plans for a downtown/urban ballpark.
July 10, 200619 yr Even though Hialeah won't be the ideal site for me, more difficult to get to, it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. That said, with a new city manager ready to come onboard in Miami (and as an ex-asst manager under county manager Burgess) there may be opportunity to reuscitate plans for a downtown/urban ballpark. with the plans just released on Monday morning for the new Museum Park...any hopes or aspirations of a ballpark being in downtown Miami on the waterfront were dashed. I don't care who the city or county manager is.....
July 10, 200619 yr Even though Hialeah won't be the ideal site for me, more difficult to get to, it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. That said, with a new city manager ready to come onboard in Miami (and as an ex-asst manager under county manager Burgess) there may be opportunity to reuscitate plans for a downtown/urban ballpark. with the plans just released on Monday morning for the new Museum Park...any hopes or aspirations of a ballpark being in downtown Miami on the waterfront were dashed. I don't care who the city or county manager is..... You'll have to show me where I suggested anything about a waterfront ballpark? I know that the city of Miami would in fact like to get back into the stadium locating game. The idea of a stadium being built in Hialeah will be perceived as a black eye for Miami and the PR fallout is driving some people in city hall to try and get a second bite at the apple. Not saying it will happen, or that a new stadium in Hialeah won't come to fruition, but GMVCB wants to see the team renamed the Miami Marlins and thinks the exposure is worth tens of millions of dollars in added tourist revenue annually. Also keep in mind Miami comes back to the table (I'm speaking in the hypothetical) with CDT dollars readily available (the ones lost when the last deal collapsed and more from higher than anticipated tax collections) to close the gap to a manageable number.
July 11, 200619 yr i'd prefer it not to be in hialeah because my dad's told me if it's there, it's too far of a drive for us to go to games often. i just wish they could get somehitng worked out in broward but that's not gonna happen
July 12, 200619 yr it look like hialeah only player for new park in dade miami having their own problem in city hall to worry about ballpark if you catch marlins you need tell your dad that hialeah most likely be marlins new home broward donot want not thing to do new ball park
July 12, 200619 yr Author Yes, I've had these same concerns for a while. Basicly, it boils down like this: No one really believe Hialeah to be a truly viable option other than Hialeah officials, and homers. The Marlins really don't MLB reeeeeeeeeeeeally doesn't either. Same with San Antonio. What the Marlins were hoping to do was play two markets that figured to be so star-struck by a major league team actually having interest in them (San Antonio, Hialeah) off of each other to either to get a super-sweet-heart deal, or get Miami to come back into the picture with a more desireable location. Like most everything that this ownership group has done, it didn't work out; call it the "Loria touch." Really, Hialeah was just a negotiating ploy to get a better offer from elsewhere, but with San Antonio backing out, it doesn't look like Hialeah's willing to fully cooperate. That, and I still don't see the reasoning behind turning your back on 60% of your season ticket-holder base (Palm Beach and Broward) and moving to a location with substantially less disposable income and a generally less safe environment. Now I realize it's the best and only option on the table, but I keep seeing Miami Arena 2.0 with this, if it happens, which I doubt it will. And, for the record, I'd say relocation chances are at an all-time low given what I've heard from my friend in the MLB office. I don't think anyone could have said it better. Deep down inside MLB & Loria do not want this ballpark in Hialeah. Your 100% right about it being a negotiating ploy. Every other team is building their ballparks right in the heart of the city. Look at all the urban renewal going on in this country. Land is so expensive in downtown b/c people are moving back to the cities. Just look at the Pirates new stadium, how beauiful did that look w/ the city in the background. MLB is trying to get teams back in to urban areas. Put a stadium where people work & live.
July 12, 200619 yr i'd prefer it not to be in hialeah because my dad's told me if it's there, it's too far of a drive for us to go to games often. i just wish they could get somehitng worked out in broward but that's not gonna happen if you go to alot of games now then a stadium in hialeah would suit you just fine cause the hialeah parcel is literally about 5 miles or so from where Dolphin Stadium is right now...so if your dad is saying that it is too far then he hasn't really studied the proposed sight
July 12, 200619 yr It's a lot easier to take the turnpike or 95 straight down to the AAA or Pro Player than it would be to try to negotiate I-75 or the Sawgrass, that's just the simple truth. Add to that the stigma that Hialeah carries with it and I think you'll definitely be turning a lot of northern fans away. Perhaps the process will create more, but it's never a good idea to do something that could be an effort to alienate established support for the franchise...put it this way, if Hialeah is "5 minutes" from the stadium and people from there don't come out in force like Broward and Palm Beach do, moving closer to them makes little sense to me. It's the only option on the table, so I understand that this is better than renewing the lease continuously, but no one truly believes this to be a panacea, and if they do, they're obscenely idealistic.
July 12, 200619 yr It's a lot easier to take the turnpike or 95 straight down to the AAA or Pro Player than it would be to try to negotiate I-75 or the Sawgrass, that's just the simple truth. Add to that the stigma that Hialeah carries with it and I think you'll definitely be turning a lot of northern fans away. Perhaps the process will create more, but it's never a good idea to do something that could be an effort to alienate established support for the franchise...put it this way, if Hialeah is "5 minutes" from the stadium and people from there don't come out in force like Broward and Palm Beach do, moving closer to them makes little sense to me. It's the only option on the table, so I understand that this is better than renewing the lease continuously, but no one truly believes this to be a panacea, and if they do, they're obscenely idealistic. Swifty you are contradicting yourself cause the new suggested stadium site would run right next to the Turnpike so to say that it would be easier to take the Turnpike or 95 to downtown (you must be high on something) cause I work downtown and I dread it every single day of my life....there is no where else I would rather be than out of downtown...... And I don't know what "stigma" Hialeah has with it...i was born and raised there and lived there for most of my childhood life....so if there is a "stigma" please enlighten me... And once again if you think this stadium is actually going to be in what eveyrone thinks is Hialeah....you are totally mistaken...just cause it is in the City of Hialeah doesn't mean it is in the run-down areas....the area of land for the proposed stadium is land that was annexed by the city from the county many years ago by former mayor Raul Martinez....this land is so far west that I never understood why Hialeah controlled it but it doesn't really matter to me... finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!!
July 13, 200619 yr ...finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Which has always (the last three years) been the Marlins plan, to open up the south surburban market which they see as the most important to their future. That's why they've been willing to lose fans from north Broward and PBC, believing they will more than make up for any losses with new fans from Homestead, Kendall, Coral Gables, etc.
July 13, 200619 yr ...finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Which has always (the last three years) been the Marlins plan, to open up the south surburban market which they see as the most important to their future. That's why they've been willing to lose fans from north Broward and PBC, believing they will more than make up for any losses with new fans from Homestead, Kendall, Coral Gables, etc. The reason they looked at the OB location first and now at the Hialeah location is because that's where the possible funding is. If Broward or Palm Beach were interested in helping with the stadium as opposed to Miami-Dade then the Marlins would be looking in Broward and Palm Beach and not Hialeah. The location decision is not driven by where the location is, it's driven by where the funding is. The other poster keeps saying the Hialeah location is 5 miles from Dolphin Stadium. That's not so. Dolphin Stadium is on 199th street and 27th avenue. The Hialeah location is roughly on 150th street and 117th avenue. It's not 5 miles away. It's probably about 12 miles.
July 13, 200619 yr It's a lot easier to take the turnpike or 95 straight down to the AAA or Pro Player than it would be to try to negotiate I-75 or the Sawgrass, that's just the simple truth. Add to that the stigma that Hialeah carries with it and I think you'll definitely be turning a lot of northern fans away. Perhaps the process will create more, but it's never a good idea to do something that could be an effort to alienate established support for the franchise...put it this way, if Hialeah is "5 minutes" from the stadium and people from there don't come out in force like Broward and Palm Beach do, moving closer to them makes little sense to me. It's the only option on the table, so I understand that this is better than renewing the lease continuously, but no one truly believes this to be a panacea, and if they do, they're obscenely idealistic. Swifty you are contradicting yourself cause the new suggested stadium site would run right next to the Turnpike so to say that it would be easier to take the Turnpike or 95 to downtown (you must be high on something) cause I work downtown and I dread it every single day of my life....there is no where else I would rather be than out of downtown...... And I don't know what "stigma" Hialeah has with it...i was born and raised there and lived there for most of my childhood life....so if there is a "stigma" please enlighten me... And once again if you think this stadium is actually going to be in what eveyrone thinks is Hialeah....you are totally mistaken...just cause it is in the City of Hialeah doesn't mean it is in the run-down areas....the area of land for the proposed stadium is land that was annexed by the city from the county many years ago by former mayor Raul Martinez....this land is so far west that I never understood why Hialeah controlled it but it doesn't really matter to me... finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Wait, you live in Hialeah and are the biggest proponent of this and one of the select few to actually believe it to be a panacea for the teams ills? Shocking coincidence! Seriously, if you don't know about Hialeah's reputation, maybe you're too close to the forrest to see the trees. c**k-fighting, bad neighborhoods, hispanic gangs, Hialeah's got quite the rep for it's bad neighborhoods. I was not aware that the stadium would be accessable from the Turnpike, and to my knowledge from the last triangle cut out of the site, I thought that 75 provided the only direct access. Put it this way, if Hialeah is just the bustling hot-bed for the future of the Marlins, why do they get "out supported" by a population that has to drive substantially farther?
July 13, 200619 yr It said something to the effect of "this thread epitomizes that this is the slowest night of the year of the year in live sports".
July 13, 200619 yr ...finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Which has always (the last three years) been the Marlins plan, to open up the south surburban market which they see as the most important to their future. That's why they've been willing to lose fans from north Broward and PBC, believing they will more than make up for any losses with new fans from Homestead, Kendall, Coral Gables, etc. The reason they looked at the OB location first and now at the Hialeah location is because that's where the possible funding is. If Broward or Palm Beach were interested in helping with the stadium as opposed to Miami-Dade then the Marlins would be looking in Broward and Palm Beach and not Hialeah. The location decision is not driven by where the location is, it's driven by where the funding is. The other poster keeps saying the Hialeah location is 5 miles from Dolphin Stadium. That's not so. Dolphin Stadium is on 199th street and 27th avenue. The Hialeah location is roughly on 150th street and 117th avenue. It's not 5 miles away. It's probably about 12 miles. You're absolutely right that in the end it's all about the $$$. But three years ago the Marlins spent big bucks researching the market and concluded their best chance at dramatically increasing attendance was by opening up the market south of 836.
July 13, 200619 yr It's a lot easier to take the turnpike or 95 straight down to the AAA or Pro Player than it would be to try to negotiate I-75 or the Sawgrass, that's just the simple truth. Add to that the stigma that Hialeah carries with it and I think you'll definitely be turning a lot of northern fans away. Perhaps the process will create more, but it's never a good idea to do something that could be an effort to alienate established support for the franchise...put it this way, if Hialeah is "5 minutes" from the stadium and people from there don't come out in force like Broward and Palm Beach do, moving closer to them makes little sense to me. It's the only option on the table, so I understand that this is better than renewing the lease continuously, but no one truly believes this to be a panacea, and if they do, they're obscenely idealistic. Swifty you are contradicting yourself cause the new suggested stadium site would run right next to the Turnpike so to say that it would be easier to take the Turnpike or 95 to downtown (you must be high on something) cause I work downtown and I dread it every single day of my life....there is no where else I would rather be than out of downtown...... And I don't know what "stigma" Hialeah has with it...i was born and raised there and lived there for most of my childhood life....so if there is a "stigma" please enlighten me... And once again if you think this stadium is actually going to be in what eveyrone thinks is Hialeah....you are totally mistaken...just cause it is in the City of Hialeah doesn't mean it is in the run-down areas....the area of land for the proposed stadium is land that was annexed by the city from the county many years ago by former mayor Raul Martinez....this land is so far west that I never understood why Hialeah controlled it but it doesn't really matter to me... finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Wait, you live in Hialeah and are the biggest proponent of this and one of the select few to actually believe it to be a panacea for the teams ills? Shocking coincidence! Seriously, if you don't know about Hialeah's reputation, maybe you're too close to the forrest to see the trees. c**k-fighting, bad neighborhoods, hispanic gangs, Hialeah's got quite the rep for it's bad neighborhoods. I was not aware that the stadium would be accessable from the Turnpike, and to my knowledge from the last triangle cut out of the site, I thought that 75 provided the only direct access. Put it this way, if Hialeah is just the bustling hot-bed for the future of the Marlins, why do they get "out supported" by a population that has to drive substantially farther? I totally agree with you TSwift. A born and raised Hialeah guy is telling us that Hialeah has no "stigma" and is an excellent location. I do have to :lol :lol :lol about the "co**fighting" reference though. :lol
July 13, 200619 yr I think that it's more like 4 miles away, southwest. Coming from anywhere in Dade-Broward-Palm Beach it can't possibly mean more than an extra 10 minutes at most. And for many it's all of 5-10 minutes closer. There are some here who I think are confused about what is commomly referred to as the Florida Turnpike, and what is referred to as the Turnpike extension. The proposed site is 5-10 minutes closer for fans from the Kendall area via the turnpike extension. For fans from the North, the proposed site will be accesible via the Turnpike extension, which you pick up right next to the present site, or via I-75. Anyway you look at it, it's no big deal time difference for anyone from North or South. Even from Miami Beach I think it's maybe 2 minutes further away.
July 13, 200619 yr It's a lot easier to take the turnpike or 95 straight down to the AAA or Pro Player than it would be to try to negotiate I-75 or the Sawgrass, that's just the simple truth. Add to that the stigma that Hialeah carries with it and I think you'll definitely be turning a lot of northern fans away. Perhaps the process will create more, but it's never a good idea to do something that could be an effort to alienate established support for the franchise...put it this way, if Hialeah is "5 minutes" from the stadium and people from there don't come out in force like Broward and Palm Beach do, moving closer to them makes little sense to me. It's the only option on the table, so I understand that this is better than renewing the lease continuously, but no one truly believes this to be a panacea, and if they do, they're obscenely idealistic. Swifty you are contradicting yourself cause the new suggested stadium site would run right next to the Turnpike so to say that it would be easier to take the Turnpike or 95 to downtown (you must be high on something) cause I work downtown and I dread it every single day of my life....there is no where else I would rather be than out of downtown...... And I don't know what "stigma" Hialeah has with it...i was born and raised there and lived there for most of my childhood life....so if there is a "stigma" please enlighten me... And once again if you think this stadium is actually going to be in what eveyrone thinks is Hialeah....you are totally mistaken...just cause it is in the City of Hialeah doesn't mean it is in the run-down areas....the area of land for the proposed stadium is land that was annexed by the city from the county many years ago by former mayor Raul Martinez....this land is so far west that I never understood why Hialeah controlled it but it doesn't really matter to me... finally as someone living in Kendall now, I would love to see this stadium built where they are proposing cause it would be a straight shot up the turnpike for me...but yeah that is me being selfish!!! Wait, you live in Hialeah and are the biggest proponent of this and one of the select few to actually believe it to be a panacea for the teams ills? Shocking coincidence! Seriously, if you don't know about Hialeah's reputation, maybe you're too close to the forrest to see the trees. c**k-fighting, bad neighborhoods, hispanic gangs, Hialeah's got quite the rep for it's bad neighborhoods. I was not aware that the stadium would be accessable from the Turnpike, and to my knowledge from the last triangle cut out of the site, I thought that 75 provided the only direct access. Put it this way, if Hialeah is just the bustling hot-bed for the future of the Marlins, why do they get "out supported" by a population that has to drive substantially farther? As stated at the end of my post, I don't live in Hialeah any longer I know live in Kendall and the reason I'm such a proponent to this site is cause it is the ONLY VIABLE site on the table...so it needs the support of all marlins fans in order for it to work. as for your accusation of c****fighting and all that other bull crap as I stated I won't like that does happen in the scrums of Hialeah, but the proposed site of the stadium is no where near the scrums of Hialeah And as 2003 said, I believe that the team might be willing to mortage some Palm Beach fans in order to acquire more fans in South Miami-Dade county....
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.