And I've been arguing that shuttle buses are too much of an inconvenience for the average fan. The last thing you want to have happen is for people to start equating a trip to the ballpark to a an airline flight.

We are in agreement on this one but I just want a stadium even if it is in Key West and we would have to walk across the 3 mile bridge...well maybe i exagerate a bit but you can understand how i feel

Stinks. We'll live with this mistake for 30 years. 30 more years of poor attendance, 30 more years of low payrolls, 30 more years of bad teams.

retratable roof anyone? higher payroll? 2 world series titles...what arent you seeing about this picture?

 

I wouldnt assume payroll will be higher.

 

Personally, I will believe it when I see it.

 

build it they will come.................................

I am just exhausted with this issue, the Marlins need a home be it a mansion or a shack they need a home I hope they build a wonderful stadium, to which everyone in S Fl will be happy to go and root for the boys in Teal. Lets just get it done!

At the beginning of the season, the estimate for the stadium deal to be done was by this October, and the orange Bowl isn't THAT far away from downtown. Yes It would alot nicer for it to be downtown because of the scenery (look at PNC Park) But this is what I want

 

1. New Stadium

 

2. Re-sign the core of the team to long-term deals. (Hanley, Cabrera, Willis, etc)

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned by anyone else, but I'll say it rather than look through the many posts on this subject.

 

 

Has anyone hear mentioned the location of the new Nationals stadium? It is in a run down neighborhood of Washington, DC called Anacostia. Nobody ever goes there. It is away from the downtown area, but they could never build a stadium in downtown DC. I once looked at an apartment that wasn't too far becaue the apartment was a lot cheaper than others in DC, and I found out why. It was in a bad neighborhood.

 

It is going to be metro accessible and it is along the waterfront. But a major highway cuts it off from the hub of the city. That seems like the same or similiar situation with the Marlins proposal at the Orange bowl.

 

Maybe my fellow DC residents can shed some light on what they think is different.

2 major differences. 1) The Orange Bowl is not accessible by public transportation (South Florida baseball fans will not walk a mile through that area at night). 2) The DC stadium is not in Anacostia (if it were, it would fail). It's in an area that had pretty much been empty, so there's tons of room for development; already office buildings, apartments, and hotels are sprouting up around it (with bars and restaurants certain to follow once baseball arrives). The Orange Bowl area has no room for development, it's all houses, what are you going to do, raze all the neighborhoods and put up office buildings and bars? Won't happen.

 

As for others saying the retractable roof will solve all the problems, I just don't agree. People don't go to games at Joe Robbie cuz it's in a horrible location that takes forever to get to and has zero activity around it. Same problem exists at the Orange Bowl. I don't buy the rain delay argument, never have never will. To attract fans you need more than baseball; you need good access and lots of nearby activity. Orange Bowl has neither. Downtown has both (public transportation, thousands of downtown office workers, great opportunity for bar/restaurant development). This is a terrible mistake.

 

I agree with the transportation thing. I just hope they develop some form of shuttle service or design a bus route for games from the metro station. It would be the only logical solution. It is not illogical especially if a bus route is designed that takes fans directly to the game from the nearest metro station.

I got his response:

 

"Hernandez, Pedro G. (City Manager)" hide details 2:52 pm

to ####

date Sep 29, 2007 2:52 PM

subject RE: Downtown Site

mailed-by miamigov.com

 

 

My statement was in reference to the specific Downtown site, just North of the County administration building, at approx. the intersection of NW 2 Ave and 3rd Street. The City plans to move forward with the construction of a Police College at the NW corner of the intersection; this together with plans the County has for other uses on their property eliminates this option. Pete H.

 

 

 

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From: #### [mailto:xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:43 PM

To: Hernandez, Pedro G. (City Manager)

Subject: Downtown Site

 

 

Good morning, sir.

 

 

I have just finished reading an article from NBC6.net titled "Miami Mayor Says Orange Bowl Could Be Marlins Stadium Site" (URL: http://www.nbc6.net/sports/14220588/detail.html ). The article says that the downtown area is no longer being considered as a possible location for a future Marlins baseball stadium, claiming that you have made a declaration on it.

 

Can you confirm or deny that you have made this declaration on the subject of a possible Marlins stadium in downtown?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Jaime

 

Yep. Pretty much confirms it. :|

My point about the Nationals stadium didn't have anything to do with the method of access. It has to do with a neighborhood somehow precluding people coming there. I'm sure this wasn't the ideal location of MLB when they were talking about a stadium(or maybe it was, I dont know..my gut would say no).

 

And that area of D.C. is not just warehouses and stuff. Crime happens there too. I worked at D.C. Superior on a criminal judge's docket. Plenty of crime happens in southwest. I imagine people will wander into South Capitol st. One still has to walk to the metro too.

 

My impression is that a lot of people drive in South Florida and there really is no public transportation. If the OB manages to get parking, which I was under the impression they would have, I don't see the problem.

 

As for the point about people driving to the new Nats stadium, you would have to be a fool to want to drive there. I live in Bethesda and driving down into the central parts of D.C. makes me want to rip my hair out. There is no major transportation hub from the wealthy Maryland suburbs to where the Nats stadium will be. The NOVA suburbs will probably be easier.

 

Everyone will be taking the Metro. The Metro is actually pretty nice for baseball games, and I actually agree with you El Penguino. Anyone who works in downtown will have great access via L'enfant or Gallery Place. But I wonder how ferociously packed those Metro cars are going to be. I used to work in Judiciary Square and get on the yellow line at Archives. I saw how packed the green line heading in that direction can be. Ultimately I don't see it as being too bad a problem.

never been to the OB but if there is any parking around the stadium I would go, at least on a sat or sunday, after what I hear about the area at night I will stay away weeknights.....as far as the rain, its the driving thru the rush hour storms that deter me more than the rain delays

(really there aren't that many are there)

 

as long as the team stays, and signs a 30 yr lease, and we know they aren't going anywhere, thats good enough for me, but if they don't win, within 2 years they'll be drawing the same crappy crowds and very little will be different.....get it done!!!

Loria's quote on the stadium issue in today's PBP:

Loria said about the team's efforts to get a new stadium: "There will be some news about that soon.'' He would not elaborate.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...ahead_0930.html

And I've been arguing that shuttle buses are too much of an inconvenience for the average fan. The last thing you want to have happen is for people to start equating a trip to the ballpark to a an airline flight.

I did it in Jacksonville for the Noles game today and most on the buses seemed to think that it was better than parking at the stadium because we were right next to I-5, we didn't have to walk very much at all (they went from my car to my gate literally) and we had much more room to tailgate than the stadium lots had.

 

All I paid was $5 as well.

Loria's quote on the stadium issue in today's PBP:

Loria said about the team's efforts to get a new stadium: "There will be some news about that soon.'' He would not elaborate.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...ahead_0930.html

 

Selig's visit, the comments by the Mayor in the article that this thread is about, the fact that the downtown location isn't an option anymore, now this comment by Loria...can't they just announce a deal at the OB site already and put an end to this stadium issue once and for all???

Loria's quote on the stadium issue in today's PBP:

Loria said about the team's efforts to get a new stadium: "There will be some news about that soon.'' He would not elaborate.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...ahead_0930.html

 

Selig's visit, the comments by the Mayor in the article that this thread is about, the fact that the downtown location isn't an option anymore, now this comment by Loria...can't they just announce a deal at the OB site already and put an end to this stadium issue once and for all???

We all know it's coming. Do it already, unless they are waiting to trade Cabrera to then make an anouncement as Damage Control

never been to the OB but if there is any parking around the stadium I would go, at least on a sat or sunday, after what I hear about the area at night I will stay away weeknights.....as far as the rain, its the driving thru the rush hour storms that deter me more than the rain delays

(really there aren't that many are there)

 

as long as the team stays, and signs a 30 yr lease, and we know they aren't going anywhere, thats good enough for me, but if they don't win, within 2 years they'll be drawing the same crappy crowds and very little will be different.....get it done!!!

Then what you hear is not reality. No, it is not Worth Ave in Palm Beach, but it is not the home of night stalkers waiting to rip out your heart. Enough, even with your fears, there will be police throughout the area. This perception is very frustrating. The OB may not be the best area from the standpoint of creating a recreation destination to go to before games, on weekends, hang around after games etc. but for the pure aspect of going to a ball game it is not a lawless killing field. Just lower income hard working, decent people who live in the area. Happy to have you park on their lawns. I think the people of the area are more worthy of our respect than fear.

Then what you hear is not reality. No, it is not Worth Ave in Palm Beach, but it is not the home of night stalkers waiting to rip out your heart. Enough, even with your fears, there will be police throughout the area. This perception is very frustrating. The OB may not be the best area from the standpoint of creating a recreation destination to go to before games, on weekends, hang around after games etc. but for the pure aspect of going to a ball game it is not a lawless killing field. Just lower income hard working, decent people who live in the area. Happy to have you park on their lawns. I think the people of the area are more worthy of our respect than fear.

 

:thumbup

 

Besides people have been walking from the other side of the Miami River to and from games at the OB for forty years, parking in Spring Garden and around the hospital area, without incident. You're right that the perception is much worse than the reality.

 

And as for the area becoming any kind of entertainment destination, it might happen (certainly there is enough commercially zoned property in the area) or not, but it isn't going to make or break the success of the stadium.

The Orange Bowl area is not pretty by any means but...judging from the perception that some people have you would think the Dolphin Stadium area was Gables Estates. That Opa Locka/Miami Gardens area is the pits. I take the Palmetto to get there and that drive on 27th Avenue is not exactly the safest, most scenic in town.

The Orange Bowl area is not pretty by any means but...judging from the perception that some people have you would think the Dolphin Stadium area was Gables Estates. That Opa Locka/Miami Gardens area is the pits. I take the Palmetto to get there and that drive on 27th Avenue is not exactly the safest, most scenic in town.

The OB site is not bad because it's a bad neighborhood or it is unsafe. I don't believe that has ever been a point of discussion. The problem is one of access and infra-structure. I marvel at some small minded comments like people can pay 5.00 to park on some neighbors lawn. That may work for 5 or 6 games a year for a College fanbase but you are not going to build a staduim for a professional franchise to host 81 games a season not counting playoffs or exhibitions expecting your fans to fill up a staduim and park on the neighborhood lawns. You certainly don't build a fanbase that way. The case is also brought up that the OB has games with 70,000 plus in attendence and their have no problem getting in and out of the facility. College games are generally on Saturdays most people do not work on sundays after the game the may go to celebrate at a nearby watering hole Baseball is an evening sport most people just go home and won't tolerate waiting 30-45 minutes to get to the main traffic veins to take them home. That is another point their is nowhere to develop a fan friendly infrastructure next to the staduim