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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

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The Clips and Nets did have a semi-serious discussion about a two-for-two swap ? Shaun Livingston/Corey Maggette for Marcus Williams/Vince Carter ? but the patient died on the table about a week ago. Here?s the thing: We?re told it?s entirely possible that they could revisit it before the deadline ? or perhaps some other permutation -- if this thing starts to go sideways again. http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/index.ssf?..._01.html#229287

 

The Grizzlies apparently are asking for at least two of three from among Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich. If that doesn't change, there will be no deal of Pau Gasol for the Bulls. I don't believe they'd give up two of the three. They'd like to keep all three, but might have to give up one. It will probably come down to the trading deadline, and if the Grizzlies don't have a better deal, then maybe the Bulls do it without disturbing their main core, though I doubt that. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

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I hope they just throw everything at Gasol that doesnt involve Gordon, Deng or Hinrich.

 

Peices they can move:

 

*PJ Brown (8 mil expiring contract)

*Andres Nocioni

*Tyrus Thomas

*Chris Duhon

*Thabo Sefolosha

*2007 Knicks 1st round pick

*2007 Golden State 2nd round pick

*2007 Nuggets 2nd round pick

 

 

I really think we'll be able to find the right combo out of that to get Gasol. Not getting my hopes up but man thatd be nice.

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I really think the Bulls would regret not including that pick in the trade. A combo of Nocioni, Gordon, and the pick probably gets it locked in. I think that is what Memphis is holding out for. Would the Bulls also do Nocioni, Gordon, Brown, and the pick for Gasol and Mike Miller(trade works)? It would kill there summer 07 hopes, but does it matter? Wouldnt they sign Gasol to a big contract if they had the chance anyway? Miller would replace Nocioni too.

 

But here is why I think they shouldnt hold out over that pick. Right now if they did the swap with the Knicks, they would get the 11th pick. Yes its a deep draft, but the 11th pick is nothing special, even in deep drafts. The Bulls best bet would be a young player who would end up riding the pine anyway right? Shades of the Pistons and Darko?

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

 

On Edit:

http://www.insidehoops.com/curry-trade-knicks-100405.shtml

 

As I said, they can switch picks this year (which would not do Memphis any good) along with this year and '09's 2nd rounders.

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

I dont understand.. trading out of the #1 spot?

 

But i did mis-speak.. Bulls have the right to switch 1st rounders, like you said.. the other two 2nd round picks came from Denver.. one is Denvers, the other is Golden States, i think..

 

 

And 79, thats your opinion.. we shall see.

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

I dont understand.. trading out of the #1 spot?

 

But i did mis-speak.. Bulls have the right to switch 1st rounders, like you said.. the other two 2nd round picks came from Denver.. one is Denvers, the other is Golden States, i think..

 

 

And 79, thats your opinion.. we shall see.

 

 

Memphis has the worst record in the NBA, so they would likely get the #1 pick. Even assuming they get one of the top 3 picks, all that trading for the Bull's right to swap picks would get them is a chance to trade down for a worse pick. The option of trading picks does NOTHING for Memphis. Completely worthless to any team that finishes worse than the Knicks.

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

I dont understand.. trading out of the #1 spot?

 

But i did mis-speak.. Bulls have the right to switch 1st rounders, like you said.. the other two 2nd round picks came from Denver.. one is Denvers, the other is Golden States, i think..

 

 

And 79, thats your opinion.. we shall see.

 

 

Memphis has the worst record in the NBA, so they would likely get the #1 pick. Even assuming they get one of the top 3 picks, all that trading for the Bull's right to swap picks would get them is a chance to trade down for a worse pick. The option of trading picks does NOTHING for Memphis. Completely worthless to any team that finishes worse than the Knicks.

 

 

I dont think that the right to swap picks gets transferred over to Memphis' pick which is independant of the Bulls pick. The Grizzlies can acquire the Bulls pick, which will be in the 20s, and also acquire the right the Bulls currently own to swap picks with the Knicks. That would give the Grizzlies two first round picks, one of which would ultimately end up being the Knicks pick. Not sure if that is what is being confused right now.

 

And Iowa, I think he will have to end up parting with two of the 4. But who knows. I was totally wrong on the Sixers. Isnt Gordon his least favorite of the 3(Deng, Hinrich, Gordon)? Deng and Hinrich are much more stable players so I think adding Gasol and Miller with them would be great.

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

I dont understand.. trading out of the #1 spot?

 

But i did mis-speak.. Bulls have the right to switch 1st rounders, like you said.. the other two 2nd round picks came from Denver.. one is Denvers, the other is Golden States, i think..

 

 

And 79, thats your opinion.. we shall see.

 

 

Memphis has the worst record in the NBA, so they would likely get the #1 pick. Even assuming they get one of the top 3 picks, all that trading for the Bull's right to swap picks would get them is a chance to trade down for a worse pick. The option of trading picks does NOTHING for Memphis. Completely worthless to any team that finishes worse than the Knicks.

I still don't get it.. I never said anything about Memphis trading down or swapping our pick. All I'm making is an offer to give the Grizzlies, which would include our pick (which can be swapped with NYK). So they would end up having two lottery picks. Am I not being clear enough because you are confusing me

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Iverson started off the mid-season trading with a bang.

 

Will the Griz trade Gasol? Bulls look like a VERY good trade partner. According to ESPN, they think Gordon+Nocioni (and PJ Brown for the contract) is what Memphis would want. Bulls have Knicks 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and next years 2nd round pick so that cant be overlooked. Brown, Nocioni and the NY pick would be ideal. Granted we could end up kicking ourselves for moving that pick but a lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol and Wallace would be an absolute force.

 

The Bulls have the right to trade 1st round picks with the Knicks, they do not own that or any other of their picks. Jerry West is old and going senile, but I'm not sure he would want to trade out of the #1 spot.

I dont understand.. trading out of the #1 spot?

 

But i did mis-speak.. Bulls have the right to switch 1st rounders, like you said.. the other two 2nd round picks came from Denver.. one is Denvers, the other is Golden States, i think..

 

 

And 79, thats your opinion.. we shall see.

 

 

Memphis has the worst record in the NBA, so they would likely get the #1 pick. Even assuming they get one of the top 3 picks, all that trading for the Bull's right to swap picks would get them is a chance to trade down for a worse pick. The option of trading picks does NOTHING for Memphis. Completely worthless to any team that finishes worse than the Knicks.

I still don't get it.. I never said anything about Memphis trading down or swapping our pick. All I'm making is an offer to give the Grizzlies, which would include our pick (which can be swapped with NYK). So they would end up having two lottery picks. Am I not being clear enough because you are confusing me

 

 

 

Nope, I was confused. You didn't mention trading the Bulls pick, just the Knicks pick. I didn't make the connection to trading the Bulls pick instead.

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My fault.. i confuse myself sometimes.

 

Side note, the Trib says the Bulls won't be trading Hinrich, Deng or Gordon... take that fwiw.

 

The popular offer, and probably best one we could make is PJ Brown, 1st round pick, Duhon and Nocioni.

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If I'm going to be involved in a trade with the Bulls I would want Gordon or Hinrich. Especially if I'm Memphis and looking to build with younger guys.

Hinrich can't be traded because he signed an extension this year. That's part of the CBA. Deng is probably better then Gordon anyways.

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If I'm going to be involved in a trade with the Bulls I would want Gordon or Hinrich. Especially if I'm Memphis and looking to build with younger guys.

Hinrich can't be traded because he signed an extension this year. That's part of the CBA. Deng is probably better then Gordon anyways.

 

Didn't know that he signed an extension. But he CAN be traded after a certain period of time, as can other players who have signed or re-signed with teams this past offseason. That's why guys like Bonzi Wells are surrounded by rumors.

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Spurs Make Trade for Melvin Ely

 

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story.aspx...f2-e80e8413fee7

 

The San Antonio Spurs have confirmed to News 4 WOAI they have traded Eric Williams and a second round pick in the 2009 draft for Melvin Ely of the Charlotte Bobcats.

 

The move will give the Spurs about a $1 million worth of tax relief for this season, and a player they hope can contribute to a playoff run.

 

The 6-foot-10 Ely is in his fifth year in the NBA, out of Fresno State. He has averaged 6.3 points and 3.6 rebounds since coming into the league.

 

 

Hot damn. Give up nothing for a guy who could be in the starting lineup in a few weeks. I'll take it. Of course this says as much about our crappy bigs than anything else.

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If I'm going to be involved in a trade with the Bulls I would want Gordon or Hinrich. Especially if I'm Memphis and looking to build with younger guys.

Hinrich can't be traded because he signed an extension this year. That's part of the CBA. Deng is probably better then Gordon anyways.

 

Didn't know that he signed an extension. But he CAN be traded after a certain period of time, as can other players who have signed or re-signed with teams this past offseason. That's why guys like Bonzi Wells are surrounded by rumors.

 

Hinrich is probably untradeable because he plays a premium position well. Between Deng, Gordon, and Nocioni, the latter is probably the most expendable. John Hollinger made a good point that Gordon might thrive with Gasol because Gasol is good at passing it out of the interior.

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God the bulls are playing like crap.. not a good time to look bad. Drives up their price

 

 

Some thoughts on the whole thing:

 

1. Hinrich is the general of this team.. i really doubt he goes anywhere. Hes the defintion of Skiles/Pax's boy. With that being said, Duhon would be a fine starter.

 

2. I really like Thabo Sefolosha. Hes not ready right now to log very high minutes, but hes got the total package. He gets pretty much unnoticed when it comes to trading chips.

 

3. Like FM just said, Ben would be great with Gasol and his passing. Moving ben gives Kirk the start at SG with Duhon running point. Again, I think Duhon would be fine but it takes an obvious hit from our instant offense ability. I really dont want to trade the guy.

 

4. Deng's ceiling is the highest out of any of the players mentioned in any of this. I'd just hate to move him because we need an inside scorer when he is developing at such fast rate and most likely himself turning into a PF.

 

5. Still don't know how I feel about Tyrus Thomas. Yes hes a project.. but when Big Ben is ready to move on, he should be, hopefully, ready to fill right in... because he looks to be dynamic at shot-blocking and changing the game around the rim.

 

6. I love Nocioni.. I think he'd flourish wtih Gasol and his passing as well... which would obviously coushin the blow if we lost Deng.

 

Basically what it all comes down to is I don't want to trade any of them becaus I like them all and I'll change the order of who I'd give up first everyday... but man we need a big. But with our recent play, Memphis has the upper hand.

 

Just some thoughts

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There is an ESPN insider blurb about Bibby possibly coming to Miami???

 

If anyone has it, please post. thanks.

Sacramento has been actively trying to trade Mike Bibby, but with three years and $40.5 million remaining on his contract, he falls under the pricey category that Riley is trying to avoid. ''I've thought about it to be honest, but there isn't anything out there that would be better than that that wouldn't extract a big price from us,'' Riley said.

 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/16703020.htm

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