October 1, 200619 yr http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15652595.htm Though Jeffrey Loria hasn't set a 2007 payroll, president David Samson said it's a ''safe assumption'' it will be in the range of this season's $18.7 million. We can now look forward to no CF, no bullpen, no bench and no DTrain or Miguel or both. The good news, for the Loria fans, is that next year he'll once again kick every other owner's ass in making money.
October 1, 200619 yr and Loria saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to geico... :plain
October 1, 200619 yr So D-Train is making about 7 million next year right? If true, then today might be the last day I see D-Train in a Marlins uni ever. Can we please have some stability in this organization? :banghead . Being a Marlin fan is like being in an abusive relationship. No matter how much they hurt us we always come back for more :boo-woo .
October 1, 200619 yr LOL at the situation *Start choking after laughing so hard* Wow $18M payroll max, everyone in the marlins locker room is going to have a strike if they don't get a fair check! Start working with your magic Beinfest. As the Loria plan of the destruction of the Florida Marlins continue!
October 1, 200619 yr we NEED a league min. salery...something along the lines of you must spend equal to your rev sharing earnings or donate the balence to charity
October 1, 200619 yr MLB needs to step up and put this guy in jail. He is stealing money :mad . They have no intention of doing anything even remotely like that. See today's story in Stadium section. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15652595.htm Though Jeffrey Loria hasn't set a 2007 payroll, president David Samson said it's a ''safe assumption'' it will be in the range of this season's $18.7 million. We can now look forward to no CF, no bullpen, no bench and no DTrain or Miguel or both. The good news, for the Loria fans, is that next year he'll once again kick every other owner's ass in making money. Here's the whole Marlins related part of the article: Posted on Sun, Oct. 01, 2006 SOUTH FLORIDA SPORTS BUZZ Needs significant for Marlins, but money still limited By BARRY JACKSON bjackson@MiamiHerald.com Marlins chatter: ? Don't expect the Marlins to splurge on high-priced free agents, even though the team knows it needs bullpen and center-field help. Though Jeffrey Loria hasn't set a 2007 payroll, president David Samson said it's a ''safe assumption'' it will be in the range of this season's $18.7 million. Here's one problem: Even though the Marlins will shed some salary (including Brian Moehler's $1.5 million and ex-Marlin Ivan Rodriguez's $2 million), retaining Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis likely will cost $6-7 million more than this year . Cabrera, earning $472,000, is eligible for arbitration for the first time and figures to command at least $5 million. Though Loria prefers to keep Willis and Cabrera, Willis could be dealt. He's entering his second of three arbitration-eligible offseasons and figures to jump from $4.3 million to more than $6 million. ? Barring a change in financial philosophy, the Marlins aren't in position to make serious bids for the top free agent center fielders: ex-Marlin Juan Pierre (Cubs), Gary Matthews Jr. (Texas) and Torii Hunter (free if Minnesota declines a $12 million option). Also available: San Diego's Dave Roberts, St. Louis' Jim Edmonds, the Dodgers' Kenny Lofton and the Giants' Steve Finley. A more realistic scenario would be trading pitching (perhaps Willis or prospects) for a center fielder. One scout said logical options for Florida to target would be the Yankees' Melky Cabrera, the Mets' Lastings Milledge and Tampa Bay's Carl Crawford. ? The bullpen is loaded with questions, excluding Taylor Tankersley. Potential future closer Carlos Martinez (elbow surgery) won't be ready for the start of next season. A weak free agent class includes Jos? Mesa, Roberto Hernandez, Dan Kolb and injured Eric Gagne. ? Tampa Bay's Don Zimmer, on the prospect of friend Joe Girardi being fired: ``It's crazy, absolutely shocking.'' ? Playing time will factor into the decision of impending free agent Wes Helms, who was baseball's best hitter since the All-Star break (.383) and a bargain at $800,000. A full-time job elsewhere would seem hard to pass up. ? Mets and ex-Marlins outfielder Cliff Floyd, on the Marlins' small crowds: ``It [angers] me. It's crazy. It's the same story every year. You have a great product and players busting their butts. These kids deserve more than 4,000 fans a night.'' ? How anonymous were some of these players? For the first time in team history, not a single Marlin used an alias in hotels. But at least they developed a following: Mike Jacobs, 25 -- who often is carded in bars here -- got fan mail from prison. And a fan in Japan, unsolicited, drew portraits of Jeremy Hermida and Josh Johnson and mailed them to them.
October 1, 200619 yr Ok that last one doesn't sound so bad, but having a payroll at about 18 million? That will not get it done. Even if they trade D-Train (which i pray to God doesn't happen) and they get lets say, Carl Crawford, the payroll is bound to go up because he is making 2.6 million this year.
October 1, 200619 yr http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15652595.htm Though Jeffrey Loria hasn't set a 2007 payroll, president David Samson said it's a ''safe assumption'' it will be in the range of this season's $18.7 million. We can now look forward to no CF, no bullpen, no bench and no DTrain or Miguel or both. The good news, for the Loria fans, is that next year he'll once again kick every other owner's ass in making money. It is even better, in the related article the headline is "Marlins owner fully committed". Makes you think he is committed to the community, the team, the effort to build this franchise up again. NOPE-misleading headline-here is what he is committed to as per Samson-''Jeffrey will never sell this team,'' Marlins president David Samson reiterated last week. ``Nothing and no one could ever change his mind about that.'' In a related article in the paper ''Jeffrey has not taken one dollar out of the team this year. He has not put one dollar into the team this year,'' (my bolding) Samson reiterated last week. ``And that will stay the same next year.'' So, in summary, Jeff will not put one single dollar into the team this year or next. Thus, while a few dollars drop off for old contracts, the extra 4.5 mill. that will be due Cabrera and the extra 3 mill for D-Train tells us what? Bye Bye. We have a minor league owner and an abrasive step son President. Samson starts running his mouth about accounting concepts etc, but once you get in to that conversation, you can't just simplify it like Samson does with his EBITA (earning before interest, taxes and amortization). If you let him use that to support Loria, as some of you do, then you open up a huge door about tax benefits and deductions versus accounting concepts which differ from tax and cash flow concepts. Then you get into the amortization of players value, which is a unique concept for a sports franchise under differing accounting standards and tax regulations, as well as losses versus increasing value for the assets you own. So, make your books lose money but do not mention the increase in value of tens of millions of dollars. It is as if Loria invests 10 million in art work and then 3 years later the art work is worth 100 million. Then he comes to you and asks for food stamps because he can show you that he made no money for three years because he is losing money supporting his step sons attempt in the iron man competition-oh never mind that he is $90 million wealthier on paper. You can say the fans do not show up, but that is a combination of fickle fans as well as a direct result of an almost unprecedented 3 owners in a 5 year period. And Cliff Floyd can keep his useless comments to himself if he wants to look at this with blinders on.
October 1, 200619 yr This is just friggin' great! Our team will always be like a revolving door of good players coming in and leaving once they get too expensive because of the two cheap crooks that run this franchise. EBITA my ass! go kill yourself loria! :mad
October 1, 200619 yr http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15652595.htm Though Jeffrey Loria hasn't set a 2007 payroll, president David Samson said it's a ''safe assumption'' it will be in the range of this season's $18.7 million. We can now look forward to no CF, no bullpen, no bench and no DTrain or Miguel or both. The good news, for the Loria fans, is that next year he'll once again kick every other owner's ass in making money. Both of them will be back...
October 1, 200619 yr I'll believe it when it happens. If they wanted to dump money and get max value for DTrain, there would've been no reason not to do it last year. Last season he was a 22-game winner. And he had the highest salary of anyone on the team. It's not like they were intending to contend this year either, so why keep him if not to keep him long term and build. Getting rid of either guy would only happen with an insane offer from outside. Not from within. And even then, I can't imagine them moving Miguel.
October 1, 200619 yr I'll believe it when it happens. If they wanted to dump money and get max value for DTrain, there would've been no reason not to do it last year. Last season he was a 22-game winner. And he had the highest salary of anyone on the team. It's not like they were intending to contend this year either, so why keep him if not to keep him long term and build. Getting rid of either guy would only happen with an insane offer from outside. Not from within. And even then, I can't imagine them moving Miguel. Whether Miguel and/or D-train are kept or moved is subject to opinion. But anyone on either side of this matter should be hard pressed to find it unimaginable that they would ever move Miguel. With these guys, it is so possible, and it would be for less than an insane offer-which is defined as for what or whom?
October 1, 200619 yr something comparable to how we did the deal for JP to get Nolasco, Mitre, & co or better yet, the Beckett/Lowell for Sanchez & Ramirez deal...except scaled of course for how much more valuable DTrain or Cabrera are. Which at bare minimum, should include a decent young player/prospect at the same position, 2-4 decent relievers, and a real live center-fielder. But anyway, it's unimaginable just because they haven't done it already. If they were going to do it, there was no reason for them not to have done it this season. Other than they meant what they said (hasp) that they intend to build the new team around them.
October 1, 200619 yr Lets wait and see what actually happens, there is no direct quote from Loria and it came from Samson's month. Trading Willis and especially Cabrera is a major setback in the development of the ballclub in the short and long run, on and off the field. Some of you need to calm down.
October 1, 200619 yr something comparable to how we did the deal for JP to get Nolasco, Mitre, & co or better yet, the Beckett/Lowell for Sanchez & Ramirez deal...except scaled of course for how much more valuable DTrain or Cabrera are. Which at bare minimum, should include a decent young player/prospect at the same position, 2-4 decent relievers, and a real live center-fielder. But anyway, it's unimaginable just because they haven't done it already. If they were going to do it, there was no reason for them not to have done it this season. Other than they meant what they said (hasp) that they intend to build the new team around them. Except that this coming year the two combined will cost an additional 6-7 million. Miguel going from 475,000 to about 5 mill and D going up to about 7 mill increasing the incentive to move them. As far as what they say, means nada. What does (hasp) mean?
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