here is the breakdown. . . . . .

 

4 counts of perjury (each carries up to 5 years)

1 count of obstruction of justice (up to 10 years)

If found guilty, potential for 30 years in prision. . . . HOLY SH&T

 

If he's found guilty, there's no way he gets 30 years.

 

I agree. . . . but this speaks volume about the seriousness of the indictment

 

Not really. The maximum punishments for almost any crime imagineable is way more than anyone ever gets.

so you don't believe this is a big deal?. . . .or you just want to argue, for the sake of arguing

 

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

 

Exactly. Now I dont know exactly what your thoughts are here, but you know all sorts of people will be posting celebration type posts that in my eyes will be ridiculous. Yeah, Bonds may have a crappy attitude and the like and Im no fan, but he isnt doing anything soooo many others arent doing, but he is the big one they wanted to go after. Yeah, he probably lied, but youve gotta think that while he lied to a jury he was just thinking, "why should I admit it when all these other guys I play with dont have to".... Its really prretty unfair, all these other guys do it (and dont give me the "do you have proof" crap) and it gives them an edge and a guy with an ego that wants to remain that much better than everyone else would want to do the same thing. If somebody thinks he is the only one (or one of the few) and thats why theyre happy hes going down, thats just stupid, if somebody is slightly happy because this may start to keep others from doing similar things in the future, I can understand that.

 

Giambi went throught the same thing, and didn't lie . .

 

Nope and good for him, but there are A LOT of others out there doing a lot of things that baseball cant even test for. Good for Giambi, but he also did steroids, there are many more who did as well to the point that I doubt it really created a competitive advantage. At first, the lesser players began the use of steroid to try to even the playing field, in the end, I think everyone (obviously not everyone, but a huge amount) used it to make things how they were from the start.

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?

 

I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.

Lying under oath, yeah thats 'nothing'.

 

:lol

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.I can see the point of view, but he essentially is the equivalent of a drug user/pedaler in a cartel from the law's point of view. That's the way they see it, while we see it as a baseball player possibly going to jail for cheating in a game and then lying about it.

 

I really don't think the Feds are out to pound Barry into the ground.....more than likely they would take a deal where he copped to the charges and testified against his buddies.

If found guilty, potential for 30 years in prision. . . . HOLY SH&T

 

If he's found guilty, there's no way he gets 30 years.

 

I agree. . . . but this speaks volume about the seriousness of the indictment

 

Not really. The maximum punishments for almost any crime imagineable is way more than anyone ever gets.

so you don't believe this is a big deal?. . . .or you just want to argue, for the sake of arguing

 

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

 

Exactly. Now I dont know exactly what your thoughts are here, but you know all sorts of people will be posting celebration type posts that in my eyes will be ridiculous. Yeah, Bonds may have a crappy attitude and the like and Im no fan, but he isnt doing anything soooo many others arent doing, but he is the big one they wanted to go after. Yeah, he probably lied, but youve gotta think that while he lied to a jury he was just thinking, "why should I admit it when all these other guys I play with dont have to".... Its really prretty unfair, all these other guys do it (and dont give me the "do you have proof" crap) and it gives them an edge and a guy with an ego that wants to remain that much better than everyone else would want to do the same thing. If somebody thinks he is the only one (or one of the few) and thats why theyre happy hes going down, thats just stupid, if somebody is slightly happy because this may start to keep others from doing similar things in the future, I can understand that.

 

Giambi went throught the same thing, and didn't lie . .

 

Nope and good for him, but there are A LOT of others out there doing a lot of things that baseball cant even test for. Good for Giambi, but he also did steroids, there are many more who did as well to the point that I doubt it really created a competitive advantage. At first, the lesser players began the use of steroid to try to even the playing field, in the end, I think everyone (obviously not everyone, but a huge amount) used it to make things how they were from the start.

since Bonds is the one breaking sacred records, he is being held to a higher standard. if it is fair or not, that's up to interpretation.

 

I don't think the indictment is unfair, if he broke the law

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.I can see the point of view, but he essentially is the equivalent of a drug user/pedaler in a cartel from the law's point of view. That's the way they see it, while we see it as a baseball player possibly going to jail for cheating in a game and then lying about it.

People always forget/care not to mention how enormous that BALCO investiagtion was/is and how many people it included.

If found guilty, potential for 30 years in prision. . . . HOLY SH&T

 

If he's found guilty, there's no way he gets 30 years.

 

I agree. . . . but this speaks volume about the seriousness of the indictment

 

Not really. The maximum punishments for almost any crime imagineable is way more than anyone ever gets.

so you don't believe this is a big deal?. . . .or you just want to argue, for the sake of arguing

 

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

 

Exactly. Now I dont know exactly what your thoughts are here, but you know all sorts of people will be posting celebration type posts that in my eyes will be ridiculous. Yeah, Bonds may have a crappy attitude and the like and Im no fan, but he isnt doing anything soooo many others arent doing, but he is the big one they wanted to go after. Yeah, he probably lied, but youve gotta think that while he lied to a jury he was just thinking, "why should I admit it when all these other guys I play with dont have to".... Its really prretty unfair, all these other guys do it (and dont give me the "do you have proof" crap) and it gives them an edge and a guy with an ego that wants to remain that much better than everyone else would want to do the same thing. If somebody thinks he is the only one (or one of the few) and thats why theyre happy hes going down, thats just stupid, if somebody is slightly happy because this may start to keep others from doing similar things in the future, I can understand that.

 

Giambi went throught the same thing, and didn't lie . .

 

Nope and good for him, but there are A LOT of others out there doing a lot of things that baseball cant even test for. Good for Giambi, but he also did steroids, there are many more who did as well to the point that I doubt it really created a competitive advantage. At first, the lesser players began the use of steroid to try to even the playing field, in the end, I think everyone (obviously not everyone, but a huge amount) used it to make things how they were from the start.

since Bonds is the one breaking sacred records, he is being held to a higher standard. if it is fair or not, that's up to interpretation.

 

I don't think the indictment is unfair, if he broke the law

 

I dont think the indictment is unfair either, I think people singling him out as if he is the only one is unfair and Im just saying I can understand why he would do some of the things he did.

If anyone hasn't read it already or is also a law nerd, here is the full indictment.

 

Link

I dont think the indictment is unfair either, I think people singling him out as if he is the only one is unfair and Im just saying I can understand why he would do some of the things he did.

Well I guess don't be a racist douche and/or lie to a grand jury and you don't have to worry about it.

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?

 

I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.

Lying under oath, yeah thats 'nothing'.

 

:lol

 

Again, I'm wording this poorly. It just doesn't sit well with me, and hasn't from the beginning.

 

And bringing up racism, sure he's a racist as well, but I do think there is a lot of racism towards Barry Bonds as well.

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?

 

I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.

Lying under oath, yeah thats 'nothing'.

 

:lol

 

Again, I'm wording this poorly. It just doesn't sit well with me, and hasn't from the beginning.

 

And bringing up racism, sure he's a racist as well, but I do think there is a lot of racism towards Barry Bonds as well.

I don't know why people always have to qualify his behavior with the negative reaction that comes from it.

 

I don't really get why this wouldn't sit well with people unless you are some obvious homer/fan and can't come to grips with the reality of the situation (not saying this is you). This indictment just proves the ego this guy has. The only way his testimony could ever be used against him in a court of law was for perjury or obstruction of justice. He got immunity and yet he still lied because he wanted the home run record that he got using illegal substances that prolonged his career.

 

You don't put your nose up to the Feds. You especially shouldn't do it for something really as trivial as a baseball record.

 

Everything catches up to you, especially when it comes to the Federal government. The conviction rate for Federal prosecutors is astronomical, he has little to no chance of wiggling out of this one. I personally think Greg Anderson flipped on him, but that is just baseless speculation on my part. Just a guess.

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

 

Also, if found guilty, his punishment should be that he has to wear a scarlett asterisk over his bosom the rest of his life.

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

I don't think it's a big deal, no. I doubt he does any jail time. It would be a pretty outrageous abuse of power to do so. Did Palmiero do time?

Why would it be an abuse of power?

 

I meant to word it differently, but essentially, I feel like it is the government making way too big ado about nothing.

Lying under oath, yeah thats 'nothing'.

 

:lol

 

Again, I'm wording this poorly. It just doesn't sit well with me, and hasn't from the beginning.

 

And bringing up racism, sure he's a racist as well, but I do think there is a lot of racism towards Barry Bonds as well.

I don't know why people always have to qualify his behavior with the negative reaction that comes from it.

 

I don't really get why this wouldn't sit well with people unless you are some obvious homer/fan and can't come to grips with the reality of the situation (not saying this is you). This indictment just proves the ego this guy has. The only way his testimony could ever be used against him in a court of law was for perjury or obstruction of justice. He got immunity and yet he still lied because he wanted the home run record that he got using illegal substances that prolonged his career.

 

You don't put your nose up to the Feds. You especially shouldn't do it for something really as trivial as a baseball record.

 

Everything catches up to you, especially when it comes to the Federal government. The conviction rate for Federal prosecutors is astronomical, he has little to no chance of wiggling out of this one. I personally think Greg Anderson flipped on him, but that is just baseless speculation on my part. Just a guess.

 

 

What I dont get is the people who celebrate it as if he is the only one.

 

Bolded: Doesnt seem all that unlikely

Breaking news. . . Greg Anderson released from prison

Stephen A Smith while yelling on ESPN: Back around 2003 when Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were bashing homeruns and saving the sport...............

 

 

2003?!?!

 

Edit: Oh, Stephen A, theyre targeting Bonds because hes black.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: He should not be allowed to yell his thoughts on any sort of medium

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

 

"The President is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

 

--some White House spokesperson named Tony Fratto

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

 

"The President is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

 

--some White House spokesperson named Tony Fratto

another Bush moment . . . . he has no business commenting on this

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

 

"The President is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

 

--some White House spokesperson named Tony Fratto

 

My guess is he was asked about it, and the guy answered. I'm guessing Bush didn't just come out and say "hey, isn't this a drag?"

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

 

"The President is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

 

--some White House spokesperson named Tony Fratto

another Bush moment . . . . he has no business commenting on this

Well he did own a major league baseball team.

What I dont get is the people who celebrate it as if he is the only one.

Yeah, I agree with that but like I've said he has brought a lot of that on himself, plus he illegally and untruthfully got to this level of play power wise, by the use of steroids. That is why he gets the lion share of blame.

 

Doesn't make the people that only condemn him less ignorant, but that is why.

 

This isn't about steroids though this is about lying under oath. Far more serious then anything having to do with the game.

Why did the White House feel the need to comment on this?

They did? That is retarded.

 

"The President is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

 

--some White House spokesperson named Tony Fratto

 

My guess is he was asked about it, and the guy answered. I'm guessing Bush didn't just come out and say "hey, isn't this a drag?"

+1

 

Plus, I mean, this does involve the federal government.

What I dont get is the people who celebrate it as if he is the only one.

Yeah, I agree with that but like I've said he has brought a lot of that on himself, plus he illegally and untruthfully got to this level of play power wise, by the use of steroids. That is why he gets the lion share of blame.

 

Doesn't make the people that only condemn him less ignorant, but that is why.

 

This isn't about steroids though this is about lying under oath. Far more serious then anything having to do with the game.

 

Like I said, I dont think the indictment is unfair at all.

Holy crap Bonds is finally going down! He will pretty much have cop a plea abd then history will take it's course

Bonds had tested positive for steroids? That is huge!