9-4, the record we would have without Julio

[anthony210]

Right now we would be 9-4 and tied for 1st place in the NL east if Julio wasnt on the team. I really think we need to do something, I dont think they will release him or send him down, lord knows i want them to release him but beinfest wont allow it yet.

 

What they need to do if he must remain on the team is keep him in the bullpen and only use him when we lead by 4+ runs, this way he can is not under pressure because even if he gives up a couple we still have a 2 run lead. And if he continues sucking we can release him without giving games away.

 

I know everyone is saying we had to use Julio tonight but i disagree, I think even a tired pitcher would have done better. I think leaving gregg in there for a couple more innings and then switch to Pinto would have been the best solution and probably woulda meant a win tonight. I know a lot are saying dont blame Fredi but I trully believe he is making a rookie mistake in sticking with Julio in close situaions.

 

Maybe Julio can get better with time and more outtings but putting him out there with a 1-0 lead is not the time to see, wait till we have a decent cushion.

[Stag5]

Anthony,

 

It is obvious Freddi decided tonight would be a night everyone gets work. There is a game tomorrow, the next day, the day after that, etc. Though you want to win every game you can't play to win every game. Today was a perfect situation....aside from Julio the biggest thing I came away from the game was we need someone (Pinto?) to be our long man and only our long man. Pinto cannot be LH specialist, setup and long relief. We cannot have 6 setup relievers and a closer.

 

Closer: Owens

Setup A: Gregg

Setup A: Lindstrom

Setup B: Messenger

Setup B: Gardner

LH Specialist/Setup: Tankersley

Long Relief Pinto

 

Julio needs to find his command in the minors.

[BeefWillingham]

Are you saying we win tonight without Julio? How do you figure? I hate Julio and the move to acquire him, but we scored 1 run tonight.

[mr_eob]

we should stick to one Julio thread

[Eddie Altamonte]

Are you saying we win tonight without Julio? How do you figure? I hate Julio and the move to acquire him, but we scored 1 run tonight.

Am I mistaken did Julio not give up 5 runs in 1 inning? Did we lose 6-1? Is not 6-5=1? Do the math!

[Guest markotsay7]

Are you saying we win tonight without Julio? How do you figure? I hate Julio and the move to acquire him, but we scored 1 run tonight.

Am I mistaken did Julio not give up 5 runs in 1 inning? Did we lose 6-1? Is not 6-5=1? Do the math!

Who else pitches in place of Julio, and how do you know what they do?

 

This is the first time all season I'm not blaming Julio and I've hated the trade since the day it was made. We shouldn't have brought him back out and it was unfortunate that he had to pitch at all. But you don't know what someone else would have done. We had a tired bullpen from last night and we still have games coming up. Something had to give.

[anthony210]

Gregg pitches two more innings, then we bring Pinto in like we did. Gregg was pitching fine i dont think he would have allowed more than 1 run. And Pinto only allowed 1 because he inherited Julios mess.

[rferry]

Are you saying we win tonight without Julio? How do you figure? I hate Julio and the move to acquire him, but we scored 1 run tonight.

Am I mistaken did Julio not give up 5 runs in 1 inning? Did we lose 6-1? Is not 6-5=1? Do the math!

How do you win when you tie?

 

A team scoring one 1 run does as much to prevent the team from winning as the player who lets 5 score on him. If either occurs, you're not going to win the game very often.

[BroncoBob27]

Another finger pointer thread. Bet no one is surprised. The bats have been waaaayyyy too quiet. That's why we have been losing games. They are team loses. After Mitre left the game it was going to be a long night. Gregg can not go 4 innings, no matter how much the finger pointers want him to. If he went further and got hurt then people would have something to complain about. Fredi did the right thing by PHing for him and trying to get a run to cross the plate. It was going to be patchwork kind of game that tires out a bullpen that we are going to need in the next 8 days vs NL East opponents. If our starters can not start giving us 7 innings then it is going to be a very long time before that much needed day off on the 26th. Starters going out of games early, quiet bats, and guys swinging for the fences instead of taking what the opposing pitchers are giving is what has been costing us games (not to mention some pretty sloppy defense). Not one particular player. May as well go ahead and blame Reggie for the loses.

[MrAndMrsFish]

Are you saying we win tonight without Julio? How do you figure? I hate Julio and the move to acquire him, but we scored 1 run tonight.

Am I mistaken did Julio not give up 5 runs in 1 inning? Did we lose 6-1? Is not 6-5=1? Do the math!

 

 

Julio gave up all 6 runs last night, just 5 of them were earned in his 1+ inning pitched

[anthony210]

Julio blew 2 saves, both of which should have been wins, those were not "team" losses but losses that 1 person named Jorge Julio caused.

 

Yes we had some bad defense this game, yes we only scored one run, and yes putting Julio in there in a pressure situation was a bad move. Without Julio in there the game woulda been tied or won by us. Ill take a tie and extra innings over going down 5 runs because our pitcher cant pitch at the major league level. I would take ANY of the other pitchers in there over Julio.

 

This has been 4 outtings that Julio has done nothing but hurt the team, he had a bad spring as well. At what point is it enough? Yes they paid big money to bring him here but we need to face facts, he cant pitch right, atleast not now and throwing away games isnt gonna fix him. They need to send him down or release him.

[fanfish]

Julio has not had a decent outing.

He has given up runs in every appearance.

He has hurt the team every time he has taken the mound.

He has been demoted to a less pressure situation and still has been horrible.

His command has been absent , getting behind in the count, having to throw fastballs down the middle that have been very hittable.

 

HE MUST BE SENT TO THE MINORS TO FIND HIS CONTROL AND HIS CONFIDENCE.

 

When he proves himself REPEATEDLY at Carolina or Albuquerque, then we should welcome him back. But not before.

 

There is a time to be persistent in the pursuit of a goal, but there is a time when persistence turns to blind stubbornness and intelligent people know the difference.

[rferry]

Julio blew 2 saves, both of which should have been wins, those were not "team" losses but losses that 1 person named Jorge Julio caused.

 

Yes we had some bad defense this game, yes we only scored one run, and yes putting Julio in there in a pressure situation was a bad move. Without Julio in there the game woulda been tied or won by us. Ill take a tie and extra innings over going down 5 runs because our pitcher cant pitch at the major league level. I would take ANY of the other pitchers in there over Julio.

 

This has been 4 outtings that Julio has done nothing but hurt the team, he had a bad spring as well. At what point is it enough? Yes they paid big money to bring him here but we need to face facts, he cant pitch right, atleast not now and throwing away games isnt gonna fix him. They need to send him down or release him.

All true. Aside from that the game would have been won or tied without Julio. Losing your starter in the 1st inning would ahve stretched the bullpen and limited Fredi's options all night. Not that says anything toward Julio's inability to pitch effectively, this night or this season or much of his career.