Just a silly thought, but really why didn't we go after Griffey? I would've rather had him than Manny anyways, we easily could've stuck him out in left or center and probably wouldn't have had to give up Hermida.

 

 

Better question would be...why did the White Sox get him in the first place?

 

Plus, Griffey wouldn't be an upgrade for the Marlins. He's a HOF'er on the decline.

.245/.355/.432 are his #'s this year, and he gets to play half his games in a hitters' park.

 

Not worth giving up prospects for.

BTW, how do you think Manny Ramirez and Jeff Kent are going to get along? :mischief

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

 

Actually I don't find that hard to believe because Loria is a CHEAP SLIMY SOB, however I don't think that was really the deal breaker

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

 

 

Well, there's different rumors.

 

That one you just said...as well as the one that says the Pirates were not happy with the prospects the Marlins were dealing (supposedly, we were giving up Hermida, Coghlan, and Tankersley).

 

The Pirates seemed to screw the deal, really.

 

Doesn't really matter, regardless. I think Hermida will have a solid 2nd half, with us.

 

If you think about it...I think the Pirates won that trade today (the Red Sox-Dodgers-Pirates trade).

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

 

From what the front office has said, it seems they were afraid of disturbing the team chemistry. makes sense. Chemistry could break down if you lose a player from a young team that feels united by the fact that they are under appreciated nationally, and then get a completely goofball player that seems cancerous to any clubhouse. Especially considering the problems this clubhouse had with discipline last year (Cabrera?).

 

the 2 million was probably a way to get out of it without seeming to have wasted the sox's time

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

 

From what the front office has said, it seems they were afraid of disturbing the team chemistry. makes sense. Chemistry could break down if you lose a player from a young team that feels united by the fact that they are under appreciated nationally, and then get a completely goofball player that seems cancerous to any clubhouse. Especially considering the problems this clubhouse had with discipline last year (Cabrera?).

 

the 2 million was probably a way to get out of it without seeming to have wasted the sox's time

 

Team chemistry? There's no team chemistry needed when a player is in the batters box. I really hope thats not the reason this deal wasn't done. Team chemistry is such an overrated thing. I doubt this deal wasn't made because they didn't want to disrupt team chemistry. If that was the case then why would they even involve themselves in trade conversations with the Red Sox.

Does anyone know what actually caused the trade not to go through. I heard on the radio that Loria was asking for 2 million dollars more in cash and the Red Sox weren't willing to budge since they are already paying the rest of Mannys salary. Does anyone know if theres any truth to that. I find it hard to believe that Loria wouldn't pull the trigger on Manny for 2 freaking million dollars.

 

I can tell you as a fact that Pittsburgh is what held up the deal. which really makes sense when you look at all the various reports out of Pitt. In fact, the Blue Jays had interest in Bay, but the phone call lasted 5 minutes because of the absurd asking price Pittsburgh wanted. Tampa Bay was also not able to get a deal done because of the prospects Pitt. wanted. To make a long story short, Pittsburgh wanted ANOTHER prospect, and because of this, The Red Sox called Florida and asked the Marlins for another prospect, most say they wanted Ryan Tucker, but I have also heard Stanton was a possibly the third guy as well. The Marlins simply did not want to give up all that talent for a rental and to mess with the chemistry of the team. Again, I'm happy and proud the Marlins stuck to their guns on this one.

your telling me that the two minor leaguer that the LA gave up is better than Hermida and whatever minor leaguer the Marlins were offering? of course Im considering that Boston was offering the same two prospects in the Florida deal. something just doesn't add up.

your telling me that the two minor leaguer that the LA gave up is better than Hermida and whatever minor leaguer the Marlins were offering? of course Im considering that Boston was offering the same two prospects in the Florida deal. something just doesn't add up.

 

 

The two prospects that Boston gave up, Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen, are really good prospects... In fact Brandon Moss may end up being better than Hermida in the long run. I highly doubt those were the prospects that Boston was going to give to the Marlins or the Pirates as that deal would have most likely gone through. The Dodgers really barely gave anything in this trade so Boston probably had to offer these two "better" prospects than the ones they offered in the FLA/Pitt deal to finally get the deal done before the deadline.

your telling me that the two minor leaguer that the LA gave up is better than Hermida and whatever minor leaguer the Marlins were offering? of course Im considering that Boston was offering the same two prospects in the Florida deal. something just doesn't add up.

 

 

Well, LaRoche is the best prospect in the deal, but as far as the combo of prospects each team gave, the Red Sox actually gave up the better prospects.

The Red Sox really got owned (sorry for the trollish word there) today.

the bottomline is if Boston gave up those top prospects in the LA why weren't they offer in the Florida deal? was this John Henry not willing to give Florida Manny or was there something to this 2 million dollar rumor that was reported today.

the bottomline is if Boston gave up those top prospects in the LA why weren't they offer in the Florida deal? was this John Henry not willing to give Florida Manny or was there something to this 2 million dollar rumor that was reported today.

 

While there was a financial dispute, what ended up hurting the original deal was what Florida had to give with Pitt. asking so much. It could have very well been that the Boston prospects that they wanted to give to the Fish weren't well thought of by the Marlins. Just because one team likes a prospect doesn't mean another team will, and I trust Beinfest's judgement.

 

Look I know your trying to find something suspicious here, but its really not surprising this deal did not go through since there were so many moving parts.

whoer says team chemistry doesn't counti s wrong. it influences how they play and pick each other up. cmon man haven't u seen the heat when they had 15 strong

It was a bad deal that got worse the more the Pirates demanded. It did not address any needs of the team, and made the team weaker going forward. I am pleased with the non-deal.

whoer says team chemistry doesn't counti s wrong. it influences how they play and pick each other up. cmon man haven't u seen the heat when they had 15 strong

 

Think about what you just said.

 

1. No, chemistry doesn't matter in baseball

2. pick each other up? You think when Hanley is facing a 95 MPH fastball he is really thinking about his other teammates and how they treat him?

3. You do realize that basketball is a different sport than baseball?

4. Did you know the 1997 Marlins team had horrible 'chemistry'? They would fight in the locker room every night and did not get along at all. ref: Dan Lebatard who covered that team extensively.

getting along does help their game didn't u see uggla basically telling johnson yesterday i got u

Makes sense to me. If it was Hammer instead of Hermida not bad, but if we had an outfield of Ross, Hammer, and Manny, we'd be given up a lot more runs then Manny would be able to produce

I agree to an extent. As far as his fielding I think people who don't see him everyday don't realize he isnt the worst fielder in the world. I think he is actually an upgrade over both Hermida and the Hammer

 

You also have to remember he was playing half his games at Fenway. You really don't have much ground in left to cover

 

 

very good point and most of the left center field wall was covered by Coco or Jacoby all he did was to cover where he was to the line about 20 feet

getting along does help their game didn't u see uggla basically telling johnson yesterday i got u

 

Come on. come on! Don't do this. You really think Josh Johnson pitches better because Uggla said 'i got u' to him??!?

id rather keep this team maybe add a catcher with some leadership and we are good for a great run at the playoffs and the title

 

manny would helped but we were giivng up to much

getting along does help their game didn't u see uggla basically telling johnson yesterday i got u

 

Come on. come on! Don't do this. You really think Josh Johnson pitches better because Uggla said 'i got u' to him??!?

 

Perhaps, state of mind can have a huge effect on some players.

Stolen from the great MarlinsLou:

 

 

JIM LEYLAND ON TEAM CHEMISTRY

 

"That [stuff] is all overrated...I'm interested in pitching and getting outs, hitting, making plays. I'm not interested in the clubhouse...."All that [stuff] has been media [stuff] for years -- great chemistry, great clubhouse. That's the biggest bunch of [baloney] in the history of sports. Every time somebody wants to talk about great chemistry, [forget] the chemistry in the clubhouse. I'm interested in winning games, period. I don't know who came up with it, but the worst word ever used now is chemistry. That's something you take in school. That's a class you take."

Chemistry and momentum mean very little.

Especially chemistry.

 

These players...they are all professionals.

 

Anyone seen "Bronx is Burning?"

 

There are a bunch of championship teams that have had bad chemistry in baseball.

 

However, AS A FAN...I love to see the players getting along. With that said...it doesn't really impact the results, in the end.

 

And Uggla didn't hit a HR b/c he told JJ "I got u." He hit a HR b/c Joe Smith gave him a cookie to hit.

It's not as if that's the first HR he hits, and it ain't gonna be the last.

But...as a fan, I must admit...it was nice to see.

Stolen from the great MarlinsLou:

 

 

JIM LEYLAND ON TEAM CHEMISTRY

 

"That [stuff] is all overrated...I'm interested in pitching and getting outs, hitting, making plays. I'm not interested in the clubhouse...."All that [stuff] has been media [stuff] for years -- great chemistry, great clubhouse. That's the biggest bunch of [baloney] in the history of sports. Every time somebody wants to talk about great chemistry, [forget] the chemistry in the clubhouse. I'm interested in winning games, period. I don't know who came up with it, but the worst word ever used now is chemistry. That's something you take in school. That's a class you take."

 

I remember this, didn't he come up with this during the '97 season (or when talking about the '97 team)? I mostly agree, chemistry I think plays a small role, but compared to basketball or football, its nowhere near as important in baseball. The only chemistry I think a baseball team needs is pitcher/catcher, 2B/SS, and OF, and only a little bit at that.

Jim Leyland's comments are great.

His statement about momentum is awesome.

 

What was it? "Momentum is as good as your next day's starting pitcher."

It's so true, really.