poll needs to have a "draw" option. I don't think there was a clear winner.

 

Skipping past the obvious points that it was scripted and predictable, etc, etc...

 

 

It was pretty important for both to have a solid night & I think they did.

 

If McCain was dropping in the polls he probably halted the slide. A poor showing could've devastated hiim.

 

Obama needed to hold his own on foreign policy and show a fair command of international issues, which I think he did

 

 

In this particular debate I figured McCain was going to mop the floor with him, and he did hammer Obama pretty hard, repeating "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." But at other times he seemed too far in the past and you might label him a cold war era politician. Obama seemed to stand his ground though, so I'm sure Democrats are pleased he was able to keep it close.

I didn't get a chance to watch the debate because I wasn't home, does anyone know if they will have it on nbc.com or something?

 

BTW I just want to know something, did any of the two come straight up and say why this bail out plan is completely WRONG and why?

CNN.com has the debates in parts 1 through 3 on their website.

poll needs to have a "draw" option. I don't think there was a clear winner.

 

Skipping past the obvious points that it was scripted and predictable, etc, etc...

 

 

It was pretty important for both to have a solid night & I think they did.

 

If McCain was dropping in the polls he probably halted the slide. A poor showing could've devastated hiim.

 

Obama needed to hold his own on foreign policy and show a fair command of international issues, which I think he did

 

 

In this particular debate I figured McCain was going to mop the floor with him, and he did hammer Obama pretty hard, repeating "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." But at other times he seemed too far in the past and you might label him a cold war era politician. Obama seemed to stand his ground though, so I'm sure Democrats are pleased he was able to keep it close.

 

McCain was very condescending and stiff. Telling your opponent "you just don't understand" or "you're just naive" is very disrespectful and unstatesmanlike. It is for the viewer/voter to decide those things. In addition, it was kind of ironic that McCain would make those claims, yet Obama was very articulate in explaining his positions on various foreign affairs issues. Obama responded to those condescending remarks by basically showing him and everyone watching that he knows more than McCain. I think it's pretty clear that Obama won the debate.

 

And the polls back up what I say. CNN and CBS News both have Obama winning handily. McCain is a grumpy old man and many people were turned off by his antics.

 

You're an Obama supporter. You worry too much. Obama cleaned McCain's clock.

poll needs to have a "draw" option. I don't think there was a clear winner.

 

Skipping past the obvious points that it was scripted and predictable, etc, etc...

 

 

It was pretty important for both to have a solid night & I think they did.

 

If McCain was dropping in the polls he probably halted the slide. A poor showing could've devastated hiim.

 

Obama needed to hold his own on foreign policy and show a fair command of international issues, which I think he did

 

 

In this particular debate I figured McCain was going to mop the floor with him, and he did hammer Obama pretty hard, repeating "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." But at other times he seemed too far in the past and you might label him a cold war era politician. Obama seemed to stand his ground though, so I'm sure Democrats are pleased he was able to keep it close.

 

McCain was very condescending and stiff. Telling your opponent "you just don't understand" or "you're just naive" is very disrespectful and unstatesmanlike. It is for the viewer/voter to decide those things. In addition, it was kind of ironic that McCain would make those claims, yet Obama was very articulate in explaining his positions on various foreign affairs issues. Obama responded to those condescending remarks by basically showing him and everyone watching that he knows more than McCain. I think it's pretty clear that Obama won the debate.

 

And the polls back up what I say. CNN and CBS News both have Obama winning handily. McCain is a grumpy old man and many people were turned off by his antics.

 

You're an Obama supporter. You worry too much. Obama cleaned McCain's clock.

 

Show me the polls?

 

The only poll I saw was last night on MSNBC, yes MSNBC and McCain won 82% to 16% and 2% undecided. Also, every analyst except Olberman on MSNBC gave the night to McCain.

And then you already have this add out, which helps McCain.

Everyone seems to be saying its a draw or Obama won. Im happy with that.

 

Tie goes to Obama because he is up in the polls right now about 4-5 points. McCain needs to game changer, and this might have been his last shot at one short of a major Obama gaffe or an October surprise. Election day is about 1 month away.

 

Also, that video McCain has out is great. Make fun of someone for acknowledging the other side has valid points and then claim you are bipartisan? Ha!

 

It also ends with "Obama lacks judgment." So Obama is wrong for saying McCain is right?

 

These debates are about that one thing everyone remembers. The one thing that seems to be coming out is McCains utter refusal to look at Obama. That doesn't come off well.

poll needs to have a "draw" option. I don't think there was a clear winner.

 

Skipping past the obvious points that it was scripted and predictable, etc, etc...

 

 

It was pretty important for both to have a solid night & I think they did.

 

If McCain was dropping in the polls he probably halted the slide. A poor showing could've devastated hiim.

 

Obama needed to hold his own on foreign policy and show a fair command of international issues, which I think he did

 

 

In this particular debate I figured McCain was going to mop the floor with him, and he did hammer Obama pretty hard, repeating "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." But at other times he seemed too far in the past and you might label him a cold war era politician. Obama seemed to stand his ground though, so I'm sure Democrats are pleased he was able to keep it close.

 

McCain was very condescending and stiff. Telling your opponent "you just don't understand" or "you're just naive" is very disrespectful and unstatesmanlike. It is for the viewer/voter to decide those things. In addition, it was kind of ironic that McCain would make those claims, yet Obama was very articulate in explaining his positions on various foreign affairs issues. Obama responded to those condescending remarks by basically showing him and everyone watching that he knows more than McCain. I think it's pretty clear that Obama won the debate.

 

And the polls back up what I say. CNN and CBS News both have Obama winning handily. McCain is a grumpy old man and many people were turned off by his antics.

 

You're an Obama supporter. You worry too much. Obama cleaned McCain's clock.

 

Show me the polls?

 

The only poll I saw was last night on MSNBC, yes MSNBC and McCain won 82% to 16% and 2% undecided. Also, every analyst except Olberman on MSNBC gave the night to McCain.

 

I am referring to scientific polls, not the online polls. Forget those online polls. They're not scientific.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...?iref=hpmostpop

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/po...ry4482028.shtml

 

 

BOOYA!!

I am referring to scientific polls, not the online polls. Forget those online polls. They're not scientific.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...?iref=hpmostpop

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/po...ry4482028.shtml

 

BOOYA!!

 

Did you read the methodology? The Obama 'lead' in the CNN poll was less than the margin of Democrats over Republican respondents. Therefore, the poll is as scientific as the Flat Earth Society...

^no need for BOOYA! i looked it up and found the results. A few more Moveon had obama winning by 5 points, Drudge had McCain winning by 25 points. In the end, whoever you wanted to win, won.

The fact that this debate was on McCain's strongest suit (I mean, if you ask McCain voters what they're voting on, they're voting on national security), and nobody can really say that he won is a pretty good sign for the Obama fans.

Your usage of the word "fan" is painfully ironic.

 

Yes, I know that the two party system sucks and that it's destroying our country.

How many times did Obama say "Senator McCain is absolutely right!"?

How many times did he call him something other than "Senator McCain" or "John"?

Secondly, we actually have a de facto one party system.

This.

I find ironic all of these condescending talk, when Obama accused the other candidate of being too old and out of touch because he didn't know how to send an e-mail

I am referring to scientific polls, not the online polls. Forget those online polls. They're not scientific.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/deb...?iref=hpmostpop

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/po...ry4482028.shtml

 

BOOYA!!

 

Did you read the methodology? The Obama 'lead' in the CNN poll was less than the margin of Democrats over Republican respondents. Therefore, the poll is as scientific as the Flat Earth Society...

 

1) There are more Democrats than Republicans - that's just a fact.

2) The CBS poll was only of independents.

The last time I heard someone use the word BOOYAH! probably was 10 years ago ...thanks for the trip down memory lane

1) There are more Democrats than Republicans - that's just a fact.

2) The CBS poll was only of independents.

 

 

1) It is a self-identification, not a voter registration. I know self-identified independents that are in fact members of a party.

2) No it wasn't. It was of 'uncommited' voters and it did not provide a look into its methodology.

You just don't want to accept the fact that you're candidate came off as condescending and stiff. These debates are often not judged by the content of the arguments made by the candidates, but how the candidate comes across. Obama came across as dignified and presidential and McCain came across as condescending, stiff, and disrespectful. I've talked to various uncommitted (now committed) voters who were put off by McCain. He just came across as an ass.

For what it's worth, I didn't mind McCain's condescending attitude one bit. I like for politicians to express confidence. I don't think Obama's delivery was all that impressive. He reverted back to his stuttering self.

 

However, I will bash McCain for his actual stated policy and points of emphasis in the debate. This was his weakest point. He overemphasized the issue of earmarks (which wasn't important enough to even be mentioned at all), displayed no economic knowledge, and resorted to sappy emotion fueled discourse on foreign policy.

 

I was keeping track of the way they spoke.. McCain and Obama stuttered a lot, equally.

You just don't want to accept the fact that you're candidate came off as condescending and stiff. These debates are often not judged by the content of the arguments made by the candidates, but how the candidate comes across. Obama came across as dignified and presidential and McCain came across as condescending, stiff, and disrespectful. I've talked to various uncommitted (now committed) voters who were put off by McCain. He just came across as an ass.

 

McCain backs the bailout boondoggle, as a result I no longer have a candidate. I thought McCain came accross as aggressive and I though Obama handled that very well, but was unable to go on the offensive.

You just don't want to accept the fact that you're candidate came off as condescending and stiff. These debates are often not judged by the content of the arguments made by the candidates, but how the candidate comes across. Obama came across as dignified and presidential and McCain came across as condescending, stiff, and disrespectful. I've talked to various uncommitted (now committed) voters who were put off by McCain. He just came across as an ass.

 

McCain backs the bailout boondoggle, as a result I no longer have a candidate. I thought McCain came accross as aggressive and I though Obama handled that very well, but was unable to go on the offensive.

 

I think that sounds pretty accurate. That's how I saw it. I think it was alright for Obama not to go on the offensive since McCain made himself look bad on his own. Then again, he could have called him out more, so I agree. Also, this was supposed to be McCain's debate - foreign policy is his area of expertise. Although he repeatedly said "Senator Obama just doesn't understand" or "Senator Obama is naive", Senator Obama seemed very knowledgeable about foreign affairs. I think that line of attack against Senator Obama seemed empty to undecided voters who were really paying attention.

I find ironic all of these condescending talk, when Obama accused the other candidate of being too old and out of touch because he didn't know how to send an e-mail

 

I think that's different than belittling someone's supposed "knowledge" and it is different to do it in the context of a debate. I think you have to be more respectful in this kind of environment. Of all people, I'd expect you to agree with that. But I guess you agree only when it suits you.

I agree that Obama needed to go on the offensive more. Hopefully in the next debate.

You just don't want to accept the fact that you're candidate came off as condescending and stiff. These debates are often not judged by the content of the arguments made by the candidates, but how the candidate comes across. Obama came across as dignified and presidential and McCain came across as condescending, stiff, and disrespectful. I've talked to various uncommitted (now committed) voters who were put off by McCain. He just came across as an ass.

 

McCain backs the bailout boondoggle, as a result I no longer have a candidate. I thought McCain came accross as aggressive and I though Obama handled that very well, but was unable to go on the offensive.

 

I think that sounds pretty accurate. That's how I saw it. I think it was alright for Obama not to go on the offensive since McCain made himself look bad on his own. Then again, he could have called him out more, so I agree. Also, this was supposed to be McCain's debate - foreign policy is his area of expertise. Although he repeatedly said "Senator Obama just doesn't understand" or "Senator Obama is naive", Senator Obama seemed very knowledgeable about foreign affairs. I think that line of attack against Senator Obama seemed empty to undecided voters who were really paying attention.

 

Half of this debate was on the economy, and Obama is naive in the same way that many young well-intentioned leftists are naive.

But you don't say that in a debate. You let the viewer make that conclusion on his or her own.

 

Whenever I have an argument with someone over issues, I don't say, "no, you're wrong, you're just naive!" That shows weakness. You show naivete through the use of strong facts and arguments.