actually from a marlins point of view the dolphins and their owner have been a hinderance in getting a new stadium so he loses no credibility

 

I disagree. Huizenga has nothing to do with supporting a team from your area.

 

How many people here detest Loria & Samson, yet still support the Marlins ? :whistle

So ...............

 

I distinctly recall a NYY game at venerable Yankee Stadium in the late-60 / early-70s where the announced crowd was 412 (that's right - four hundred and twelve). I think they counted turnstiles (as opposed to tickets sold) back then.

 

Yes, for the damn Yankees - of course, before Steinbrenner brought them back. And it was a late seaon rainy day etc....

 

Keep perspective - someone should mention that (Herald writers - alert!!!!).

 

OUT.

Are you serious? That was 1966 [transit strike?] and they drew 1.12 million for the season [compared to a league average of approximately 1 million]. And oh, btw, it also happened to be a protest of the ownership, Ballentine Beer.

 

Perspective...

Are you serious? That was 1966 [transit strike?] and they drew 1.12 million for the season [compared to a league average of approximately 1 million]. And oh, btw, it also happened to be a protest of the ownership, Ballentine Beer.

 

Perspective...

Ooh, a protest of ownership-could it be? First, Wayne blowing up a championship team because he says he was losing money-we know he wasn't taking in to account all the revenue stream the Marlins generated that got "accounting" moved to other Wayne owned companies.

Oh, then John "I will pay for it myself" Henry-who along with MLB's man Luchessi, somehow didn't fix the problem here but managed to form a more perfect union and get the Red Sox without even being the highest bidder.

Oh, then came the switcheroo with MLB where we get Loria and Samson, the Expos move and we get "we are here for the long term committment...there will be no more firesales..." "lets talk sex toys" etc etc.

 

Hey, I know the attendance on Wed. was not a protest of ownership.

 

Look, I wasn't closing my office to go to a Wed afternoon game and I go to at least 25 games a year.

Fact is, Loria was doing it the way it had to be done, slowly building it back -from 11,000 average to almost 24,000 in 2005. Down here that is progress. Just not sure he was doing it as a plan or just that the contracts he had and luck with 2003 falling into place happened, with a few tweaks. It really does take a long term committment-the two years after 03 generated an upturn for the franchise and the fan base-not by standards of St. Louis, Yankees, Cubs, but reasonable. If you hold S. Florida to those standards, it will fail.

Somehow, other lost causes made it back: Houston, Atlanta, S. Francisco, Cleveland, Seattle, the White Sox-go back not too long and check their stats-they had their bags packed.

 

If you love baseball, you know the stadium issue needs to be solved to establish roots. It may not seem to make political and economic sense, but that is not often the deciding factor regarding a sports franchise and its impact on a community. In the long term, it makes sense, and a sports franchise makes a lot of sense to every city that ever lost one and paid through the butt to get one back-and it makes a lot more sense than many other projects.

 

It will not work if you want Dolphin Stadium to be packed for baseball for the last place team before you determine that a stadium is warranted.

Unless I missed something I'm surprised that nobody brought up the fact that this sorry situation made the national news. Not just ESPN. It made the NBC Nightly News last night. I'm out in Texas visiting family, and a few people who never bring up the Marlins have brought up this attendance story.

There's no excuse for a crowd that small. It's another embarrasment. I was concerned before, and I'm more concerned now that MLB may leave the area.

I should get my ticket stub and the article from the Herald framed.

 

If anyone wants to watch the NBC Nightly News segment: http://msnbcpod.rd.llnwd.net/e1/video/podc...netcast_wmv.wmv

Festa, that is embarassing. Maybe now something will happen. Leave or build a stadium, but something needs to be done.

i'm ready for them to be moved to Portland or Virginia or something.

This story really makes me laugh.

 

Anyone that lives in South Florida right now knows that the temperature combined with the humidity made it feel about 105 degrees outside at game time.

 

Show me where there was a packed stadium in the United States where a lot of people came out to watch 2 cellar dwellars play a game in the middle of the week @ 1:00.

 

I started sweating this morning WALKING TO MY MAILBOX.

 

 

We all know attendance is bad in South Florida but this story makes NO mention of just how severely hot is was outside.

This story really makes me laugh.

 

Anyone that lives in South Florida right now knows that the temperature combined with the humidity made it feel about 105 degrees outside at game time.

 

Show me where there was a packed stadium in the United States where a lot of people came out to watch 2 cellar dwellars play a game in the middle of the week @ 1:00.

 

I started sweating this morning WALKING TO MY MAILBOX.

 

 

We all know attendance is bad in South Florida but this story makes NO mention of just how severely hot is was outside.

 

It's still a major league team with arguably the two best players in the NL playing for the home-team with only 7 remaining home-dates.

 

It's a sad commentary that 10,000 seats would rather be wasted than redeemed, and your reasoning is the destructive cycle that will eventually lead to the Marlins being completely and utterly insolvent.

 

Bad weather happens everywhere. Losing seasons happen everywhere. It's not just Miami. Sure, everyone would love a team sponsored charter to take them from their house to the game and back, pay $5 to sit in the dugout next to the manager and have all the hot dogs and beer they want, free of charge.

 

Here's where other markets set themselves apart, they realize that's not happening, and either decide to "be big league" or get out of the picture.

This story really makes me laugh.

 

Anyone that lives in South Florida right now knows that the temperature combined with the humidity made it feel about 105 degrees outside at game time.

 

Show me where there was a packed stadium in the United States where a lot of people came out to watch 2 cellar dwellars play a game in the middle of the week @ 1:00.

 

I started sweating this morning WALKING TO MY MAILBOX.

 

 

We all know attendance is bad in South Florida but this story makes NO mention of just how severely hot is was outside.

 

It's still a major league team with arguably the two best players in the NL playing for the home-team with only 7 remaining home-dates.

 

It's a sad commentary that 10,000 seats would rather be wasted than redeemed, and your reasoning is the destructive cycle that will eventually lead to the Marlins being completely and utterly insolvent.

 

Bad weather happens everywhere. Losing seasons happen everywhere. It's not just Miami. Sure, everyone would love a team sponsored charter to take them from their house to the game and back, pay $5 to sit in the dugout next to the manager and have all the hot dogs and beer they want, free of charge.

 

Here's where other markets set themselves apart, they realize that's not happening, and either decide to "be big league" or get out of the picture.

 

 

Again I ask....

 

What last place team has packed houses for day games when the heat index is over 100?

 

 

 

Edit: And how exactly "my reasoning" the destructive cycle that will lead the team to be moved etc? Its hot in Arizona. They have a roof. F****** brilliant!

This story really makes me laugh.

 

Anyone that lives in South Florida right now knows that the temperature combined with the humidity made it feel about 105 degrees outside at game time.

 

Show me where there was a packed stadium in the United States where a lot of people came out to watch 2 cellar dwellars play a game in the middle of the week @ 1:00.

 

I started sweating this morning WALKING TO MY MAILBOX.

 

 

We all know attendance is bad in South Florida but this story makes NO mention of just how severely hot is was outside.

 

I understand what you are saying, but in the past, like 1998 or 2002 we still drew over 7,000 to 10,000 real live people in the stands at afternoon games. This was beyond embarassing.

This story really makes me laugh.

 

Anyone that lives in South Florida right now knows that the temperature combined with the humidity made it feel about 105 degrees outside at game time.

 

Show me where there was a packed stadium in the United States where a lot of people came out to watch 2 cellar dwellars play a game in the middle of the week @ 1:00.

 

I started sweating this morning WALKING TO MY MAILBOX.

 

 

We all know attendance is bad in South Florida but this story makes NO mention of just how severely hot is was outside.

 

I understand what you are saying, but in the past, like 1998 or 2002 we still drew over 7,000 to 10,000 real live people in the stands at afternoon games. This was beyond embarassing.

 

 

 

:lol

 

 

No we didnt.

Again I ask....

 

What last place team has packed houses for day games when the heat index is over 100?

 

 

 

Edit: And how exactly "my reasoning" the destructive cycle that will lead the team to be moved etc? Its hot in Arizona. They have a roof. F****** brilliant!

 

Its been over 100? real temperature in Chicago and the Cubs packed Wrigley. Cincinnati has done it a few times as well I'm sure. And if you have ever been in Atlanta, they too have heat indicies often over 100?.