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Willis, Cabrera may command a combined 12.5 mill

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Keeping players on one-year contracts can be a good strategy. It can also be a bad one. I think our recent history with Beinfest, who is said to have set this, suggests it has been a good one.

 

Disagree 100%. We'd not be having this major issue with Cabrera and Dontrelle if he did is job post 2003 or 2004 with 4-5 year arbitration buyouts. We'd also have potentially been able to keep Beckett for the 2006 season at a very low salary or had AJ under contract where we could have traded him with a club option and not just let him go.

 

Terrible strategy. And let's hope it doesn't happen again. He needs to buyout Hanley sooner rather than later.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

 

Uh, Cabrera and Willis. And it's not about leaving free agency, it's about saving money which we clearly have not done with past players, and especially now with the two big ones.

Buy out Hanley? You realize we wouldn't have Hanley, or Anibal Sanchez, if we hadn't "Let Beckett go".

 

I agree to lockup Cabrera, but I think with any pitcher year-to-year is just fine until their final arbitration year.

 

Irrelevant how we acquired the player. Buying out your stars is a practice this franchise needs to adopt. As for pitching, I agree the youngsters don't need deals right now, but Dontrelle has pitched 160-197-197-236-223 innings his last 5 professional seasons with not a single concern with arm strength or stamina. He's just as likely as any pitcher in baseball to blow out his arm, despite his 'mechanics.' He is as safe as they come for a 4/$40ish contract (even if the last year is a club option,), which saves the Marlins money versus going to arbitration the next few seasons (plus signing him post year 6). Like I said earlier concerning trading him, he becomes more valuable to other franchises with a contract because he doesn't have impending free agrency and they don't have to negotiate a deal with him.

 

Cabrera, Dontrelle, Hanley. Those are the only 3 guys in the entire organization that need multi-year contracts right now. This franchise can easily accomodate each of them, and still have a payroll under $25 million for 2007 if they still want to lowball the rest of the team.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

 

Uh, Cabrera and Willis. And it's not about leaving free agency, it's about saving money which we clearly have not done with past players, and especially now with the two big ones.

Buy out Hanley? You realize we wouldn't have Hanley, or Anibal Sanchez, if we hadn't "Let Beckett go".

 

I agree to lockup Cabrera, but I think with any pitcher year-to-year is just fine until their final arbitration year.

 

Irrelevant how we acquired the player. Buying out your stars is a practice this franchise needs to adopt. As for pitching, I agree the youngsters don't need deals right now, but Dontrelle has pitched 160-197-197-236-223 innings his last 5 professional seasons with not a single concern with arm strength or stamina. He's just as likely as any pitcher in baseball to blow out his arm, despite his 'mechanics.' He is as safe as they come for a 4/$40ish contract (even if the last year is a club option,), which saves the Marlins money versus going to arbitration the next few seasons (plus signing him post year 6). Like I said earlier concerning trading him, he becomes more valuable to other franchises with a contract because he doesn't have impending free agrency and they don't have to negotiate a deal with him.

 

Cabrera, Dontrelle, Hanley. Those are the only 3 guys in the entire organization that need multi-year contracts right now. This franchise can easily accomodate each of them, and still have a payroll under $25 million for 2007 if they still want to lowball the rest of the team.

 

Why the hell would we lock up Hanley three years before he'll even reach arbitration? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

 

Uh, Cabrera and Willis. And it's not about leaving free agency, it's about saving money which we clearly have not done with past players, and especially now with the two big ones.

Buy out Hanley? You realize we wouldn't have Hanley, or Anibal Sanchez, if we hadn't "Let Beckett go".

 

I agree to lockup Cabrera, but I think with any pitcher year-to-year is just fine until their final arbitration year.

 

Irrelevant how we acquired the player. Buying out your stars is a practice this franchise needs to adopt. As for pitching, I agree the youngsters don't need deals right now, but Dontrelle has pitched 160-197-197-236-223 innings his last 5 professional seasons with not a single concern with arm strength or stamina. He's just as likely as any pitcher in baseball to blow out his arm, despite his 'mechanics.' He is as safe as they come for a 4/$40ish contract (even if the last year is a club option,), which saves the Marlins money versus going to arbitration the next few seasons (plus signing him post year 6). Like I said earlier concerning trading him, he becomes more valuable to other franchises with a contract because he doesn't have impending free agrency and they don't have to negotiate a deal with him.

 

Cabrera, Dontrelle, Hanley. Those are the only 3 guys in the entire organization that need multi-year contracts right now. This franchise can easily accomodate each of them, and still have a payroll under $25 million for 2007 if they still want to lowball the rest of the team.

 

Why the hell would we lock up Hanley three years before he'll even reach arbitration? That makes absolutely zero sense.

 

Pay a little more now to save a lot later.

 

If Hanley just keeps doing the same, forget about even improving, we're looking at Jeter money in 2-3 years. There's no way the team can afford to keep him and Cabrera and most of the pitching if they just keep going year to year.

 

Unless Hanley pulls a complete surprise, he'd be amenable to this "discount" deal (the 7/$30 or whatever) given the amount of money he'd make in the short term and his potential for "re-earning" in the long-run as he'd be a free agent in his prime, and only lose one free agent year. That type of deal makes sense for the player and organization.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

 

Uh, Cabrera and Willis. And it's not about leaving free agency, it's about saving money which we clearly have not done with past players, and especially now with the two big ones.

Buy out Hanley? You realize we wouldn't have Hanley, or Anibal Sanchez, if we hadn't "Let Beckett go".

 

I agree to lockup Cabrera, but I think with any pitcher year-to-year is just fine until their final arbitration year.

 

Irrelevant how we acquired the player. Buying out your stars is a practice this franchise needs to adopt. As for pitching, I agree the youngsters don't need deals right now, but Dontrelle has pitched 160-197-197-236-223 innings his last 5 professional seasons with not a single concern with arm strength or stamina. He's just as likely as any pitcher in baseball to blow out his arm, despite his 'mechanics.' He is as safe as they come for a 4/$40ish contract (even if the last year is a club option,), which saves the Marlins money versus going to arbitration the next few seasons (plus signing him post year 6). Like I said earlier concerning trading him, he becomes more valuable to other franchises with a contract because he doesn't have impending free agrency and they don't have to negotiate a deal with him.

 

Cabrera, Dontrelle, Hanley. Those are the only 3 guys in the entire organization that need multi-year contracts right now. This franchise can easily accomodate each of them, and still have a payroll under $25 million for 2007 if they still want to lowball the rest of the team.

 

Why the hell would we lock up Hanley three years before he'll even reach arbitration? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Have you bothered to read any of the thread?.... I think Lou had the contract somewhere for what a 5 or7 year deal would look like.

Keeping players on one-year contracts can be a good strategy. It can also be a bad one. I think our recent history with Beinfest, who is said to have set this, suggests it has been a good one.

 

Disagree 100%. We'd not be having this major issue with Cabrera and Dontrelle if he did is job post 2003 or 2004 with 4-5 year arbitration buyouts. We'd also have potentially been able to keep Beckett for the 2006 season at a very low salary or had AJ under contract where we could have traded him with a club option and not just let him go.

 

Terrible strategy. And let's hope it doesn't happen again. He needs to buyout Hanley sooner rather than later.

Not sure if you're disagreeing with the strategy as much as the relunctance to offer exceptions to certain players. If the former, I'd argue that we've rarely been forced to pay unwarranted raises or seen a player of significant value to the club leave to free agency after their arbitration period lapsed. Burnett and Lee are the only ones that come to mind. If the latter, holding the stars accountable to the same procedures helps enforce the system.

I think now you're making your thoughts clearer. In the case of the Marlins I agree with their strategy of going year to year. They just don't have the financial luxury to go around throwing 5 year deals around to anyone short of a superstar. So I disagree about the latter. I think for extraordinary players exceptions should be made and going long-term saves the team money and enhances the value of the franchise. I'd offer Dontrelle and Cabrera 5 year deals. No to Hanley. He had a great rookie year, but it's only been one year. Your point about holding the stars accountable to enforce the system would apply to Hanley, but Cabrera and Willis are in a different league.

it boggles the mind that this owner was allowed to buy the Marlins on credit of course :) our payroll is by far is the lowest in the game and even teams in comparable circumstances spend significantly more than this ownership group . I would love for the Marlins ownership to have open its books and lets see really how much money they are making

 

 

The Marlins went all they way to the bare walls because $40 million would not have made for a better team. This ownership group has spent the most on players of any Marlins ownership group, and frankly I doubt there will be any great aversion to a larger payroll this coming season.

 

Olivo, Helms, Willis, and Cabrera will be back. The veteran bullpen pitchers will not (and will not be missed). Expect the team to try another Marlins closer reclaimation project, and another bullpen arm. More of the prospects will be up in the pen and I wouldn't be suprised when Nalasco is traded for a CF.

 

Helms recent statements suggest he is gone and lets be honest , helms came very cheap this year and while i dont think anyone is going to be throwing 10 million dollars his way it is highly unlikely the marlins will give him the raise in pay necessary to keep him . I did not have any objections in gutting the team to the bare bones to completely rebuild but the fact that we are talking whether the Marlins ownership can pony up the money to keep Miggy and Willis and still have a payroll 25% less than the second to last team in baseball is disturbing especially in light of the fact that they get a 30 million dollars mlb welfare check from mlb . yes we all know they have a horrible lease and stadium , a poor attendance but last time i check they do charge to enter the stadium and most of the few people i see at the games are in the more expensive seats , they do have some revenue streams , local tv , local radio , a slice of national tv , merchandise sales etc , i dont think it is too much to expect even the Marlins to be in the position to keep Willis and Miggy for at least the next two years given the fact 80% of the teams starters will be paid cheaply for the next two years ................as to the baseball moves I would support dealing Nolasco for a cf and I wouldnt mind seeing Herges back (never thought i would say that) and would mind Moehler at discounted price as mop up men . As to the closer i think the Tank can close but I wouldnt have any objections to taking a flyer on as you state another reclaimation prject closer we have had some success doing that over the last few years

 

 

it boggles the mind that this owner was allowed to buy the Marlins on credit of course :) our payroll is by far is the lowest in the game and even teams in comparable circumstances spend significantly more than this ownership group . I would love for the Marlins ownership to have open its books and lets see really how much money they are making

 

There is no team in baseball in "comparable circumstances", none, zero, nada, zilch. Oakland isn't even close and they are the most comparable.

 

 

As for Nolasco, I'm willing to continue the faith and believe that he had a pretty good rookie year, it's just that three other rookies had extraordinary years. No doubt he ran out of gas first, perhaps he's best suited for the bullpen, but I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. Anytime you have a 23 year old rookie come in and throw 140+ innings and have an era under five there's potential there. Either Marlins will exploit it another team will.

 

On the otherhand (oh, PBC will just love this) for the right talent he is correctly earmarked as the first of the starting pitchers you'd want to trade, if starting pitching was the key to a deal that profits the Fish.

 

 

There are other low revenue teams in mlb i would agree that the Marlins have the lowest revenue streams in baseball but even using the income figures you posted for the Marlins , mlb welfare check , local tv , local radio ,slice of national tv , merchandise sales , and even with poor attendance it seems that payroll around 35-40 millions dollars , which would be enough to keep the core of the current team in tact for 2 years , is not an unreasonable expectation and the Marlins ownership still should make a profit .

*puts on flame retardant suit*

 

I love D-Train as much as anymarlins fan, but the future of this organization is far more important, and we have "new faces". Hanley, Uggla and Cabs(even though hes a vet) for the franchise.

 

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

We also have Tank but if he does get traded we better get a package in return

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

We also have Tank but if he does get traded we better get a package in return

why would we trade tank? that doesn't make any sense.

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

We also have Tank but if he does get traded we better get a package in return

why would we trade tank? that doesn't make any sense.

he never said to trade Tank

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

We also have Tank but if he does get traded we better get a package in return

why would we trade tank? that doesn't make any sense.

He as in Willis

it boggles the mind that this owner was allowed to buy the Marlins on credit of course :) our payroll is by far is the lowest in the game and even teams in comparable circumstances spend significantly more than this ownership group . I would love for the Marlins ownership to have open its books and lets see really how much money they are making

 

 

The Marlins went all they way to the bare walls because $40 million would not have made for a better team. This ownership group has spent the most on players of any Marlins ownership group, and frankly I doubt there will be any great aversion to a larger payroll this coming season.

 

Olivo, Helms, Willis, and Cabrera will be back. The veteran bullpen pitchers will not (and will not be missed). Expect the team to try another Marlins closer reclaimation project, and another bullpen arm. More of the prospects will be up in the pen and I wouldn't be suprised when Nalasco is traded for a CF.

 

Helms recent statements suggest he is gone and lets be honest , helms came very cheap this year and while i dont think anyone is going to be throwing 10 million dollars his way it is highly unlikely the marlins will give him the raise in pay necessary to keep him . I did not have any objections in gutting the team to the bare bones to completely rebuild but the fact that we are talking whether the Marlins ownership can pony up the money to keep Miggy and Willis and still have a payroll 25% less than the second to last team in baseball is disturbing especially in light of the fact that they get a 30 million dollars mlb welfare check from mlb . yes we all know they have a horrible lease and stadium , a poor attendance but last time i check they do charge to enter the stadium and most of the few people i see at the games are in the more expensive seats , they do have some revenue streams , local tv , local radio , a slice of national tv , merchandise sales etc , i dont think it is too much to expect even the Marlins to be in the position to keep Willis and Miggy for at least the next two years given the fact 80% of the teams starters will be paid cheaply for the next two years ................as to the baseball moves I would support dealing Nolasco for a cf and I wouldnt mind seeing Herges back (never thought i would say that) and would mind Moehler at discounted price as mop up men . As to the closer i think the Tank can close but I wouldnt have any objections to taking a flyer on as you state another reclaimation prject closer we have had some success doing that over the last few years

 

 

it boggles the mind that this owner was allowed to buy the Marlins on credit of course :) our payroll is by far is the lowest in the game and even teams in comparable circumstances spend significantly more than this ownership group . I would love for the Marlins ownership to have open its books and lets see really how much money they are making

 

There is no team in baseball in "comparable circumstances", none, zero, nada, zilch. Oakland isn't even close and they are the most comparable.

 

 

As for Nolasco, I'm willing to continue the faith and believe that he had a pretty good rookie year, it's just that three other rookies had extraordinary years. No doubt he ran out of gas first, perhaps he's best suited for the bullpen, but I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. Anytime you have a 23 year old rookie come in and throw 140+ innings and have an era under five there's potential there. Either Marlins will exploit it another team will.

 

On the otherhand (oh, PBC will just love this) for the right talent he is correctly earmarked as the first of the starting pitchers you'd want to trade, if starting pitching was the key to a deal that profits the Fish.

 

 

There are other low revenue teams in mlb i would agree that the Marlins have the lowest revenue streams in baseball but even using the income figures you posted for the Marlins , mlb welfare check , local tv , local radio ,slice of national tv , merchandise sales , and even with poor attendance it seems that payroll around 35-40 millions dollars , which would be enough to keep the core of the current team in tact for 2 years , is not an unreasonable expectation and the Marlins ownership still should make a profit .

And this is based on exactly what? What study of the games' economics have you done? As fans, we are prone to not acknowledging of anything other than gameday revenues and [25-man roster] payroll expenses.

I mean, sure, it's pretty obvious that the Marlins aren't going to fold, they're one of 30 teams in a league said to be on solid ground, but because they belong to such exclusive company and are protected from going bankrupt, doesn't mean they're doing well by themselves.

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

What's the difference if its Stl, they're not in our division. I find it amazing this team has developed so rapidly we're going to be in contention from opening day next year we might even take the east ;) . I also think that Willis needs to be moved its apparent our budget isn't going up, we already have 1 stud LHP in our rotation and one in our BP that will be our closer, both will only get better. The return we will get for Willis will set us up for the next 6+ years.

 

Any team could use someone of Willis stature on their staff.

 

The cards have a two young ML pitchers in Reyes and Wainright, either of them would look good in teal, Rasmus has all the tools and will be a stud for years to come, and Bryan Anderson solves our catching problem for the future.

 

I would even consider dealing him to the Yankees for the likes of Tabata, Hughes, and Melky Cabrera. I was reading Cabreras scouting report from '04 and he has the arm and instincts to play CF, and hes only 22 and hes younger than Hermida, He would make a great #1 or #2 hitter, and hes only going to get better. This was his line this year .280/.360/.391, 56BB/59SO, 12SB/5CS, 7HR, 50 RBI. Next year this is what id like to think Melky will put up

.285+avg .365OBP 400SLG, 15-20SB/6CS 12-15HR. Power is the last tool to develop he already has great plate discipline and sterling defense, i think he could be a fixture on this team for a long time Also the yankee OF is crowded with Matsui locked up till 09, Damon till 09 and Abreu till '08, using Melky as a 4th OF would be a waste of his talent.

 

Tabata is only 17 and projects to be a corner OF, possibly by late '07 he will get a cup of coffee and could take over for Willingham by '08/09 depending on his development.

 

Hughes is Hughes, i wouldn't deal someone like D with out getting a stud pitching prospect back, thats exactly what Hughes is.

 

Anyways D is only going to get more $$$, and with the our inability to raise payroll he should be dealt and set up this team for the future. Also if we did go the hypothetical Yankee route i would expect we heavily draft the C position in the '07 draft its going to be the deeper draft than '03.

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

What's the difference if its Stl, they're not in our division. I find it amazing this team has developed so rapidly we're going to be in contention from opening day next year we might even take the east ;) . I also think that Willis needs to be moved its apparent our budget isn't going up, we already have 1 stud LHP in our rotation and one in our BP that will be our closer, both will only get better. The return we will get for Willis will set us up for the next 6+ years.

 

Any team could use someone of Willis stature on their staff.

 

The cards have a two young ML pitchers in Reyes and Wainright, either of them would look good in teal, Rasmus has all the tools and will be a stud for years to come, and Bryan Anderson solves our catching problem for the future.

 

I would even consider dealing him to the Yankees for the likes of Tabata, Hughes, and Melky Cabrera. I was reading Cabreras scouting report from '04 and he has the arm and instincts to play CF, and hes only 22 and hes younger than Hermida, He would make a great #1 or #2 hitter, and hes only going to get better. This was his line this year .280/.360/.391, 56BB/59SO, 12SB/5CS, 7HR, 50 RBI. Next year this is what id like to think Melky will put up

.285+avg .365OBP 400SLG, 15-20SB/6CS 12-15HR. Power is the last tool to develop he already has great plate discipline and sterling defense, i think he could be a fixture on this team for a long time Also the yankee OF is crowded with Matsui locked up till 09, Damon till 09 and Abreu till '08, using Melky as a 4th OF would be a waste of his talent.

 

Tabata is only 17 and projects to be a corner OF, possibly by late '07 he will get a cup of coffee and could take over for Willingham by '08/09 depending on his development.

 

Hughes is Hughes, i wouldn't deal someone like D with out getting a stud pitching prospect back, thats exactly what Hughes is.

 

Anyways D is only going to get more $$$, and with the our inability to raise payroll he should be dealt and set up this team for the future. Also if we did go the hypothetical Yankee route i would expect we heavily draft the C position in the '07 draft its going to be the deeper draft than '03.

 

 

No way the yankees give up Tabata, Hughes and Melky for him. You are insane to think they will give up that much for willis. I would love Hughes but he is the top rated pitching prospect in baseball right now (partly because of hype admittedly but he has been good too). Tabata is top 25 and climbing because of his age. They arent moving Melky either as they see him in the plans long term. Plus Melky is not a good CF, his routes are horrible

I would deal D-train to the Cards for Wainwright/Reyes + Rasmus + Bryan Anderson and set up the future of this organization for the next six years. we already have 1 stud LHP (olsen) and Reyes/Wainright only bolster our BP/SP, Anderson could be ready to go asap and Rasmus would be ready by late '07. Setting us up for our target goal. i think Hermedia is going to have a great year next year, and the team as a whole is going to improve and only get better.

 

ugh.... trade him to AZ, LA, or LAA if we move him

What's the difference if its Stl, they're not in our division.

Because the teams I listed have better prospects.

 

And the Yankees would never trade Tabata, and my understanding is Hughes is off limits too

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